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And Then. . .
« on: September 04, 2018, 08:41:42 am »

Iím not suggesting this is a particularly good street shot, but it illustrates the difference between straight reportage and the unfortunately named ďstreetĒ genre. Had the vendor been working on his wares and the passer-by standing and looking at the display it would have been reportage Ė journalism. But with the interaction between the principals itís more than mere reportage. I realize some LuLa posters will laugh at the distinction, but then, there are those who laugh at the idea the earth is a spinning ball.

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 03:08:25 pm »

Well,

One: There is a street in it. That's good.
Two: It is on a flee market, That's good as well
Three: It is ManiŽrisme, Again good
Damn. It is a street Photo!

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oho, wait! It is not converted to Black and White. O No, Russ, You can't get away with this one. You obviously didn't study the Masters enough to understand color is a nono.



Just joking, Russ; Your point is?
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 03:42:27 pm »


Russ: Nice shot but do you need all that stuff on the right?

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 05:19:22 pm »

Probably not, Alan, but I'm not holding this up as a great street shot. I'm showing it so that people like Ivo might learn the difference between reportage and street.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2018, 12:20:35 am »

...lots to see in this picture. The overall scene is fun to look at.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2018, 01:37:34 am »

Probably not, Alan, but I'm not holding this up as a great street shot. I'm showing it so that people like Ivo might learn the difference between reportage and street.

There is no need to explain, Russ. Because I donít care about the difference. I care about good pictures to my taste. That is another line diametrically on yours.
You can save you the effort, letís talk about the quality not about the qualification.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2018, 09:26:52 am »

Right, Ivo. So if you have a landscape with high quality do you call it landscape or street? I like quality too, but if I go to a museum showing of street photography or buy a book on street photography I don't expect to see high-quality landscape shots in the show or in the book. It's really not that hard to understand. Unless you insist on refusing to understand it.

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2018, 09:34:23 am »

So for a photograph to be 'Street' it should show people interacting with each other? Hmm, I don't think that's going to work as a definition.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2018, 09:50:30 am »

I didn't, and wouldn't use that as a definition of street photography, Eiliot. Here's my definition: https://luminous-landscape.com/on-street-photography/ You need to expand your research before you come to unwarranted conclusions like that one.

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2018, 09:52:55 am »

There is a museum showing on street photography!?

Street photography is as popular, easy to understand, and accessible concept as the deep web.

It must be somewhere out there, granted, but I have yet to encounter it. Over the years, I have participated in a number of photo contests, not once their categories, sometimes going into a dozen different ones, contained ďstreet.Ē People, yes. Portrait, yes. Documentary, yes. Street? No.

It is a cult. Obscure and occult.

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2018, 10:09:45 am »

So, if I understand what youíre saying, Slobodan, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Andre Kertesz, Chim, Doisneau, Willy Ronis, Walker Evans, Elliott Erwitt, Mark Riboud, Garry Winogrand, Helen Levitt, and Robert Frank , among a multitude Iíve left out, are members of a cult, which is obscure and occult. To paraphrase Wellington: if you believe that, Slobodan, you will believe anything.

And yes, there have been museum showings of street photography. The National Gallery of Art, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, and the Metropolitan Museum of Art in 2009 and 2010 had a Robert Frank exhibit titled ďLooking In: Robert Frankís The Americans.Ē Which is street at its best. A few years ago here in Florida one of our nearby universities had a similar exhibit of Walker Evansís street work.

You need to get out more, Slobodan.


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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2018, 10:20:36 am »

Russ,

I donít buy books about street photography. Same as I donít buy books about renaissance. Nothing wrong with peoples who want to do so, but Iím not one of them.
I buy a book of an artist or photo books covering social topics or other topics catching my interest.

The only interest I have in genres and styles is in combination with historical, social and economic relation. This is probably the result of my extensive study of Bertrand Russellís literature when a was younger. 

Please understand for some photography is broader than the image itself and that there are peoples amongst myself that believe there is a much richer, more evolved, more mature way of expression in photography than the obsolete limited and if performed poorly utterly boring street style.
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2018, 10:23:11 am »

So, if I understand what youíre saying, Slobodan, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Andre Kertesz, Chim, Doisneau, Willy Ronis, Walker Evans, Elliott Erwitt, Mark Riboud, Garry Winogrand, Helen Levitt, and Robert Frank , among a multitude Iíve left out, are members of a cult, which is obscure and occult.

But none of them called themselves 'Street Photographers'.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2018, 10:48:17 am »

No Russ, those are simply photographers, and museums were showing their work as photographers, not as street photographers. I did not say they were cult members. I said that those who believe there is such a thing as street photography, especially those who use straitjacket, yet ambiguous and nebulous definitions of it, are like a cult.

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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2018, 11:34:00 am »

And so you'd say there's nothing like "landscape," and there's nothing like "portraiture," or "photojournalism?" It's just all photography? I'd certainly agree that it's all photography, but there's such a thing as genre. Genre helps us put things into categories so that when we buy a landscape book we don't find a bunch of street photography mixed in with the landscapes.

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2018, 11:34:57 am »

But none of them called themselves 'Street Photographers'.

Hi, Elliot, How about explaining what that has to do with anything.

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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2018, 11:42:56 am »

One of the moments a correct genre definition could be interesting is the moment you pay for a film on TV and want to be sure you got the real stuff.

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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2018, 11:45:42 am »

I buy a book of an artist or photo books covering social topics or other topics catching my interest.

Please explain what you think "social topics" means?

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2018, 11:46:42 am »

And so you'd say there's nothing like "landscape," and there's nothing like "portraiture," or "photojournalism?"...

No, those ARE genres that everyone understands what they are without having to read an essay on it (and still end up scratching one's head).

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2018, 11:49:12 am »

Really? Please explain what you understand these genres to be. "are."
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