Canon's new mirrorless system - announcement on September 4

[BernardLanguillier]

I like new shiny stuff more than I should as well I suppose.

Yes, same here...

Cheers,
Bernard

[Rado]

Canon have responded, skip to 10.30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5eyvSXXQ2s

 

Most excellent news. Now I really want to get this R body and dump my Sony.

Also thank you Bernard for posting useful stuff in and around these threads, I appreciate it.

[jeremyrh]

I may even buy one with the 35mm lens when available to see how well it works.

Added to a new Z7 kit? If your family finances work like mine, your wife must have one hell of a collection of new shoes and bags :-)

[BernardLanguillier]

Added to a new Z7 kit? If your family finances work like mine, your wife must have one hell of a collection of new shoes and bags :-)

It would appear I am managing this aspect a bit better...

Cheers,
Bernard

[jeremyrh]

It would appear I am managing this aspect a bit better...

Cheers,
Bernard

Any tips gratefully received :-)

[Alan Goldhammer]

Any tips gratefully received :-)

Always have separate checking and credit card accounts and don't ask how much the other one spends on clothes.  this has worked very well for my wife and I for the 38 years we have been married!!!!

[BernardLanguillier]

Always have separate checking and credit card accounts and don't ask how much the other one spends on clothes.  this has worked very well for my wife and I for the 38 years we have been married!!!!

We have very similar practices!

Plus I deliver many nice photographs of family events!

Cheers,
Bernard

[jeremyrh]

We have very similar practices!

Plus I deliver many nice photographs of family events!

Cheers,
Bernard

Well me too but my wife understands the significance of the arrival of new gold boxes and reacts accordingly  :-)

[Dan Wells]

Here's a fairer version of the Camerasize comparison - all three lenses are f4 (Canon and Sony 24-105mm f4, Nikon 24-70mm f4). The Nikon maintains a size and weight advantage, but it also loses the range from 70mm to 105mm.

[Chris Livsey]

Well me too but my wife understands the significance of the arrival of new gold boxes and reacts accordingly  :-)

You need a separate shipping location, unpacked lenses, to a none photographer, look very similar, just watch the number visible at one time 

[Chris Livsey]

Here's a fairer version of the Camerasize comparison - all three lenses are f4 (Canon and Sony 24-105mm f4, Nikon 24-70mm f4). The Nikon maintains a size and weight advantage, but it also loses the range from 70mm to 105mm.

Just for fun 
http://j.mp/2PKIbn3

If you don't like short links:

https://camerasize.com/compact/#724.681,799.788,794.784,213.277,ha,t

[BJL]

Nice comparation... but wouldn’t it be better... if you are comparing prices and weights doing it apple to apples... I don’t know... maybe using the price and weight of the Canon RF 24-105f4... and the Sony 24-70f4 Z or the 24-105G... at least they are all F4...

To me, both Canon and Nikon have reasonable options general purpose first "walkabout" lenses with the f/4 zooms and several normal to moderately wide primes. The exotic ones (50/0.95 and 28-70/2) are in large part to declare their serious intent for these systems in the longer run; they will serve the needs of some users, but only small fraction of all R and Z system users, I expect. And they both seem confident that adaptor-mounted SLR lenses will work just fine, with the latest developments of sensor-based AF.

[D White]

Lets face it, I think many of us hoped Canon would be bold for once. While the initial lens selection points to a commitment of a strong system, this body is just another measured response by Canon, doing just enough to get by. Some will disagree, but you can't really say that this is the best effort they could have pulled off. There may be more to come, but they would have made a much stronger impression if they had also released a full blown higher end unit. It would have given more confidence for people to commit. They are truly their own worst enemy.

[jeremyrh]

You need a separate shipping location, unpacked lenses, to a none photographer, look very similar, just watch the number visible at one time 

Bond, James Bond :-)

I guess what priompted my initial comment was surprise at the amount of money folk have available for their hobbies - are you guys all dentists? :-)

[chez]

Canon Technical Advisor Rudy Winston mentions it here and they show a very honest demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwwf9YWnSZI

As he says, really for static subjects. It appears to freeze the focal point when focus locks. So some subject movement on shutter release will not be a big issue as the depth will be correct and exposure locked too, subject to shutter speed of course. If it kept hunting to the point of shutter release it maybe more irritating, so I am glad it works that way...

I guess we will need to wait the next generation or pro models for faster eye tracking modes in continuous AF

I read on the Japanese site that while the sports focus is in larger blocks once it finds a subject the fine points are used for focus block movement automatically... Need to find out more about that, but it sounds very usable... I think the concern about too many focus points will be overcome for those that worry too much...

Looks like Canon will start to pull back users who bought Sony bodies...

Look forward to all the reviews...

Why would someone jump from their Sony system to Canon with a camera that costs more and delivers less than the Sony equivalent?

[chez]

Interesting, Canon rate the EOS R as having 40 times the AF processing power as the EOS 5D IV...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=795KC--r_cg

And yet can only squeak out a messily 3 fps in AF-C mode using focus priority.

[chez]

This is the one option that might compel me to purchase this camera. The 17 TS-E with a CPL behind it offers many opportunities.

There has been some talk on FM regarding affecting the edges of the image if you place glass between the lens and sensor for wide lenses. I'd hold off if you are basing your buying decision on this feature until it's been tested.

[D Fuller]

Here's a fairer version of the Camerasize comparison - all three lenses are f4 (Canon and Sony 24-105mm f4, Nikon 24-70mm f4). The Nikon maintains a size and weight advantage, but it also loses the range from 70mm to 105mm.

While this comparison is useful, I'm much more interested in a comparison that includes lens quality. I'm sick to death of mediocre "walk around" lenses.

[davidgp]

While this comparison is useful, I'm much more interested in a comparison that includes lens quality. I'm sick to death of mediocre "walk around" lenses.

I agree, we will have to wait for real testing next month for both new Canon and Nikon systems. I will love see MTF from Lens Rentals... but... poor Roger Cicala will need to sacrifice a Nikon Z and a Canon R camera to do so for his bench, with also a reverse engeneering from the mount to do so, if I understood correctly thow their system works.

[Bernard ODonovan]

Most excellent news. Now I really want to get this R body and dump my Sony.

Also thank you Bernard for posting useful stuff in and around these threads, I appreciate it.

Thank you...

For those that missed it, Canon defaults to shutter down when the camera is off to project the sensor from dust...

Another interesting spot at 4.57 onwards, Fro says they will not only do a firmware upgrade for continuous silent shooting, but will also add eye focus in continuous too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaL9VndFoQ

Fro also confirms the focus is ultra fast so the world record claim is noticeable when using the Camera...