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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2018, 08:07:28 am »

His attacks on HD serves a purpose.  It sends a message to other American companies thinking about moving their plants overseas while he's battling for lower foreign tariffs.  That message is : Don't think about it or I will savage you.  Hang tough and I'll get them to lower their tariffs so you can compete better in those countries.  But you have to be firm and patient.  Don't betray me or America.   

American companies will think twice about moving at this time.  They don;t want the President's ire. 

Trump is so concerned because HD sends a message to foreign countries that their tariffs are working.  That they can wait to settle because America will blink first.  They'll wait us out extending the battle and lessen the chance for successful negotiations if not an outright trade war. 

The fact it's Harley Davidson running for cover at the first fusillade is really embarrassing I have to say being a fan of them all my life.

As a conservative, aren't yon concerned with an elected official sticking their nose into the affairs of a private company? Should not governments set policy but remain neutral when it comes to individual companies. If the company decides that it is in the best interests of shareholders to move the company, is it ok for the government to step in, do you think?
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2018, 08:11:00 am »

Thanks for plugging my book, again. BTW, did you actually read my book or you just judge it by its cover?
You need much help in these parts, at least on topics involving color and reading a nozzle check, I am happy to mention your little work of fiction here. As for the book cover, not much Photographic quality to critique which isn’t surprising to me!  :o I told you, for fiction, King and Martin are my preference.
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2018, 08:38:58 am »

As a conservative, aren't yon concerned with an elected official sticking their nose into the affairs of a private company? Should not governments set policy but remain neutral when it comes to individual companies. If the company decides that it is in the best interests of shareholders to move the company, is it ok for the government to step in, do you think?

You make a good point.

However, appealing to that level (as in mindset) of voter almost always has to assume that they hate the boss, that he is ever out to exploit them, and that he is the natural enemy. In essence, classical, left-wing politics which, surprisingly, also appears to be working for the right as embodied in Mr T's credo. I say credo, but of course, I'm sure he doesn't give a fig about any of it - just about where it takes him on this particular merry-go-round he leaped aboard. Unfortunately, as with all fairground attractions, if they don't kill you first, all you reach at the end is the Exit.

Rob

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« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2018, 09:48:22 am »

As a conservative, aren't yon concerned with an elected official sticking their nose into the affairs of a private company?
Like Amazon? Where so many books on fiction and non fiction are sold, some here probably wouldn't use them after an elected official stuck his nose into that company, due to it's owner owning another company. Me, Amazon Prime, Amazon visa, but alas, not Harely Davidson, not a biker.


http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/04/news/companies/trump-companies-attacks/index.html
Amazon is not the first business to end up in the president's crosshairs.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314271-19-companies-that-trump-has-tweeted-about
19 companies that Trump has tweeted about

Trump Steaks anyone? VOMIT.
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2018, 10:39:01 am »

Indeed... other than setting back racial relations 50 years, treating ISIS as JV, weaponizing the browning of America, and ushering communism into the U.S., no, nothing else was that nightmarish ;)

Fair points, all.   Plus, who can forget Obama faking the moon landing, blowing up the Maine, coordinating with Hawaiian newspapers to fabricate his birth *from the womb* (which is even more amazing than faking the moon landing despite not even being born yet, IMHO), and, worst of all, kicking everyone's - and I do mean *everyone's* dog. 

The rest I can cope with, but you just don't kick dogs. Not even Digital ones.

Thank God we survived those eight years, and are back to some semblance of normalcy where, when you have neo-Nazis and counter protesters duking it out, there are good people on both sides!

 ;D

...and now off to post about photography and pay my penance.  Again. 
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2018, 10:43:41 am »

So maybe its time for a remake of 'Easy rider'

featuring Trump, Obama, and Hilary Clinton on HD

Here you go (ok, next best thing):

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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2018, 11:36:11 am »

Thanks for plugging my book, again. BTW, did you actually read my book or you just judge it by its cover?

At amazon.co.uk, sadly, it's out of stock, but it is at 6,544,382 in the books list, so I expect they'll be keen to acquire some more copies.

Jeremy
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« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2018, 11:40:24 am »

At amazon.co.uk, sadly, it's out of stock, but it is at 6,544,382 in the books list, so I expect they'll be keen to acquire some more copies.

Jeremy

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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2018, 11:43:45 am »

At amazon.co.uk, sadly, it's out of stock, but it is at 6,544,382 in the books list, so I expect they'll be keen to acquire some more copies.

Jeremy
Maybe Frans will send you a signed copy.
There's one book on color management, out of print for years that is listed 1,589,645 in that Book list, but alas, it's not a work of fiction.  ;D
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2018, 11:44:09 am »

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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2018, 12:48:44 pm »

Gents...  as sympatico as we may be politically, this is a bit too personal IMHO.  Criticize the content but mocking Frans’ place in the market seems a bit unkind to me. 
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2018, 12:49:22 pm »

At amazon.co.uk, sadly, it's out of stock, but it is at 6,544,382 in the books list, so I expect they'll be keen to acquire some more copies.

Jeremy
According to Amazon US, the book is self-published.  There is still some in stock over here.  Perhaps you need to alert the author that it is not available in the UK though more likely there never was much interest over there about President Obama's socialist doctrine.  It is factually correct that the book was published in the summer of 2011 according to Amazon and therefore would not have any information on the last five years of President Obama's term in office where the economy was exceptionally robust and the nation was not involved in any trade war.

EDIT:  James Clark posted just before I did about not attacking the author (which I have not done).  There is a long description of the book's chapters on the US Amazon site HERE for those who are interested.  I found it very interesting but not  enough to purchase a copy (sorry Frans).
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2018, 01:01:41 pm »

According to Amazon US, the book is self-published.  There is still some in stock over here.  Perhaps you need to alert the author that it is not available in the UK though more likely there never was much interest over there about President Obama's socialist doctrine.  It is factually correct that the book was published in the summer of 2011 according to Amazon and therefore would not have any information on the last five years of President Obama's term in office where the economy was exceptionally robust and the nation was not involved in any trade war.

EDIT:  James Clark posted just before I did about not attacking the author (which I have not done).  There is a long description of the book's chapters on the US Amazon site HERE for those who are interested.  I found it very interesting but not  enough to purchase a copy (sorry Frans).

Indeed you did not.  As you did, I read the chapter summaries and it’s clear that the content doesn’t really play well, generally speaking, with the eventual outcome of the Obama years.  I’m on a phone, so brevity rules the day. ;)
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2018, 01:03:08 pm »

Gents...  as sympatico as we may be politically, this is a bit too personal IMHO.  Criticize the content but mocking Frans’ place in the market seems a bit unkind to me. 

We seem to agree on something, James :)

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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2018, 01:07:33 pm »

Criticize the content but mocking Frans’ place in the market seems a bit unkind to me.
I saw it simply as a data point, but fair enough.
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2018, 01:10:40 pm »

We seem to agree on something, James :)

We’ve agreed before.  In fact, I think we share a common philosophy on things like expression and the (lack of) a right to not be offended.  Plus I’d say your photographic philosophy and style are as close to mine as anyone’s here is.   It just that you’re wrong about so many things political. ;)
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« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2018, 01:13:02 pm »

... It just that you’re wrong about so many things political. ;)

Funny, another area we agree on. I also think you’re wrong about so many things political :D

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« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2018, 01:16:02 pm »

Funny, another area we agree on. I also think you’re wrong about so many things political :D

heh.
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2018, 03:13:46 pm »

As a conservative, aren't yon concerned with an elected official sticking their nose into the affairs of a private company? Should not governments set policy but remain neutral when it comes to individual companies. If the company decides that it is in the best interests of shareholders to move the company, is it ok for the government to step in, do you think?

That's a great question. My conservative instinct is that government should stay out of business affairs.  For example, I'm not in favor of government playing favorites by having incentives and tax credits for solar companies or Tesla or things like the old oil depletion tax allowance for oil companies.  I also feel that government shouldn't get into the business of tariffs.  It restricts importing cheaper goods that raise our standard of living (if you have a job).  It's nice having cheap labor overseas.  Cameras are cheaper built overseas  On the other hand, if we can get foreign countries to lower their tariffs at least to match ours, that would be good for our companies to export and help jobs here.  If temporary tariffs could cause fairer and more even trade, something Trump is trying to do.  They should be dropped immediately afterwards.

Getting back to your question about business, generally I don't think the government should threaten American companies.  They should really leave business decisions to businesses.   Of course, Trump really can't go beyond a threat.  He has no way he can step in and stop them or impose penalties.  Nor should he.  So the question is should the President use the power of his office to set the tone of what business should do or not do.    Should presidents use the presidential pulpit to admonish  and persuade like all presidents do in all areas of national activity.   I'm not sure.  I do think that his purpose was to send a message to other American businesses and to foreigners in the middle of a trade struggle with them. HD announcement did weaken our bargaining position.  Liberals are always knocking business saying how greedy they are, how they aren't considerate of America and Americans.  So I'm surprised you object when Trump wants to embarrass HD so other companies don't move their business to Europe like HD.  Would you object if Obama made the complaint?


So I think my answer is that now, due to an economic trade war we're having, the President should use his bloody pulpit to rally the troops and embarrass cowards who would abandon the country while we are in a battle.  Beyond that, he ought to stay out of business.

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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2018, 03:18:02 pm »

That's a great question. My conservative instinct is that government should stay out of business affairs.  For example, I'm not in favor of government playing favorites by having incentives and tax credits for solar companies or Tesla or things like the old oil depletion tax allowance for oil companies. 
Wheat, Milk (farm), oil, exports, maybe coal?
From a report I found circa 2015:

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