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Poor Harley Davidson...
« on: June 26, 2018, 10:20:28 AM »

...or maybe not. Given our Dear Leader’s penchant for capricious fun, today’s criticism may be tomorrow’s return to approval. But Wall Street may yet throw up a fur ball at His Eminence’s dysfunctional preening.

And with both Melania and Ivanka as cheerleaders, all together now, “I really don’t care, do U?”

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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 10:48:15 AM »

But she really did make that blue outfit look good on her husband's big day.

:-)

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 11:27:13 AM »

The irony of it being HD to be among the first to "show the white flag" is nothing if not delightful.  8)
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2018, 11:42:33 AM »

The true irony is that Harley Davidson some years ago asked the government for tariffs against Japanese/European competitors and got them.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2018, 12:54:09 PM »

The true irony is that Harley Davidson some years ago asked the government for tariffs against Japanese/European competitors and got them.

Yes. And now that the American market for H-D 'cycles is shrinking, it needs to go overseas like other American companies have done. Setting up manufacturing facilities in other countries may be the only choice H-D has. It will be interesting to see how both H-D and Trump will work with the many Americans who support both.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2018, 04:06:56 PM »

Trump Threatens Harley Davidson

Just posting a link and will not comment or respond otherwise.
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2018, 04:12:59 PM »

That tendentious link is your "comment," Alan.

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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2018, 05:51:37 PM »

That tendentious link is your "comment," Alan.

The only real controversy is the way Trump abuses and name-calls and threatens and thinks that's an appropriate way to use his office.  The article was highly factual and reasonable.  You might feel it's left-leaning attacks on your favourite orange-haired son, but for any reasonable, neutral observer - it's a very reasonable and responsible piece of journalism.  This is who Trump is and how he acts - fact.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2018, 06:13:57 PM »

The only real controversy is the way Trump abuses and name-calls and threatens and thinks that's an appropriate way to use his office.  The article was highly factual and reasonable.  You might feel it's left-leaning attacks on your favourite orange-haired son, but for any reasonable, neutral observer - it's a very reasonable and responsible piece of journalism.  This is who Trump is and how he acts - fact.
Is this chastening of US companies by a US president to the pubic new (Alan?, Frans? Slobodan) and it's going to make American (companies and their employees) great again?
How about within a year and a half, 17 US companies?:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/04/news/companies/trump-companies-attacks/index.html

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2018, 06:55:48 PM »

I find this interesting because other than the cabal in the white house, is there anyone who thought that something good could come out of a trade war?
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2018, 07:01:27 PM »

The Jobs at Carrier that President Trump did not Save
Some nice B&W shots. Let's attempt to provide 2% photography to 98% political comments on a photography site 'dedicated' to photography. :'(
Didn't realize that Popular Mechanics was such a left leaning (fake news) publication! Or so I suspect we'll hear.  ::)
“Many of them voted for him. People heard what they needed to hear that day.”
Exactly what I posted from another 'left' (non WSJ) rag in the closed thread:
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2018, 07:03:53 PM »

The Jobs at Carrier that President Trump did not Save

So:

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...720 jobs saved is 480 jobs lost...

How do we look at that?  Glass half-full or half-empty? Do we look at the jobs saved that are 50% larger than those lost and say it is a success? Or we say, nah, 480 lost jobs, utter failure? Or something in between? 

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2018, 07:09:04 PM »

So:

How do we look at that?  Glass half-full or half-empty? Do we look at the jobs saved that are 50% larger than those lost and say it is a success? Or we say, nah, 480 lost jobs, utter failure? Or something in between?
We look at the promise and what in reality happened, and despite the promise, the ambiguity about those jobs not lost and WHY, going full circle to the quote about people hear what the needed to hear:
Pinpointing the precise number of jobs saved, and the number sent away, is difficult. You have to account for a shifting number of seasonal employees, different figures provided by members of the union, the limited numbers shared by Carrier, and the political motivations of politicians. The union says it had 1,200 members at the Carrier plant. Trump claims to have struck a deal that saved 1,100.


It's not difficult to make promises that are not kept, and see people support again when people hear what they want to hear.
How many jobs will Trump affect by his unnecessary trade war (which is EASY to win)?
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2018, 07:11:23 PM »

Isn't it funny how attempt to intervene always end up with counter-productive side effects?

Of course, we could argue that the decision of Trump to impose additional taxes is 180 degrees opposed to the very ideal of Republicans in favor or less state... but we knew this already didn't we? ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2018, 07:20:52 PM »

...Trump claims to have struck a deal that saved 1,100....

Ok, let me rephrase:

How do we look at a promise/claim that was 2/3rds fulfilled? As a promise not kept? As a lie? Or as a promise partially fulfilled? 2/3rds sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2018, 07:24:52 PM »

Ok, let me rephrase:

How do we look at a promise/claim that was 2/3rds fulfilled? As a promise not kept? As a lie? Or as a promise partially fulfilled? 2/3rds sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Seems we either accept what we wish to accept, hear what we want to hear, or we accept there isn’t a clear answer as indicated by the text I provided AND underlined. I don’t honestly know. But I know what I don’t know. I’m open to give credit if/when I know.
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Re: Poor Harley Davidson...
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2018, 07:31:58 PM »

As someone who was just two months ago laid off in Indiana, I have nothing but heartfelt sympathies for anyone who lost their jobs at Carrier (and elsewhere). Just wanted to make sure that it is not interpreted as if I am saying that 720 saved somehow diminishes the personal tragedies of the 480 lost.

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2018, 07:41:09 PM »

As someone who was just two months ago laid off in Indiana, I have nothing but heartfelt sympathies for anyone who lost their jobs at Carrier (and elsewhere).
I too have nothing but heartfelt sympathies for those as well. It’s basic compassion for our fellow man/women. I also have nothing but heartfelt sympathies for children separated from their parents.
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2018, 07:47:36 PM »

... I also have nothing but heartfelt sympathies for children separated from their parents.

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