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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #880 on: June 30, 2018, 03:06:51 pm »

We need someone tough? A guy who wimped out of service (which foot?) while continuing to slam true war hero’s (McCain and Mueller). He is pathetically not tough!
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« Reply #881 on: June 30, 2018, 03:13:50 pm »

Trump’s rich daddy didn’t loan him a million dollars? He’s how rich? No tax returns provided in how long? Sorry, difficulty in taking you too seriously again.
He's richer than me.

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« Reply #882 on: June 30, 2018, 03:25:50 pm »

I don't need to, I was just posting that one to give you an indication of how much debt is owned by the Chinese.  There are plenty of economists out there that have grave concerns about this concentration of debt.   China can manipulate the dollar so that it might fall and other countries could follow suit and sell their holdings.  If China reduces its buying at a time when the U.S. is increasing its supply of new Treasuries into the market, that could lead to a rout in the bond market.  Remember the current US tax "reform" is forcing the issuance of more debt.

I agree with you there.  If China and other countries don't buy, we'll either have to raise interest rates on them to get them to buy.  Or our Fed will print more money and give it to our banks to buy treasuries and support our deficits and debt.  That's why the Fed and Congress are so dangerous.  And us to.  The people.  We want more from our government than we're willing to be taxed.  So the Fed prints more.   

Of course, the Chinese will suffer too.  Printing lowers the value of our dollar.  So there people will work for less to provide us with all the great stuff we get from them, now even cheaper.  We suffer too.  Because inflation devalues the purchasing power of our dollar to buy things here and abroad.  It's a terrible cycle.  Our debt is going to create a crisis one day.  It will be make the last recession look like a walk in the park. 

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #883 on: June 30, 2018, 03:55:48 pm »

... sell their holdings...

Every selling transaction has a buying side.

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« Reply #884 on: June 30, 2018, 06:23:59 pm »

Climate or weather - none of them is cooling in Toronto.  Here is some compelling evidence:
Today, we had here 35C (43 with Humidex), that was warmer than in Egypt. And that's no fake news.
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« Reply #885 on: June 30, 2018, 07:30:52 pm »

Every selling transaction has a buying side.

Correct. And since the Chinese are no fools, they are unlikely to slaughter the goose that's laying their golden eggs. So what will happen is that when the loans expire, the USA will have to refinance their debts. That will devaluate the US$ (because more money will need to be 'printed' without adding real value), which is exactly what Trump wants, since a devalued US$ means a devalued debt.

In fact, I've already pointed that out soon after the 2016 elections.

The only thing is that the average Joe, Alan, or Slobodan, will pay for that with increased prices for all imported goods, like iPhones and batteries, and affordable Solar panels, and foods that don't grow in the USA, etc., etc., etc. So basically, you're (rhetorical you) screwing yourselves, bigtime. And the whole world is watching in amazement, how stupid can one be ...

And thinking that ripping up trade agreements will spur local US production by foreign companies, is too naive to be taken seriously. Who'd want to invest in an economy/market that will have no spending power, other than those top 1% in the fossil fuel, and other dinosaurs?

Does the current USA administration really think that the rest of the world doesn't see what's going on?
Nevermind, it's the citizens (AKA the sheeple) who are going to pay for it, not the swamp people in Washington.

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #886 on: June 30, 2018, 07:42:05 pm »



The only thing is that the average Joe, Alan, or Slobodan, will pay for that with increased prices for all imported goods, like iPhones and batteries, and affordable Solar panels, and foods that don't grow in the USA, etc., etc., etc. So basically, you're (rhetorical you) screwing yourselves, bigtime. And the whole world is watching in amazement, how stupid can one be ...
Right now almost all furniture, textiles, cookware, small appliances, car parts, and a bunch of other stuff comes from overseas.  It would be very difficult to recapture these industries here in the US.  Most of the US steel is manufactured in mini-mills and not the big integrated steel plants of yesteryear, though US Steel does manufacture here.  So what happens when the prices of all these things start to go up?  Who knows, a lot of the Trump supporters in the rust belt states still think those jobs are coming back.

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Nevermind, it's the citizens (AKA the sheeple) who are going to pay for it, not the swamp people in Washington.
It was falling down laughing funny yesterday when the President's economic advisor went on Fox Business news and said, "...to boldly claim that a growing federal budget deficit was declining — and then threw in a “rapidly” for good measure..."  As the Washington Post said, "There is no publicly available justification for this claim."  The Chairman of Economic Advisors, Kevin Hassett, once wrote a book (1999) explaining how the Dow was underpriced and would get to 36,000.  I'm still waiting for that to happen. 
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #887 on: June 30, 2018, 07:45:38 pm »

I think, Bart, that the world will redirect its investments from the futureless U.S. to the Dutch. More precisely, into swimming gear for the Dutch. You know, rising sea levels and such ...  ;)

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #888 on: June 30, 2018, 08:02:22 pm »

Ahmmm... about those computer models predicting future global warming:

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« Reply #889 on: June 30, 2018, 08:17:07 pm »

I think, Bart, that the world will redirect its investments from the futureless U.S. to the Dutch. More precisely, into swimming gear for the Dutch. You know, rising sea levels and such ...  ;)

Probably not swimming gear, but possibly (amongst many others) Water Management. In fact, our King Willem Alexander had to give up his chairmanship of the United Nations Secretary General's Advisory Board on Water and Sanitation (UNSGAB) in 1993 already, when he became our monarch.

So even (because of his politically independent status) the King of our tiny (in size) country has had a first hand education/experience in things that will matter in the future of (also other) nations. BTW, your current 'leader' knows about ..., remind me, besides making money for himself and his cronies?

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #890 on: June 30, 2018, 08:21:43 pm »

... Today, we had here 35C (43 with Humidex), that was warmer than in Egypt.

Ok, if it is a GLOBAL warming, why isn’t Miami sweltering in 104+ F (40+ C) heat then? As for Kairo, 100+ is nothing unusual, but Toronto is nowhere near that, let alone warmer.

Btw, are you getting your temperature from CNN? That would explain the fake news, as I can’t see anything remotely close to 35C.

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« Reply #891 on: June 30, 2018, 08:22:19 pm »

Ahmmm... about those computer models predicting future global warming:

If one believes this kind of "computer models", then one's even more naive than I thought. Which explains a lot ...

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« Reply #892 on: June 30, 2018, 08:24:37 pm »

If one believes this kind of "computer models", then one's even more naive than I thought...

That’s what we’ve been saying all along, Bart, glad we finally agree ;)

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« Reply #893 on: June 30, 2018, 08:33:55 pm »

Btw, are you getting your temperature from CNN? That would explain the fake news, as I can’t see anything remotely close to 35C.

Just out of curiosity, which reputable sources do you rely on?
My information about local affairs comes from the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI)

For foreign affairs, I'd have to rely on foreign sources, without detailed knowledge about their specific measurement circumstances. Apparently, you do have such detailed knowledge, or do you?

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #894 on: June 30, 2018, 08:37:05 pm »

That’s what we’ve been saying all along, Bart, glad we finally agree ;)

No need to be so harsh on your own judgment capability, really, it was clear enough without having to stress it.

Cheers,
Bart

P.S. Just to stipulate (given an apparent lack of judgement capability by some 'participants'), we do NOT agree. It may seem superfluous to manage expectations, but apparently it's necesssary.
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« Reply #895 on: June 30, 2018, 08:57:55 pm »

I'm kind of amazed that, after it has been explained to the deniers multiple times, they prefer to deny the obvious. The consensus is about the observations that global warming is man-made, and it's mainly caused by burning of fossil fuel (and land-use).

Whereas I am definitely amazed that those who are confident that man's CO2 emissions are the main cause of the current warming, and that such warming will be disastrous or catastrophic, do not appear to understand the basic principles of the scientific methodology, even though many of these people claim to be scientists.

Now I'm not so arrogant as to assume that I know better than most scientists working in the field of climatology. I have a reasonable explanation for their 'apparent' lack of understanding of these basic principles of repeated experimentation under controlled conditions; and that explanation is that the views of many of these scientists are being misrepresented by the political processes which, by their very nature, need expressions of confidence in whatever position the politicians are promoting, in order for action to be taken.

Now you could argue that despite the scientific uncertainty of the causes of the current slight warming period, it's better to exaggerate the certainty and create alarm, in order to motivate action. That argument possibly has some merit.

I'm very much aware that there are benefits to the development of alternative, additional, and renewable sources of energy. Energy sources are a basic requirement for all human activity in a modern society. The more energy sources, the better, and the more prosperous we become. I have no objection to research on more efficient methods of generating solar power, and more efficient methods of battery storage.

What I object to is lying to the public, and pretending that current extreme weather events are unprecedented.

By the way, your comment that 'the consensus is about the observations that global warming is man-made' suggests you are either confused about the scientific methodology or are just being political.

Whilst observations, of some sort, are always a necessary part of the scientific process, it is the interpretation of those observations that frequently varies. All scientific data has to be interpreted before it makes sense and can either support, cast doubt, or falsify an existing hypothesis or theory.

Interpretations of observations have frequently been proved wrong as science progresses. For millions of years it was observed, and continues to be observed, that the sun rises in the East, gradually moves across the sky, and sets in the West. A perfectly reasonable interpretation of that observation, in the absence of modern science, was that the sun is revolving around the Earth.

Even though we now understand it is the Earth that is revolving in relation to the Sun, the observation that the sun is revolving around the Earth can still be made. It is the interpretation of that observation which has changed, as science has progressed.
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #896 on: June 30, 2018, 09:16:30 pm »

Whereas I am definitely amazed that those who are confident that man's CO2 emissions are the main cause of the current warming, and that such warming will be disastrous or catastrophic, do not appear to understand the basic principles of the scientific methodology, even though many of these people claim to be scientists.

?????

How many strawman's arguments do some 'participants' need to make a silly/nonsensical point.

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« Reply #897 on: June 30, 2018, 09:25:29 pm »

Btw, are you getting your temperature from CNN? That would explain the fake news, as I can’t see anything remotely close to 35C.
Where did you get YOUR fake news? Look man:
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« Reply #898 on: June 30, 2018, 09:45:35 pm »

Ok, if it is a GLOBAL warming, why isn’t Miami sweltering in 104+ F (40+ C) heat then? As for Kairo, 100+ is nothing unusual, but Toronto is nowhere near that, let alone warmer.

Btw, are you getting your temperature from CNN? That would explain the fake news, as I can’t see anything remotely close to 35C.

Slobodan, the weather is one thing you shouldn't argue about with Canadians.  BTW, I get usually my weather forecast from www.theweathernetwork.com .
If you don't believe my unbiased reporting, here is a page with Toronto temperatures for the last 2 weeks.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/toronto/historic

Look at Saturday, June 30, 4 and 5pm - 35C (95F), feels like 45C (113F). Even now at 9:30pm, the outside temperature it's still over 30C (88F) - feels like 37C. Great for my tomato plants, but too hot for me.

Toronto Weather History for the Previous 24 Hours - Sat, Jun 30   

6:00 pm   33 °C   Partly sunny.   28 km/h   ↑   59%   101.32 kPa   24 km
5:00 pm   35 °C   Broken clouds.   26 km/h   ↑   53%   101.36 kPa   24 km
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« Reply #899 on: June 30, 2018, 09:51:05 pm »

Slobodan, the weather is one thing you shouldn't argue about with Canadians.  BTW, I get usually my weather forecast from www.theweathernetwork.com .
If you don't believe my unbiased reporting, here is a page with Toronto temperatures for the last 2 weeks.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/canada/toronto/historic

Look at Saturday, June 30, 4 and 5pm - 35C (95F), feels like 45C (113F). Even now at 9:30pm, the outside temperature it's still over 30C (88F) - feels like 37C. Great for my tomato plants, but too hot for me.

Toronto Weather History for the Previous 24 Hours - Sat, Jun 30   

6:00 pm   33 °C   Partly sunny.   28 km/h   ↑   59%   101.32 kPa   24 km
5:00 pm   35 °C   Broken clouds.   26 km/h   ↑   53%   101.36 kPa   24 km
Further, if anything looks fake, it's what Slobodan posted below. We're supposed to believe that flat line in temperature (78F) over the course of time running from approx. 2PM through 7PM? And he's got the balls to believe that's accurate and call anything else fake news? The data is pretty obviously truncated at 78F over that time period and Slobodan should be ashamed to provide it, not notice this and call other's data fake. Pathetic.

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