Global Cooling. The sky is falling.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... We're supposed to believe that flat line in temperature (78F) over the course of time running from approx. 2PM through 7PM? And he's got the balls to believe that's accurate and call anything else fake news? The data is pretty obviously truncated at 78F over that time period and Slobodan should be ashamed to provide it, not notice this and call other's data fake. Pathetic.

You are clutching at straws, apart from being personally insulting.

I provided my source as a screenshot. You are saying there is some conspiracy at Yahoo Weather (provider for the iPad weather app) to truncate Toronto temperatures? Seriously!?

[LesPalenik]

Andrew, thank you for the correction. You beat me to it with your previous post. I didn't take my temperature gauge outside during the day, but even in the evening it felt like the hottest day this year. Compare that with January 5 when the temperature dropped to -23C (it felt like -33C).

Slobodan, you are obviously listening to the wrong channel. If there is in the future a discrepancy between Yahoo News and local reporting by yours truly, ignore Yahoo and trust me.

[digitaldog]

You are clutching at straws, apart from being personally insulting.

I provided my source as a screenshot. You are saying there is some conspiracy at Yahoo Weather (provider for the iPad weather app) to truncate Toronto temperatures? Seriously!?

Your data is rubbish and truncated plus doesn’t correlate even closely with others data nor is it possible to believe outside a bubble of unreality that the temperature would stay at an identical temp for so many (FIVE) hours. You’re busted presenting obvious FAKE news and you should man up to it and your hypocrisy sir!
And you have the nerve to even suggest I'm clutching at straws.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

So, basically, for two loooong hours, Toronto airport reached 35C. Wow! Airports in summer have typically higher temperatures, given the vast horizontal expanses of concrete and asphalt. I hope Les doesn't live at the airport.

[digitaldog]

So, basically, for two loooong hours, Toronto airport reached 35C.

So basically for five hours, it was the identical temp your fake news shows? Give it up, you're busted and look ridiculous suggesting that's the case. Sad, very sad.

[LesPalenik]

So, basically, for two loooong hours, Toronto airport reached 35C. Wow! Airports in summer have typically higher temperatures, given the vast horizontal expanses of concrete and asphalt. I hope Les doesn't live at the airport.

If you look up my previously supplied link, you'll see it wasn't only for the airport, but for the city of Toronto. Without harping on the exact number of minutes, it was very hot for the entire day.   
I just checked the Miami weather. Right now, the temperature there is about the same in Toronto, but apparently they have now a major problem with sargassum see weeds and an unpleasant smell. Can you smell it?

Sargassum itself is not toxic, but once it washes ashore and begins to decay, it releases a strong, unpleasant odor, similar to rotten eggs. Truckloads of the stuff clogging beaches in Barbados, Guadaloupe, and Tobago forced officials to issue advisories to residents, while a major hotel in Antigua, The St. James Club, has had to close its doors until October 1. And it can be more than just a nuisance to beach goers. According to experts at the University of Miami, decaying mats tend to play host to biting insects like sea lice, while floating mats can trap floating debris.

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/us/news/articles/brown-seaweed-sargassum-blooms-invading-florida-caribbean-beaches-bad-smell-sargasso-sea/105518/

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

So basically for five hours, it was the identical temp your fake news shows? Give it up, you're busted and look ridiculous suggesting that's the case. Sad, very sad.

If you were paying attention, that chart was showing temperatures for tomorrow, Sunday, as the iPad app does not show past temperatures.

So, again, for two looooong hours it reached 35C. So? what is the whole month of June like? In only four days the temperature went above 30C.

The chart is from Weather.com.

[digitaldog]

If you were paying attention, that chart was showing temperatures for tomorrow, Sunday, as the iPad app does not show past temperatures.

So, again, for two looooong hours it reached 35C. So? what is the whole month of June like? In only four days the temperature went above 30C.

The chart is from Weather.com.

Anyone who would accept identical temps over 5 hours, during that time of day, even as a prediction is foolish. Further, the actual data I provided was measured TODAY! You’ve lost massive credibility in your last couple posts, stop while you’re utterly behind. Enough of your fake news!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

If you look up my previously supplied link, you'll see it wasn't only for the airport, but for the city of Toronto....

Sorry, Les, the link says "airport" at the top.

[digitaldog]

Sorry, Les, the link says "airport" at the top.

News flash, Toronto Airport just happens to be in Toronto. If you have as much difficulty reading a map as a weather report, I'm not sure anyone here can help you outside that unreality bubble you've proven exists today. And yes, I've actually been there too.

[digitaldog]

You are saying there is some conspiracy at Yahoo Weather (provider for the iPad weather app) to truncate Toronto temperatures? Seriously!?

Another rather hypocritical response in the form of a question after stating this:

Btw, are you getting your temperature from CNN? That would explain the fake news, as I can’t see anything remotely close to 35C.

Btw, are you getting your temperature from CNN Yahoo Weather? That would explain the fake news.
What comes around, goes around despite living inside the unreality bubble. 

[Ray]

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How many strawman's arguments do some 'participants' need to make a silly/nonsensical point.

Cheers,
bart

Probably as many as it takes until the recipient can clearly demonstrate why a particular argument is a straw man, and why the point in the argument is silly or nonsensical.

The most obvious example of a straw man argument, that immediately springs to mind, is the assertion by some people that those who are skeptical about the claimed role of CO2 in climate change, are Climate Change Deniers.

Nothing could be further from the truth. The most fundamental aspect of climate is that it's always changing. I've never met a climate change denier, but if I were to, I would assume that such a person knows nothing whatsoever about the history of climate on our planet.

[LesPalenik]

Sorry, Les, the link says "airport" at the top.

You are right, Slobodan, the link says Toronto Airport, I didn't notice that. I suspect that the airport is the (only) official spot for measuring the Toronto temperatures. As to the assumption that the airport has more concrete than other parts of the city that wouldn't hold truth, there is a lot of concrete (both in the horizontal and vertical directions) also in other parts of the city. Interestingly, nobody before raised this point.

Lake Ontario provides some cooling effect to the southern portion of the city close to the lake, but I bet most of Toronto experienced today the same high temperatures as the airport. The airport is in the northwest end. For the uninitiated, there is a city of Toronto and the so called Greater Toronto area (GTA), the most populous metropolitan area in Canada. It consists of the central city of Toronto and the four regional municipalities surrounding it. I live in the northern end of GTA, about 20 miles north of Lake Ontario and 30 miles from the airport. Next time, we'll get such a hot day, I'll measure the temperature in my backyard and compare it with the airport readings. That's if I won't head up to some lake up north.

BTW, I had problems posting my reply, kept getting error messages that the Luminous website couldn't be reached - possibly because the temperature was too hot.     

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

You are right, Slobodan, the link says Toronto Airport, I didn't notice that. I suspect that the airport is the (only) official spot for measuring the Toronto temperatures. As to the assumption that the airport has more concrete than other parts of the city that wouldn't hold truth, there is a lot of concrete (both in the horizontal and vertical directions) also in other parts of the city. Interestingly, nobody before raised this point... 

Les, I did not say “more concrete,” I said “vast expanses of horizontal concrete.” Vertical structures create shade. My observation about airport temperatures is based on my memory from various cities across the world I lived in, where the hottest temperature would often be measured at airports. For instance, this:

“The highest temperature ever recorded in the Chicago city limits is an unofficial 109 °F (43 °C) on July 24, 1934, at Midway Airport. The official reading of 105 °F (41 °C) for that day was taken at the University of Chicago campus near the shoreline off Lake Michigan.”

[Jeremy Roussak]

Fascinating as the topic might be, even for those of us who don't live in Ontario, I'm not entirely convinced that argumentum ad Toronto airport is any more useful than ad hominem, although of course the airport is unlikely to be offended.

Can we get back on what has passed for track in this discussion?

Jeremy

[LesPalenik]

OK, Jeremy, I won't pursue the actual temperatures at the Toronto airport, but will add that the dense and tall highrises in the city core make the downtowns hotter than the outlying areas. The concrete buildings retain the heat, and in addition they generate more heat by running their air-conditioning equipment and other electrical appliances.
 
Slobodan, in your example, the lower temperature at the University of Chicago campus (105F vs 109F at the airport) can be explained by its proximity to the lake which provides a definite cooling effect (especialy by a large and rather cold body of water such as Lake Michigan). The same thing happens near the Lake Ontario shore in Toronto, where the temperature is usually lower by several degrees than the midtown area.
   

The breezy dark corridors between a city's tallest buildings seem like shady respites from the blistering summer sun. But it turns out those shadowy urban canyons are actually making your city more hell-like.

https://gizmodo.com/why-tall-buildings-make-cities-hotter-1588242736

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Fair enough, Les.

And now, back to our usual programming and ad hominem (not Les).

[Alan Goldhammer]

Two articles of interest in Today's New York Times.  Heat wave in Great Britain and Ireland and a lack of rainfall is leading to localized drought.  It was the 2nd hottest and driest June on record.  Sure this might just be a one off and we won't know for sure for several more years if this is a trend or not.

Great Barrier Reef affected by increasing ocean temperatures.  Scientists from Australia are increasingly worried that higher ocean temperatures are causing bleaching and a loss of coral in the reef.  Large scale bleaching is occurring every six years now as opposed to the historically observed 27 years last century.

[Alan Klein]

Great Barrier Reef Has Bounced Back From Near Extinction Five Times in the Last 30,000 Years
http://www.newsweek.com/great-barrier-reef-coral-reef-extinction-survival-946890

[RSL]

. . .and we won't know for sure for several more years if this is a trend or not.

It's always a trend. The only question is: how long a trend will it be? Climate on the earth is like the stock market, Alan. It fluctuates.