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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #920 on: July 05, 2018, 08:19:08 am »

Two articles of interest in Today's New York Times.  Heat wave in Great Britain and Ireland and a lack of rainfall is leading to localized drought.  It was the 2nd hottest and driest June on record.  Sure this might just be a one off and we won't know for sure for several more years if this is a trend or not.

In Quebec, there were so far 17 heat-related deaths this summer.

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Montreal endured its sixth straight day of furnace-like temperatures as heat-related deaths across Quebec climbed to at least 17.

The base temperature in Montreal exceeded 31 C for the sixth day in a row on Wednesday, and it’s expected to rise to 35 C on Thursday – 46 C with the humidex, according to Environment Canada. (By comparison, the mercury didn’t rise above 30 C a single day in Montreal last summer).

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-death-toll-due-to-heat-wave-rises-in-quebec/
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« Reply #921 on: July 05, 2018, 08:26:11 am »

Climate in Europe is greatly effected by the warming Gulf Stream. Without this warm North Atlantic Drift, the UK and other places in Europe could be as cold as Canada - and up to 5 °C cooler.  It would mean the average December temperature in London would plummet to about 2°C.
There's some speculation that the Gulf Stream  being effected by climate change.  So that could be causing less rain.  Also, it would mean colder weather there not warmer.  So while global warming would occur elsewhere, the UK and northern Europe would be getting colder.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2569640/what-is-the-gulf-stream-where-is-it-how-does-it-affect-uk-weather-and-why-does-it-cause-heavy-snow/

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #922 on: July 05, 2018, 04:23:45 pm »

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #923 on: July 05, 2018, 08:29:01 pm »

If the warmer weather doesn't scare you, a new study linking the car pollution and diabetes may.

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It’s fairly well known that a bad diet, a lack of exercise, and genetics can all contribute to type 2 diabetes. But a new global study points to an additional, surprising culprit: the air pollution emitted by cars and trucks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/07/a-frightening-new-reason-to-worry-about-air-pollution/564428/
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #924 on: July 05, 2018, 09:45:27 pm »

If the warmer weather doesn't scare you, a new study linking the car pollution and diabetes may.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/07/a-frightening-new-reason-to-worry-about-air-pollution/564428/
You mean it's not the ice cream or chocolate cake?

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« Reply #925 on: July 05, 2018, 10:14:05 pm »

I came across this bit about earth's tilt.  How do we know that climate change, the claim of warming up, is not just part of the ice age/climate change/earth tilt rhythm? 
Ray?  Anyone?

"..The Earth’s axis of rotation is currently at an angle of 23.4º to the vertical, as measured with respect to the plane in which the planet orbits. The planet is slowly sitting up straighter; but once it reaches about 22.1º, in a bit more than 10,000 years or so, it will start to lean over again. Its obliquity nods up and down this way between 22.1º and 24.5º regularly every 41,000 years. The effect of this nodding on the planet’s seasons is one of the things which sets the rhythm of the ice ages..."

https://www.economist.com/the-world-if/2018/07/07/empty-sky-empty-earth

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« Reply #926 on: July 06, 2018, 04:12:58 am »

Two articles of interest in Today's New York Times.  Heat wave in Great Britain and Ireland and a lack of rainfall is leading to localized drought.  It was the 2nd hottest and driest June on record.  Sure this might just be a one off and we won't know for sure for several more years if this is a trend or not.

We had a similar, although more severe, heatwave in 1976. I remember it well, as I was taking my A-levels at the time and conditions in the examination hall were less than pleasant. There was a widespread drought, with water supplies to homes cut off and standpipes the only source. The government appointed a "minister for drought", who did a rain dance; within a short time half the country was flooded.

That was more than 40 years ago. Beware of confusing weather and climate.

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« Reply #927 on: July 06, 2018, 04:32:29 am »

We had a similar, although more severe, heatwave in 1976. I remember it well, as I was taking my A-levels at the time and conditions in the examination hall were less than pleasant. There was a widespread drought, with water supplies to homes cut off and standpipes the only source. The government appointed a "minister for drought", who did a rain dance; within a short time half the country was flooded.

That was more than 40 years ago. Beware of confusing weather and climate.

Jeremy

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« Reply #928 on: July 06, 2018, 08:28:36 am »

We need to get the rain dancers going at top speed in Colorado.
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #929 on: July 06, 2018, 08:36:19 am »

Climate in Europe is greatly effected by the warming Gulf Stream. Without this warm North Atlantic Drift, the UK and other places in Europe could be as cold as Canada - and up to 5 °C cooler.  It would mean the average December temperature in London would plummet to about 2°C.
There's some speculation that the Gulf Stream  being effected by climate change.

Hi Alan,

All explained, and then some, by this short video dating from 2010 (so nothing much new under the sun, other than things getting warmer on average): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmECHrOcFlc

Cheers,
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #930 on: July 06, 2018, 09:38:37 am »

Right, Bart. Is that the same science and research that was predicting a new ice age in the fifties?

Science isn't static.

"Is that the same science and research that stated the planets revolved around the earth in the 4th century BC?"
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #931 on: July 06, 2018, 09:40:10 am »

Science isn't static.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :o

I hope you meant that to be funny, Welly. And welcome to LuLa.
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #932 on: July 06, 2018, 09:42:30 am »

;D ;D ;D ;D :o

I hope you meant that to be funny, Welly. And welcome to LuLa.

A bit of both :) And thank you!
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #933 on: July 06, 2018, 11:45:37 am »

Hi Alan,

All explained, and then some, by this short video dating from 2010 (so nothing much new under the sun, other than things getting warmer on average): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmECHrOcFlc

Cheers,
Bart
Bart Not sure what your movie states-I didn't watch it.  But the video I linked to above and here again indicates that if it gets warmer generally in the world, the Gulf Stream will be disturbed enough so GB and lots of Europe will get colder because of the loss of the warming Gulf Stream effect.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2569640/what-is-the-gulf-stream-where-is-it-how-does-it-affect-uk-weather-and-why-does-it-cause-heavy-snow/

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #934 on: July 06, 2018, 11:48:41 am »

... How do we know that climate change, the claim of warming up, is not just part of the ice age/climate change/earth tilt rhythm? ...

Ask climatologists? Oh, yeah, I forgot; experts. I mean, what do they know?

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #935 on: July 06, 2018, 11:51:37 am »

Usually not all that much, Bill. A military definition of "expert" is: "a drip under pressure".
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #936 on: July 06, 2018, 12:59:05 pm »

Experts are the most dangerous. First, they know sh$t. Second, the public trusts them blindly. But, as a psychiatrist, Bill should already know that.

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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #937 on: July 06, 2018, 01:15:15 pm »

I came across this bit about earth's tilt.  How do we know that climate change, the claim of warming up, is not just part of the ice age/climate change/earth tilt rhythm? 
Ray?  Anyone?

Hi Alan,

It has been posted before, but since you're asking:
https://youtu.be/FBF6F4Bi6Sg?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&t=575

In addition, not only is the 'wobble' not the cause for the rapid (on the scale of geological events) increase of temperature, it's also not the strength of solar radiation itself that's causing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMmPtEt8dc&feature=youtu.be&t=274

To repeat, there are three main active drivers of temperature:
https://youtu.be/FBF6F4Bi6Sg?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&t=104

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #938 on: July 06, 2018, 01:21:42 pm »

Bart Not sure what your movie states-I didn't watch it.

It answers your question. But feel free t ignore it if you are not looking for answers.
I still recommend that you do watch it though, at your leisure.

Cheers,
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Re: Global Cooling. The sky is falling.
« Reply #939 on: July 07, 2018, 12:04:36 am »

Totally unexpected problems cropped up in UK. Serious shortage of CO2. Not enough good stuff for beer production. Carbon dioxide shortage lead to beer rationing in the UK.

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Booker, a major UK wholesaler owned by Tesco (TSCDY), has confirmed that it’s limiting customers such as bars and grocers to 10 cases of beer (300 cans) per brand a day, the most dramatic consequence to date of a shortage that also threatens food production across Europe.

https://citizentv.co.ke/lifestyle/carbon-dioxide-shortage-leads-beer-rationing-uk-205337/
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