Global Cooling. The sky is falling.

[Ray]

It seems many are straying off topic here and engaging in 'tit for tat' personal comments, so I'll post the following link which is directly on topic.

Published on June 29, 2018, 'The Coldest Place On Earth Is Even Colder Than Scientists Thought.'
https://principia-scientific.org/the-coldest-place-on-earth-is-even-colder-than-scientists-thought/

"Researchers discovered tiny valleys near the top of Antarctica’s ice sheet reach temperatures of nearly minus 100 degrees Celsius (minus 148 degrees Fahrenheit) in the winter.

The results could change scientists’ understanding of just how low temperatures can get at Earth’s surface, according to the researchers.

The coldest spot on Earth was found on the East Antarctic Plateau, a high snowy plateau in central Antarctica that encompasses the South Pole.

The record breaking temperatures occur occurred in small hollows 2 to 3 meters (6 to 9 feet) deep in the surface of the ice, on the southern side of high ridges on the plateau.

The record of minus 98 degrees Celsius is about as cold as it is possible to get at Earth’s surface, according to the researchers."

Hope this good news will help to alleviate the terrible stress that climate-change alarmists must be experiencing. 

[RSL]

World Bank Study on Climate Change Impact on South Asia:  Not Good News

I checked it out, Alan. It's the usual case of politics masquerading as science. Probably not time to go hide under the bed.

[digitaldog]

It seems many are straying off topic here and engaging in 'tit for tat' personal comments, so I'll post the following link which is directly on topic.

Published on June 29, 2018, 'The Coldest Place On Earth Is Even Colder Than Scientists Thought.'
https://principia-scientific.org/the-coldest-place-on-earth-is-even-colder-than-scientists-thought/

Hope this good news will help to alleviate the terrible stress that climate-change alarmists must be experiencing. 

Ah no. Finding a new colder place on Earth only provides new data and new thinking, it doesn't by itself, dismiss what the majority of scientists have discovered prior to this in terms of other areas INCREASING in warmth. The text seems clear: The results could change scientists’ understanding of just how low temperatures can get at Earth’s surface, according to the researchers.

[RSL]

But if we'd found a spot hotter than we expected it to be, that'd be proof of global warming. . . er, "climate change" since no "global" warming has been detected except in tendentious politically-motivated graphs.

[digitaldog]

But if we'd found a spot hotter than we expected it to be, that'd be proof of global warming. . . er, "climate change" since no "global" warming has been detected.

Again, no!. You don't seem to understand the scientific process very well sir*. Or what climate change is*. Climate change: the very two words indicates examining something more than one time and recording a difference over time. That's what the word "change" after the word climate is supposed to indicate to you. Like one hand clapping, one measurement of anything (color, temp, etc) doesn't tell you a lick about change. I don’t know if you are purposely trying not to understand this, or if you are really struggling with it.


*Hence, this isn't to be taken too seriously:

I checked it out, Alan. It's the usual case of politics masquerading as science.

[LesPalenik]

Canadian weather forecasters just found that hot spot. Tomorrow, temperatures in Toronto will reach 35C (95F). That's warmer than Miami or New Orleans.

[digitaldog]

If I hit their limit, their limit must have been 0. I think they realize I don't believe their stuff and am likely to shoot it down, so they're not gonna let me see it.

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

[RSL]

You don't seem to understand the scientific process very well sir*. Or what climate change is*.

Actually, I understand the scientific process quite well, Andrew. And I understand exactly what "climate change" is. It's what the left substituted for the term "global warming," as a scare term when it turned out there wasn't any.

[digitaldog]

Actually, I understand the scientific process quite well, Andrew. And I understand exactly what "climate change" is.

Your writings corrected here show otherwise. But like your inability to even attempt to read anything outside your bubble of confirmation bias, it is understandable that you'd ignore the corrections to your misunderstanding of how one measurement tells us nothing about change.
What is you do/did for a living?

[Jeremy Roussak]

Again, no!. You don't seem to understand the scientific process very well sir*. Or what climate change is*. Climate change: the very two words indicates examining something more than one time and recording a difference over time. That's what the word "change" after the word climate is supposed to indicate to you. Like one hand clapping, one measurement of anything (color, temp, etc) doesn't tell you a lick about change. I don’t know if you are purposely trying not to understand this, or if you are really struggling with it.

Andrew, you're being deliberately obtuse. Re-read Russ's post and see if the sarcasm is detectable.

Jeremy

[digitaldog]

Andrew, you're being deliberately obtuse. Re-read Russ's post and see if the sarcasm is detectable.

Jeremy

This? "But if we'd found a spot hotter than we expected it to be, that'd be proof of global warming. . . er, "climate change" since no "global" warming has been detected.

It isn't, sorry. That is of course just my personal opinion.

[RSL]

Duh!

[jeremyrh]

the left

Them again!!  Check your tinfoil hats everyone!!!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Russ, you need to read Andrew properly. What he is saying is that detecting the coldest spot on Earth, colder than anything and anywhere else measured before, is just another proof of Global Warming. You see, his hypotheses is that if we measured at the very same spot hundred or million years ago, we would have found that it was even colder

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Canadian weather forecasters just found that hot spot. Tomorrow, temperatures in Toronto will reach 35C (95F). That's warmer than Miami or New Orleans.

Fake news, my friend

[digitaldog]

Russ, you need to read Andrew properly. What he is saying is that detecting the coldest spot on Earth, colder than anything and anywhere else measured before, is just another proof of Global Warming.

You need to read Andrew properly, not metaphorically as you so often do. He never stated that whatsoever. What he stated is that the new data is just that and doesn't provide proof of Climate Change (Global Warming is a bogus term IMHO). It proves what it proves: a new low in measurement data produced.

You see, his hypotheses is that if we measured at the very same spot hundred or million years ago, we would have found that it was even colder

It isn't my hypotheses whatsoever and I never said it was. Your hypotheses above is entirely possible but no one could measure the same spot millions of years ago, so it is a rather silly and not thought out hypotheses. Seems several folks here do not understand the scientific process or how change is measured and reported.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... no one could measure the same spot millions of years ago, so it is a rather silly...

Bingo!

[digitaldog]

Bingo!

So you see how ridiculous your own hypotheses /comments are observed, that's progress. What you can't see is I didn't make any such comments, you did:

"You see, his my (Slobodan Blagojevic)hypotheses is that if we measured at the very same spot hundred or million years ago, we would have found that it was even colder"

[Alan Goldhammer]

For those interested there is a new policy on posting links in replies to posts here on the Coffee Corner.  I've tried to respond to factually incorrect posts over the last several days but have just been notified that a couple of my posts have been deleted.  I don't know how to deal with the problem of paywalls as almost every newspaper, including Russ's beloved Wall Street Journal, have them these days.  The only major paper I am aware of that has NO paywall is The Guardian and they rely on voluntary contributions to keep the site open to all. 

One of the deleted posts concerned "the coldest place on earth" that Ray posted.  The LINK which is free and should meet our moderator's criteria has some very carefully written caveats:

When the researchers first announced they had found the coldest temperatures on Earth five years ago, they determined that persistent clear skies and light winds are required for temperatures to dip this low.

The new study found not only are clear skies necessary, but the air must also be extremely dry, because water vapor traps some heat in the air.

The high elevation of the East Antarctic Plateau and its proximity to the South Pole give it the coldest climate of any region on Earth.


There is no extrapolation from this paper to Global Cooling or Global Heating, it is merely a scientific curiosity.

I will, of necessity, have to go back to posting on various threads when I see that there are incorrect posts that need correcting.  I will continue my position of not responding to personal comments directed towards me.

[RSL]

I will continue my position of not responding to personal comments directed towards me.

Which personal comments are those, Alan?