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Re: Trump II
« Reply #200 on: August 05, 2017, 05:50:25 pm »

You will be culturally assimilated says she.  No, you will be culturally conquered says they.




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Re: Trump II
« Reply #201 on: August 05, 2017, 09:37:05 pm »

If most illegal immigrants were Republicans, would Democrats support the Wall?  Would Republicans oppose it?


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #202 on: August 05, 2017, 10:14:20 pm »



Let my people go!




Let my people in!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #203 on: August 06, 2017, 12:33:13 am »


Speaking of vacations,  Bill and Hillary spotted on their way to Martha's Vineyard.  Lots of catching up to do.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #204 on: August 06, 2017, 11:19:30 am »

I suggest you attend a screening of "Dunkirk" to perhaps adjust your attitude towards the idea of "sweet revenge".
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #205 on: August 06, 2017, 05:19:43 pm »

The optics are terrible for a President who said he wants to clean up the Washington swamp.  First off, what a private company does is different than what a public tax supporting government agency does.  Second, the idea that the taxpayers should find a job for a spouse to increase the take-home pay for the diplomat just stinks regardless of the arguments you make.  There are already supplemental payments for serving overseas, danger pay (it's 35% extra serving in Kabul and Baghdad the two cities mentioned in the article) , size of family payments, etc.  That's similar to what the military overseas gets, actually less as combat pay is less than 35%.)    Why should the State Department be different.  Are we suppose to find a job for every spouse of every secretary or diplomat who works overseas?  Can you imagine what the New York Times would say if he continued that policy,  They'd claim he's betraying his supporters.  Well, of course we know anything he does they would come up with a way why he's bad so much do they want to destroy him.

I think this really comes down to keeping good employees with little cost, vs. hiring new employees that need training and vetting for a few months. 

If keeping the good employees means finding jobs for spouses while at the same time avoiding the cost of training, then why not?
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« Reply #206 on: August 06, 2017, 05:28:58 pm »

Sigh.  Talk about pulling a quote out of context.

I read the article in full as well, and although those quotes are out of context here, their meaning is changed little within the article.  The author clearly implies that because liberals have take such a hard line on immigration, refusing to even consent that appropriate restrictions may be good for the country, that that has contributed to the rise in anti-immigration sentiment from the right. 
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« Reply #207 on: August 06, 2017, 06:39:02 pm »

Joe, anyway you cut it, it smacks of nepotism and politically it has terrible optics.  If Trump continues this policy, you know the NY Times' next article will be headlined, "Trump and Tillerson Continue Nepotism in State Department - Reversing Promises Made to Supporters to Drain the Swamp".

Nay, that would be the Washington Post's next headline.  The NY Times probably would not even report on it.   ;D

Anyway you slice it though, it's good employee retention.  I always regret the first day using someone new, even though it is a necessary evil. 
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« Reply #208 on: August 06, 2017, 07:50:59 pm »

Yeah, I can see Trump's campaign slogan for 2020: "Keep Making America Great - I'm already trained.  And so are my children."

When I was a teacher I once had an administrator tell me that I should worry about being good, not about looking good. 
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« Reply #209 on: August 06, 2017, 09:20:32 pm »

Quite.  The problem is that the quotation out-of-context entirely misses Douthat's point.  It's like a short blurb yanked out of a review panning a movie that gives an impression quite the opposite of what the critic intended.

I would encourage anyone interested in current American conservative thinking to read more of Douthat's stuff.  I've never met the guy, and I certainly don't consider myself a conservative by any means, nor a liberal ("progressive"), for that matter—I'm skeptical of doctrine of any flavor—but I find many of his columns to be nuanced and quite provocative.  He is essentially a direct lineal descendant of the William F. Buckley line of libertarian Christian conservatism.  His writing seems to have quite a strong following among political intellectuals who otherwise would be considered to be left-wing.  Hence the interest in him by publications such as Mother Jones.

Alternatively, you could navigate over to the Breitbart site.  If so, may Ronald Reagan have mercy on your soul.

I'm not quite understanding you here.  Are you suggesting that since I have not read most of his work, I can not understand what he means by his quotes?  I am also failing to understand what you meant by "quite."  Did you agree with me only to throw more stuff back at me, or were you just being condescending?   

Unless you are ready to explain to me what I am missing, my points still stand.  His quote was very simple.  The far left has taken a stand that any immigration laws that restrict immigration are wrong, which is preposterous, and that has lead to the majority of the country wanting immigration reform to restrict immigration to a certain degree. 

It was pretty cut and dry, and nothing in his article counters this premise. 

By the way, I don't read Breitbart, and never will.  I pay attention to the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, and CNBC mostly. 
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« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2017, 08:25:47 am »

Yes.  I was agreeing that the quote accurately reflected Douthat's argument regarding the second obstacle to immigration reform. 

Thank you for the explanation.  I really had no idea what you meant with that response. 
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« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2017, 01:21:04 pm »

90%? Socialist?  You crack me up sometimes.

I tend to agree with you on this, 90% socialist is kind of a stretch.  90% for Clinton though was shown in a couple of studies, but that does not necessarily imply socialist. 

There was an interesting opinion piece on CNN a few weeks ago written by a pollster (wish I saved it).  He said all of the poll's on the election actually were right, they just were interpreted incorrectly by journalists.  They (media) only paid attention to the main figure of the percentages for, but ignored the margin of error and other ancillary, but important, items noted in the results. 

He blamed it on an overwhelmingly majority and blinding support of Clinton by the media, causing a bias and for them to ignore anything that disputed their opinions, and our country's seriously inapt ability in mathematics. 

I certainly agree with the second part of the theory, and the first would make sense as well. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #212 on: August 07, 2017, 07:56:38 pm »

Never mind the resurrection of coal miner jobs, or a tax reform, Trump acted pretty quickly where it counts most. He reduced substantially the fines for the financial industry.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/345606-financial-regulators-issue-fewer-fines-under-trump-report

Whether we like it or not, banking makes the world go round. 

Did you know banks create money?  Yes, lending and interest gained is what increases values and creates money. 

But anyway, I truly believe that congresses' overreach in 2009 with the financial industry is what is holding our economy back.  I don't agree with all deregulation (especially environmental), but I think Dodd-Frank did much more harm then good and these regulations need to stop. 
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« Reply #213 on: August 07, 2017, 08:49:15 pm »

Credit creation is the process you describe above.  It's not the interest gained, but in a closed system when you lend money, some of that money ends up being deposited again and then the banks can lend it again.  The credit creation ratio is important and the value of it forms part of the money in an economy.  By controlling capital adequacy ratios, governments can control credit creation (also through other means such as interest rates but that is indirect control).

Your second point isn't really right.  Currency is a part of broad money which includes other things of value in the economy such as bank deposits and other representations of value typically with a maturity not longer than 2 years.  There are numerous definitions of money to suit different needs, but they all include the notes and coins (cash) in the economy which is real money.  What that money is worth compared to other currencies or in terms of buy power changes such that just printing more money simply increase inflation (quantitative easing, as it has been know since the GFC, is literally the act of creating more cash and therefore more money in the economy and therefore reducing the value of the money - if money is less valuable you pay less for it - lower interest rates.  You also enable inflation to stop stagnation of an economy in a super low (or even negative) interest rate environment).

And, contrary to your view of over regulation, it was strong prudential controls that largely saw Australia avoid the GFC in the sense that we didn't go into recession because our major banks were financially sound.  Our last recessions ended in the September quarter of 1991 - just coming up on 26 years ago.  How you control and regulate your banks is a worthy discussion, but suggestions that you need to deregulate to help the economy is demonstrably false in the long term.  That doesn't mean you need excessive controls and regulations, but you need banks to be kept within a reasonable bound because they're not just "another business" - they're in fact the core of all business and financial activities and have a role beyond that of a simple commercial enterprise.

That is why I deleted my second part, but I never said that currency is not part of the money, or value, of a certain economy as you imply.  In my note, it certainly is along with other things such as interest earned and appreciation of investments.  If one decides to liquidate his investment, currency is what he will receive (or a deposit note) and that currency has value reflected in the economy.  I just merely stated that money and currency are not the same thing, which many people think. 

However I stand by my view that Dodd-Frank has caused more harm then good, along with other overreach.  Just like with anything, (our) congress has a tenancy to over-react. 

Since Dodd-Frank has been put into place, small banks are disappearing in the USA.  The reason is that Dodd-Frank is so massively complicated, you need a staff dedicated to just Dodd-Frank to make sure you are following it.  Small banks can't afford this, and so they sell out to larger banks. 

On top of that, our large banks have gotten larger since Dodd-Frank has been put in place, which I find to be rather funny since those whom voted for Dodd-Frank want smaller banks. 

Ahhh, the law of unintended consequences. 

A couple articles:

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/09/community-banks-dodd-frank-000197

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carriesheffield/2015/02/09/dodd-frank-is-killing-community-banks/#520b9ce73a72
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #214 on: August 07, 2017, 11:14:53 pm »


There are only two types of voters:  Those who want to keep money and those who want to take money.

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« Reply #215 on: August 08, 2017, 10:10:29 am »

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/345606-financial-regulators-issue-fewer-fines-under-trump-report
So it took Obama until 2016, 8 years after the crisis to actually fine a few banks. $1.6 billion is pennies on the dollar for what the Fed gave them back in free money. No one went to jail.   May I remind you, that the Fed re-imbursed all the banks by bailing them out.  So many would have gone bankrupt.  Not only were the bankers bailed out, but they were rewarded with more money than ever before making them bigger then ever before.  The bankers are richer after Obama's terms then they were back when Bush was President. 

So appreciative were the financiers and bankers for his hands off approach during his eight years, Obama was awarded after his presidency with a $400,000 for a speech he gave to Wall Street.  Just like Hillary.  What a pair!

It's that BS, the inside the Beltway to Wall Street, incestuous relationship that helped Trump in the election. His let's clean the swamp mantra worked as million of his voters understood they were screwed for 8 years while the usual suspects lined their pockets.

I watched the Fareed Zakaria special last night on why Trump won and why Clinton lost. 

He made an interesting point that when Bill Clinton came to power, he shifted the party demographic from working man to including the elite professionals too.  Then the party got drunk on Wall Street money and social justice causes from these elites, which is what turned the working class against them in 2016.  Also, by 2016 HRC was the antithesis of this; a well educated rich woman from a well to-do family that hung out with bankers and Wall-Streeters giving secret speeches. 

I think Fareed Zakaria got this, along with his other reasonings, right. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #216 on: August 08, 2017, 10:39:02 am »


Why Trump won.

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« Reply #217 on: August 08, 2017, 01:57:41 pm »

he only has the job @ CNN for diversity reasons, otherwise he is just dumb...

I disagree.  I find him to be rather thoughtful in his reporting. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #218 on: August 08, 2017, 02:58:46 pm »

Are these the same pollsters who told us Hillary was a shoo-in on election night?


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #219 on: August 08, 2017, 04:17:36 pm »

Get ready.  The Korean people will be reunified, Kim Jong-Un's nuclear regime will be destroyed, and China will annex land north of Pyongyang.   The deal has already been made.

And if not, time to stock up on them iodine tablets.

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