The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!

[Christopher]

4K motion, 3 year warranty, and 40% cheaper than the Phase One...

So we are at:

H6d 100 -> 34k -> 3 years
XF 100 -> 41k -> 5 years

I really don't see your 40%....

[Bo Dez]

Sorry only quoting Ming Thein - http://blog.mingthein.com/2016/04/07/hasselblad-h6d-announcement/

the H6D-50c has an European price of EUR 22,900, and the H6D-100c is EUR 28,900. (It’s worth noting that a) there’s a trade in program, b) the cameras have a three year warranty, and c) the 100MP version is some 40% cheaper than the Phase One equivalent.)

[PhotoKratky]

Wait so...can I buy one of these lenses and use it with my H5X for faster sync, or no?

Or can I upgrade my "old" lenses with the new shutter unit, and, if so, at what price?

[torger]

Anyone noticed that 645 "full-frame" gets smaller and smaller? This one is 53.4x40mm.

[jduncan]

Is it Phase One that has increased the prices, or Hasselblad that has lowered? Here in Sweden a H5D-50c body is €14k, so €23k for the H6D-50c didn't seem awfully cheap to me. On the other hand the H5D-60 was €31k, so the new high end H6D-100c seems cheaper at €29K, but kind of marginal.

Edit, got less lazy and looked at a price list: Phase One XF + 100MP seems to be about €39k here, so a 34% difference here, quite big but not huge. It's only €10k

It shall be interesting to see if they make a CFV-100c and what the price of that will be. The CFV-50c is currently €8K here (all prices without VAT).

Contrary to you, I hope they continue to sale the CFV-50c as it is, or with a minor improvements, like the new screen. The lenses are not up to the challenge (as far as I know), and the idea of the CFV-50c is for photography lovers and enthusiasts.  What we need is for the CFV to be inexpensive and continue to push money on Hasselblad's direction. Notice that for this people 100mp is a liability: big files.  Pro's have thunderbolt arrays or high speed shared storage.

They are investing money on the H system and that its great. Also if many millennials buy the CFV and fall in love with MF (including the viewfinder) they may buy a H or a PhaseOne in the future.

Down the road when the 100mp sensor is old, then  a new CFV could be introduced (because of the size of the sensor, not the resolution)
But as they say, this is subjective.

Best regards,

[douglevy]

Interesting:

The increase in maximum shutter speed is interesting. Some sophisticated electronic synchronisation plus improved shutter units allow 1/2000s with the new camera and new lenses, or 1/1000s with prior HxD cameras. (Note that existing lenses are still limited to 1/800s on all cameras, but can be sent in for the upgrade.)

http://blog.mingthein.com/2016/04/07/hasselblad-h6d-announcement/

[synn]

Is this USB tethered or still Firewire?

[torger]

Contrary to you, I hope they continue to sale the CFV-50c as it is, or with a minor improvements, like the new screen. The lenses are not up to the challenge (as far as I know)

I agree that it would not nice if they remove the €8K CFV-50c product and replace it with a €20k CFV-100c. Unfortunately the history tells us that there can only be one CFV back at a time, so indeed sounds like a good idea to stay on the 50 for awhile. If they do introduce a CFV-100c I hope they make it in parallel, or make it the only product for the reason it was before -- the price is so low that no other product fits below it.

But anyway, regarding the lens not being up to the challenge is because people are crazy about pixel peeping. When will people realize that aliased false-color jagged pixels are not the utmost example of image quality?
The V lenses render as great as they ever did, and with a larger sensor rendering aspects will improve regardless resolution, but yes they will be somewhat soft on peeping, especially in the corners.

Unfortunately the pixel peep sickness is so common in customers so you're still probably right, the V lenses aren't really sharp enough from a marketing perspective...

[torger]

Is this USB tethered or still Firewire?

USB3

[gss]

Do any of the radio flash triggers support 1/2000 sec sync?

I have tried Pocket Wizards and Elinchrom Skyports, and haven't had great success in syncing faster than 1/500 sec without losing some of the flash output.  I haven't tried Elinchrom's latest trigger which supports HSS, but it isn't clear from their site that the trigger even supports Hasselblads.

I'm fairly certain that Profoto's Air triggers will do a reasonable job with 1/1600 sec because otherwise Phase One owners would have been complaining, but does it require the trigger to be built in?  I don't think it does, but I have to ask.  Is the Profoto Air maxing out at slower than 1/1600, but doesn't miss enough of the flash output for people to notice?

How fast can Broncolor's RFS sync?

[Endeavour]

just out of curiosity, how much is 1/2000 needed in a studio environment?

[gss]

just out of curiosity, how much is 1/2000 needed in a studio environment?

Probably not much, but it would greatly help outside.

Edit:
Come to think of it, it could help in studio to freeze liquids if the flash durations aren't quick enough.  For instance, the Elinchrom 2400 Joule packs have a t0.1 of roughly 1/900 sec, which is close, but not quite fast enough to freeze liquids.  These packs don't improve flash duration when power is reduced.  In this case, the shutter speed of 1/2000 sec would help.  You'd lose flash output, but you'd get your shot.

[eronald]

I think the entry pricing is too high, because Pentax are at $10K, so even with a luxury premium Hassy should be at $16K. Which in fact was roughly where the 50c was, at least over in Sweden as Torger has pointed out.

Hassy is using a new pricing trick, call it reverse switch and bait - they have priced their entry level too high and the 100MP comparatively low. Which is reasonable as the only difference between the two is probably a different logic and sensor board, with identical manufacturing and quality control costs. I would expect a new 50MP chip that does video very quickly, and the prices of the present H6D50c to get slashed. AFTER all the existing H5D50c stock has been remaindered with "special offers".

Edmund

Is it Phase One that has increased the prices, or Hasselblad that has lowered? Here in Sweden a H5D-50c body is €14k, so €23k for the H6D-50c didn't seem awfully cheap to me. On the other hand the H5D-60 was €31k, so the new high end H6D-100c seems cheaper at €29K, but kind of marginal.

Edit, got less lazy and looked at a price list: Phase One XF + 100MP seems to be about €39k here, so a 34% difference here, quite big but not huge. It's only €10k

It shall be interesting to see if they make a CFV-100c and what the price of that will be. The CFV-50c is currently €8K here (all prices without VAT).

[douglevy]

GSS - I've been syncing at 1/800 with Skyports and my Elinchrom Rangers with no problem for 18+ months.

[Endeavour]

Probably not much, but it would greatly help outside.

Edit:
Come to think of it, it could help in studio to freeze liquids if the flash durations aren't quick enough.  For instance, the Elinchrom 2400 Joule packs have a t0.1 of roughly 1/900 sec, which is close, but not quite fast enough to freeze liquids.  These packs don't improve flash duration when power is reduced.  In this case, the shutter speed of 1/2000 sec would help.  You'd lose flash output, but you'd get your shot.

do people still photograph liquids? I thought that was pretty much all 3d now.

[eronald]

do people still photograph liquids? I thought that was pretty much all 3d now.

I always thought Elinchrom have a shorter duration at higher power. Silly me. Or maybe that was once upon a time. I thought this was what the guy who designed them had told me, I think, when I went to visit in Switzerland.

Edmund

[jvpictures]

Do any of the radio flash triggers support 1/2000 sec sync?

I have tried Pocket Wizards and Elinchrom Skyports, and haven't had great success in syncing faster than 1/500 sec without losing some of the flash output.  I haven't tried Elinchrom's latest trigger which supports HSS, but it isn't clear from their site that the trigger even supports Hasselblads.

I'm fairly certain that Profoto's Air triggers will do a reasonable job with 1/1600 sec because otherwise Phase One owners would have been complaining, but does it require the trigger to be built in?  I don't think it does, but I have to ask.  Is the Profoto Air maxing out at slower than 1/1600, but doesn't miss enough of the flash output for people to notice?

How fast can Broncolor's RFS sync?

I can fully sync up to 1/800 sec using a Broncolor Move mobil pack and the H5D triggered by RFS 2.1. In the datasheet Bron claims  a total transmission time of less than 1/1000 sec, thus a max X sync shutter is at least 1/1000 sec, probably faster...
But, at full energy output (1200 Ws) t0.1 is only 1/375 sec and thus a shutter of 1/1000 sec (or even 1/2000) will cut away much of the light output. I will check tonight what is the fastest t 0.1 at lower output levels to figure out the "break-even"-point of this popular mobile pack for output levels as a function of various shutter speeds for which the light emitting time is equal or slightly smaller than its X-sync and report here tomorrow.

[douglevy]

I always thought Elinchrom have a shorter duration at high power. Silly me. Or maybe that was once upon a time. I thought this was what the guy who designed them had told me, I think, when I went to visit in Switzerland.

Edmund

I believe the Ranger packs do.

[jvpictures]

just because of the orange - golden shutter button I want one of these!

Or do you think a can swap this button on my current H5 ? 

[Endeavour]

just because of the orange - golden shutter button I want one of these!

Or do you think a can swap this button on my current H5 ?