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As Nick-T promised, the perfume of fresh PR is in the air.  I will update here as details get posted.

HERE IS THE SPEC SHEET, and the US PRICING PAGE WITH TRADEINS
http://static.hasselblad.com/2016/03/datasheet_EN.pdf
http://www.hasselblad.com/us/products/h6d-trade-in-program/

This is not just a back sensor drop-in and firmware update, there are some markedly useful improvements for studio shooters.
 
The 100MP camera does internal 4K raw video with a clean HDMI out, and flash sync is improved to 1/2000s (new lenses). Also, any H6 body seems to be a xenophile X. Tethering is USB 3 Type C. SD and CFAST card slots (NOT CF). Max shutter duration at 1hour.

Pricing is at E23K and E29K. The days when the Hassy high end was premium-priced seem over. Maybe because Hassy hopes to sell bodies as well as backs. It remains to be seen whether the old Hassy backs work on the new bodies.

My gut feeling is that this is a solid update, and will be better received than the XF among the working photographers and hoi polloi. But, the devil will be in the details - screen quality, usability, back software, tethering robustness, wifi and tablet control, the  video codecs and outputs etc. Raw video might be a huge thing, fashion shooters might choose to do videos and extract frames. The video features now seem superfluous, but might turn it it into the 5D2 of the medium format world.  Anyway, the H6D does look like a nicely styled camera, but in the end  it's a computer with a hole in the case, and a handle on the side. Is this one going to be a Mac or a PC?


Re. pricing, These *are* working cameras, and cheaper than Phase One. But for me the entry pricing seems high with Pentax at $10K on launch. Even with a luxury premium Hassy should be at $16K. Which in fact was roughly where the 50c was, at least over in Sweden as Torger has pointed out. I think Hassy would be smarter duking it out with Pentax at a 40-60% premium at most; in the current economic climate there is a limit to what "normal" customers are willing to pay, once the millionaire hobbyists have been served. 10x the price of the A7R2 is not exactly the right pricepoint for a 50MP camera.

Hassy is using a new pricing trick, call it reverse switch and bait - they have priced their entry level too high and the 100MP comparatively low. The only difference between the two is probably a different logic and sensor board, with identical manufacturing and quality control costs. I would expect a new 50MP chip that does video very quickly, and the prices of the present H6D50c to get slashed. AFTER all the existing H5D50c stock has been remaindered with "special offers".

What will the future bring? Phase and Hassy may decide to go mirrorless, the tech is ready. They could also try and sell some of the first 8K video cameras. Or capture devices that can record 100MP in raw for a few seconds at a time - ultra high-rez video cameras in opposition to  existing ultra high-speed video cameras. The ongoing collaboration -or supply agreement- with Sony opens many doors.

Edmund



Official links
http://www.hasselblad.com/medium-format/h6d-100c
http://www.hasselblad.com/medium-format/h6d-50c
http://www.hasselblad.com/h6d

Previews
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/100-megapixel-hasselblad-h6d-100c-announced-29160
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/perry-oosting-on-the-hasselblad-h6d-29166
https://youtu.be/ZGG8f4H3pps

Here are various random links. I'll update the list here as time goes by.
http://www.thevideomode.com/equipment/hasselblad-h6d-captures-4k-video-2320/
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/hasselblad-h6d-video-4k-datos-precios_14305
http://www.digineff.cz/clanek/aktuality/hasselblad-h6d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGG8f4H3pps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGjcctLHf8


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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 07:44:32 am »

So do we need new lenses or not for the 1/2000th?

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Updated H Series Lenses

To take full advantage of the H6Ds new features, we have also updated our entire range of H series lenses and incorporated a new shutter unit with an extended lifespan and an increased top shutter speed of 1/2000th second, when used with an H6D camera. And of course, having a leaf shutter means that flash sync at all speeds is still possible.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2016, 07:46:36 am »

So do we need new lenses or not for the 1/2000th?

Not sure yet ...you tell me. We're at the point where rumor is turning into fact.

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2016, 07:48:51 am »

Well I thuoght perhaps there was more informaton in the article you posted. Google translation was a little rough ;)
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2016, 07:58:41 am »

100MP FF645
64-12800
500MB/s 4K motion
1/2000 flash sync

It's a significant upgrade and I think the 4K video in itself is going to be very interesting - it was the critical thing missing from the Phase One.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2016, 08:00:20 am »

In the photos posted, all lenses seem to have a tiny orange dot near the focus scale. Maybe this denotes the new shutter series?

EDIT: Yes, they updated them.

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To take full advantage of the H6Ds new features, we have also updated our entire range of H series lenses and incorporated a new shutter unit with an extended lifespan and an increased top shutter speed of 1/2000th second, when used with an H6D camera. And of course, having a leaf shutter means that flash sync at all speeds is still possible.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2016, 08:01:27 am »

100MP FF645 with 64-12800 and 500MB/s 4K motion is a significant upgrade from anything Hasselblad has. I think the 4K video in itself is going to be very interesting and it was the critical thing missing from the Phase One.

Are you sure that's not 500Mbps?bits rather than bytes?  500MB/s sounds desirable but improbable ...

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2016, 08:19:26 am »

Love the double memory card slot, an amazing omisson on the XF. :)

On the other hand still no camera shutter so no way to go faster than 1/2000s. :(

Cheers,
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2016, 08:25:03 am »

Love the double memory card slot, an amazing omisson on the XF. :)

On the other hand still no camera shutter so no way to go faster than 1/2000s. :(

Cheers,
Bernard

Well for Phase it wsas clear, they still have way to many IQ cases and need to use them up before changing anything. I bet a dual card slot and a good HDMI output will come with the next revision.

To Hassi I can only say sad. that it wasn't changed. Especially if you put so much into a new camera.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2016, 08:34:09 am »

Well for Phase it wsas clear, they still have way to many IQ cases and need to use them up before changing anything. I bet a dual card slot and a good HDMI output will come with the next revision.

To Hassi I can only say sad. that it wasn't changed. Especially if you put so much into a new camera.

Maybe they are hoping for a fast electronic shutter in a future chip.

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 08:44:32 am »

As Nick-T promised, the perfume of fresh PR is in the air.
This is not just a back sensor drop-in and firmware update, there are some markedly useful improvements for studio shooters.

The 100MP camera does 4K, and flash sync is improved (new lenses). Also, any H6 body seems to be a xenophile X. I think the tethering has been updated as well. SD and CF slots.

Pricing is at E23K and E29K. The days when the high end was premium-priced seem over. Maybe because Hassy hopes to sell bodies as well as backs. It remains to be seen whether the old Hassy backs work on the new bodies.

My feeling is that this is a solid update, and will be better received than the XF among the working photographers and hoi polloi. But, the devil will be in the details - screen quality, usability, back software, tethering robustness, wifi and tablet control, the  video outputs etc. It does look like a camera, but in the end  it's a computer with a hole in the case, and a handle on the side. Is this going to be a Mac or a PC?

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/100-megapixel-hasselblad-h6d-100c-announced-29160
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/perry-oosting-on-the-hasselblad-h6d-29166
https://youtu.be/ZGG8f4H3pps


As I write these official links are down, at least from my comp. You can click on them anyway and hope that Hassy has now realised they have flubbed their web launch.
http://www.hasselblad.com/medium-format/h6d-100c
http://www.hasselblad.com/medium-format/h6d-50c
http://www.hasselblad.com/h6d



Here are various links. I'll update the list here as time goes by.

http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/hasselblad-h6d-video-4k-datos-precios_14305
http://www.digineff.cz/clanek/aktuality/hasselblad-h6d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGG8f4H3pps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGjcctLHf8


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Hi,

I need to clarify something very important.
The card is CFAST not compact flash. CFAST is not compatible with CF.
It is a great decision, because of the speed and future proofing. Since I have a Nikon I will have preferred XQD. XQD is as fast and use less space.
But most people shoots Canon, and Canon is CFAST.
That is what allows the H6D-100C to have such a good performance.
Just as I told the people: Carl Taylor was not playing around.


Note If you like, you can  add this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3LzIhR8-mA&nohtml5=False
It's a little on the infomercial side, and long, but it confirms that the new shutter is needed for  1/2000 s
Best regards,
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2016, 08:44:39 am »

Wait so...can I buy one of these lenses and use it with my H5X for faster sync, or no?

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2016, 08:51:53 am »

Wait so...can I buy one of these lenses and use it with my H5X for faster sync, or no?
No.  Requires an H6D.

"To take full advantage of the H6Ds new features, we have also updated our entire range of H series lenses and incorporated a new shutter unit with an extended lifespan and an increased top shutter speed of 1/2000th second, when used with an H6D camera." - http://www.hasselblad.com/medium-format/h6d-100c
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2016, 09:03:43 am »

No.  Requires an H6D.


That was my 2 minute dream.... :(
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2016, 09:10:52 am »


That was my 2 minute dream.... :(

I would guess that a firmware update for the H5D could allow this.  Maybe Hasselblad will show some love in the future.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2016, 09:13:26 am »

Just because I'm lazy and don't have a fresh view on pricing -- can someone provide us with a price comparison to a corresponding Phase One system? Is there really a change in pricing policy, or is pricing at the level they usually are?
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2016, 09:14:06 am »

4K motion, 3 year warranty, and 40% cheaper than the Phase One...
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2016, 09:17:08 am »


That was my 2 minute dream.... :(

Maybe half a dream?

"if you have the older lenses, then you'll get a boost in shutter speed from 1/800 to 1/1000s. They are all compatible with the 100mp sensor."

From; https://www.ephotozine.com/article/perry-oosting-on-the-hasselblad-h6d-29166
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2016, 09:19:43 am »

4K motion, 3 year warranty, and 40% cheaper than the Phase One...

Is it Phase One that has increased the prices, or Hasselblad that has lowered? Here in Sweden a H5D-50c body is 14k, so 23k for the H6D-50c didn't seem awfully cheap to me. On the other hand the H5D-60 was 31k, so the new high end H6D-100c seems cheaper at 29K, but kind of marginal.

Edit, got less lazy and looked at a price list: Phase One XF + 100MP seems to be about 39k here, so a 34% difference here, quite big but not huge. It's only 10k ;)

It shall be interesting to see if they make a CFV-100c and what the price of that will be. The CFV-50c is currently 8K here (all prices without VAT).
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