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holyhikaru

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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2015, 03:46:16 pm »

After seeing the specification, here are my thoughts

- Form factor: The camera itself is NOT small. Some website wrote this "The SL is one of the largest mirrorless cameras yet made". Plus, the zoom kit lens is VERY big.
- 24 MP: I think it is time to move on from this number.

At first when I saw the rumor I was thinking about cancel my preorder on S 007 and grab this one, but I change my mind after seeing the specification. I feel my Sony A7rII + M lens + Otus lens can do better than SL 601. I don't care about autofocus because I always do manual focus.

Only interesting thing I found from today announcement is Noctilux 50/f1 lens.

PS. This camera would be fantastic camera if they announced it 1 year ago before the world learn about Sony A7rII.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2015, 03:48:21 pm »

I like how using "will" instead of "might" automatically turns pipe dreams into reality!


That's because you still use Nikkor lenses with your Nikons...  ;)  ;D  :P
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2015, 04:27:08 pm »

Surely it should take the wife and kids out, and leave you free for a night in with the babysitter (early 20s, long, long legs, curves etc).

You're worse than a Phase dealer - you must be either a divorce lawyer or a VD specialist ;)

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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2015, 05:34:55 pm »

I believe that many people have the wrong idea about Leica... IMO, Leica traditionally aims to offer the best IQ possible out of any manufacturer

It has been a long time since a Leica offered better IQ than the top pro cameras in the same class. With Leica now, it is a case of constantly too little too late but since they are luxury items rather than workhorse cameras this seems to be OK for the people that buy them.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2015, 06:10:21 pm »

More toys for old rich people who still think about Cartier-Bresson. I think they should make a platinum model that gives you massages.

Sony A7 is a very durable exceptionally well made device and probably about the price of Leica lens cap. My Nikon D800 is made very well too, and with a small ergonomic body. With either of these cameras, at a really fair and sellable price, you can put excellent glass on them and you have an excellent camera for just about any purpose. By the time they wear out we will be shooting 200 mp cameras, or at the very least 100 mp. and all of this stuff Leica is selling now will look like an iPhone 3c.

john



It has been a long time since a Leica offered better IQ than the top pro cameras in the same class. With Leica now, it is a case of constantly too little too late but since they are luxury items rather than workhorse cameras this seems to be OK for the people that buy them.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2015, 06:30:28 pm »

Thom Hogan "weighs" in:  http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/leica-makes-third-mirrorles.html   "At nearly five pounds with the zoom lens, this is not a casual camera, to be sure, and is running totally against trend."  My neck hurts from just reading that sentence.

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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2015, 06:34:54 pm »

More toys for old rich people who still think about Cartier-Bresson. I think they should make a platinum model that gives you massages.

Sony A7 is a very durable exceptionally well made device and probably about the price of Leica lens cap. My Nikon D800 is made very well too, and with a small ergonomic body. With either of these cameras, at a really fair and sellable price, you can put excellent glass on them and you have an excellent camera for just about any purpose. By the time they wear out we will be shooting 200 mp cameras, or at the very least 100 mp. and all of this stuff Leica is selling now will look like an iPhone 3c.

john

I really would love to see a vote on how many people want to shoot with 100 or 200mp... I'm really curious... Personally, I use my DF far more than my D800E...
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2015, 06:50:29 pm »

Leica have just smashed it out of the park. It's the future and I want it.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2015, 07:41:28 pm »

They have just priced themselves out of the market. If they want to survive they need to do what Zeiss does, make great lenses for everybody.





Leica have just smashed it out of the park. It's the future and I want it.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2015, 08:06:20 pm »

Ming Thein has a review up. Not nearly as negative as you guys. Fast and responsive with some quirks. Ok battery life. Good EVF.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2015, 09:07:51 pm »

Ming Thein has a review up. Not nearly as negative as you guys. Fast and responsive with some quirks. Ok battery life. Good EVF.

What does it offer that no-one else does, for a third the price?
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2015, 09:40:19 pm »

Maybe that responsiveness gives it a certain usability. Not sluggish and cumbersome. Maybe its fun to use what do I know. I can never afford one anyway :-)
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2015, 10:48:25 pm »

The Leica T ($1600) is a rear-screen only ("viewfinder-free") model, comparable (apart from Leica magic and its older 16MP sensor) to the entry level Sony a5100, currently about US$400.  With Sony (and more generally) the price gap from such "viewfinder-less" models and the cheapest 36x24mm format models us often a factor of four or five.
By that reasoning, the SL should be priced at $6400-$8000.

. . . it is very sensible that this should be at a significantly lesser cost than the M...
By that reasoning, the SL should cost significanly less thsn $6,400.

In fact:
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The Leica SL Typ 601 will be available from November 16th for $7,450 body-only. The Leica Vario Elmarit-SL 24-90mm F2.8-4 ASPH will cost $4,950.
-- http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0655212186/leica-introduces-sl-type-601-full-frame-mirrorless-camera
So sales of the Sony A7 series are probably safe.

P. S. The EVF resolution is fairly impressive: 4.4million dots probably means SXGA+: 1400x1050 (multiply by three colors to get the "dot count" of 4,410,000).
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2015, 11:13:33 pm »

Ming Thein has a review up. Not nearly as negative as you guys. Fast and responsive with some quirks. Ok battery life. Good EVF.
Most of the negativity here is about price, weight, and limited lens selection (particularly prime lenses).  Does Ming Thein refute any of those?

The EVF is promising, but are we talking about a $4000 markup for a better EVF than Sony offers?!
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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2015, 12:45:00 am »

Hi,

DPReviews shows their standard studio shot, see attachments below. The zoom lens used may be very good, but the corners are not really great. The other cameras I checked were tested with primes.

High ISO performance seems to be state of the art.

Best regards
Erik
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2015, 04:05:05 am »

Most of the negativity here is about price, weight, and limited lens selection (particularly prime lenses).  Does Ming Thein refute any of those?

The EVF is promising, but are we talking about a $4000 markup for a better EVF than Sony offers?!

We need to wait and see how sales go. It is interesting to see how Leica fares once they step out of the M line and go into cameras that others also do. Leica basically have the monopoly of the digital and analogue RF, and that is what gives them their fame, and rightly so.

But once they step out of that zone, inevitably they are compared to other MILC brands and systems, and their value proposition suffers...

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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2015, 05:17:54 am »

What does it offer that no-one else does, for a third the price?

Good question... The answer to it is really complex, it depends on the kind of use that one has in mind... For people that want a camera to do what they would also do with a Sony, it's not much that this Leica could provide them... But don't forget that Leica promotes this as a PRO camera... And if one things about it, it could provide a lot to pros...

1. A platform that would give them access to their ultra high quality leaf shutter lenses...
2. A high quality motion camera with the same very lenses
3. An alternative to an MFDB on a mini view camera that would have total electronic communication with (again) the same lenses (expect a new Sinar mini view camera -the size of an Actus- soon...

Think about it... A pro would only require 4-5 lenses and then an S, this and a mini view camera and perform all tasks they would ever perform (studio, still with movements, video, architecture, high speed strobe use, events, art ...you name it) yet with minimal equipment, maximum of performance and all bought from the same company.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2015, 05:44:59 am »

?

An adapter with full compatibility with the S lenses has been announced... (that means access to the Hassalblad H lenses, the C645 lenses and the HTS 1.5x too...) ...expect Hassy-H leaf shutter to work too...
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2015, 06:56:48 am »

An adapter with full compatibility with the S lenses has been announced... (that means access to the Hassalblad H lenses, the C645 lenses and the HTS 1.5x too...) ...expect Hassy-H leaf shutter to work too...

I like your thinking, and was also hoping for a central shutter switching the SL, like the the S, but I'm not sure activating and using the leaf shutter in medium format lenses will be possible.
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Re: Leica to relase a Sony A7 direct competitor?
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2015, 07:03:49 am »

3. An alternative to an MFDB on a mini view camera that would have total electronic communication with (again) the same lenses (expect a new Sinar mini view camera -the size of an Actus- soon...

Has Leica ever made any public statement backing up your hope that they may do something like this some day?

Cheers,
Bernard
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