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« Reply #220 on: February 08, 2022, 02:52:55 pm »

Scoring his own goal - Driver supporting protests 'floored' by harassment, death threats.

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An Ottawa tow truck operator says he has received hundreds of calls, including death threats, from protest supporters who mistakenly believe he removed a plywood shack from Confederation Park at the request of police, when he was actually helping protesters. Structures in the park, including a shack used to provide meals for protesters, were removed on Sunday after protesters co-operated with police and the park was fenced off — a move lauded as a victory by the Ottawa Police Service.
Randy May says he was behind the wheel of the tow truck that relocated the shed to the lot on Coventry Road next to the Ottawa baseball stadium, which is a key camp for protesters. The owner of Advanced Towing & Recovery, who says he supports the protest against all COVID-19 vaccine mandates and public health restrictions, said he was not contacted by police. He was actually contacted by one of the protest organizers, Pat King, to remove the shack after responding to a plea on social media.

May has since tried to contact protest organizers to clear up the misunderstanding so the calls stop. He says he has not yet received a response.
"It kind of swayed my judgment on certain things," said May, who does say he still supports the protest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-convoy-protest-shack-towed-reaction-1.6342357
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« Reply #221 on: February 08, 2022, 03:03:49 pm »

"Friendly fire."

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« Reply #222 on: February 08, 2022, 03:04:12 pm »

And medical staff in Vancouver advised by police not to wear scrubs outside on the way to/from work, lest it offend all those freedom demonstrators, https://globalnews.ca/news/8597044/vancouver-hospital-workers-told-not-to-wear-scrubs-id-outside-during-covid-19-protests/?utm_source=leadnow&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2022-02-07.

It's not easy to remain polite.
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« Reply #223 on: February 08, 2022, 03:05:02 pm »

"Friendly fire."

Let me guess, it's the price of freedom, right?
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« Reply #224 on: February 08, 2022, 03:27:12 pm »

Let me guess, it's the price of freedom, right?
I was referring to Les's post when one of the protesters was accosted by other protestors in error.  That's "friendly fire" in war when you  mistakenly shoot your own troops. 

I'm not familiar with Canadian constitutional law.  But I suppose they're entitled to protest just like on 1/6 and the BLM protests in America. But they're not allowed to riot or break the law. What I find interesting is how hapless the chief of police is and PM.  It's been a week or so, and they still haven't gotten their acts together with enough police to control the problem spots, just as what happened on Jan 6th with the Capitol Police.  Fortunately, Canadian truckers are more polite than Trump supporters.

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« Reply #225 on: February 08, 2022, 03:43:37 pm »

"Friendly fire."

"Deplorables" would be a more appropriate term.
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« Reply #226 on: February 08, 2022, 04:21:27 pm »

...But they're not allowed to riot or break the law. What I find interesting is how hapless the chief of police is and PM.  It's been a week or so, and they still haven't gotten their acts together with enough police to control the problem spots, just as what happened on Jan 6th with the Capitol Police.  Fortunately, Canadian truckers are more polite than Trump supporters.

The Prime Minister would have no direct say in local criminal matters that are mostly a provincial matter, although I'm sure the feds would have stuck their noses in since the protest was ostensibly about federal legislation, although it was never really about that imo. This city does not have a large riot-equipped police force which is probably why they declared a state of emergency, which should have given them access to provincial support. The fact they the provincial government has not acted is no surprise to me, as I have nothing good to say about the current provincial government, whose main concern is in netting great land deals for their real estate buddies, so far as anyone can tell.

The protests should have been disbanded after that first weekend. The failure of the so-called "law and order" Conservative party is also noteworthy, but maybe they'll be punished at the next election. But none of their leaders are what I would call alphas and it was silly to expect much from them.


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Fortunately, Canadian truckers are more polite than Trump supporters.

Maybe. The 99.9% who are at work and not demonstrating downtown probably are. All the ones I've known were. We've been wondering how the ones downtown can afford to keep hundred thousand rigs idle for 10 days while complaining that they can't work (which is not true).

No question that it's a shit show all round.
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« Reply #227 on: February 08, 2022, 04:21:44 pm »

Ottawa protest inspires talk of copycat convoys in U.S.

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In the U.S. Congress, members laced into each other in a debate about the protest in Ottawa and the broader question of vaccine mandates.
A Texas Republican voiced support for the convoy, while mocking Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
"I'm perfectly happy to slap around the Canadian prime minister for his absolute, abject failure and to side with Canadian truckers," lawmaker Chip Roy said.

This was after a Democrat scolded Roy for propagating the absurd lie that Trudeau had escaped to the U.S. and was hiding there.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/ottawa-truck-protest-convoy-us-1.6343784
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« Reply #228 on: February 08, 2022, 05:15:59 pm »

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Ottawa protest inspires talk of copycat convoys in U.S.

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In the U.S. Congress, members laced into each other in a debate about the protest in Ottawa and the broader question of vaccine mandates.
A Texas Republican voiced support for the convoy, while mocking Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
"I'm perfectly happy to slap around the Canadian prime minister for his absolute, abject failure and to side with Canadian truckers," lawmaker Chip Roy said.

This was after a Democrat scolded Roy for propagating the absurd lie that Trudeau had escaped to the U.S. and was hiding there.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/ottawa-truck-protest-convoy-us-1.6343784

Frankly, if I was Trudeau, this would have been a great time to flee to Florida where all the other Canadian snowbirds are.  Who needs truckers or the cold.  I spoke to my friend there in Florida, a snow bird from my NJ community. He said it was 78F. (26C)  Can't beat that.

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« Reply #229 on: February 08, 2022, 08:21:03 pm »

Apparently, pantyhose helps seal masks on your face.  It's not clear if you should wash it first.

Pantyhose as COVID-19 Protection? Study Reveals How It Helps Shield Users from the Virus More Effectively
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/35951/20220204/pantyhose-covid-19-protection-study-reveals-helps-shield-users-virus.htm

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« Reply #230 on: February 09, 2022, 10:37:44 am »

Confirming my previous prediction, Covid is over and will effectively end by the end of February or shortly thereafter.  Restrictions are being lifted all around as Demcorats are joining Republicans in recognizing the political reality of the situation, if not the science.  Apparently, Democrats blinked.

Dropping Indoor Mask Mandate, New York Joins Blue States Easing Covid Rules
After a scare in November, New Jersey’s governor and other Democratic leaders held back-channel talks over lifting mandates and helping voters impatient with restrictions reclaim a sense of normalcy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask-mandate.html

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« Reply #231 on: February 09, 2022, 10:50:20 am »

If Canada follows suit like the NY and NJ governors, the truckers blockade will end.  What will Trudeau do?  Will he blink also?  He says that protests "undermine democracy".  Eh?

Meanwhile, the blockade spreads.  What will Biden do?  Trudeau and Biden will be talking soon.  How is NATO going to stop the Russians of they can't stop truckers.  What are the Chinese thinking about all this vis a vis Taiwan? 

Canada Protests: Plans for a Protest by Truckers in the U.S. Gain Momentum
A convoy-style demonstration starting in California and ending in Washington appears to be gathering supporters online.
As Ottawa remained paralyzed by nearly two weeks of protests against pandemic measures, the demonstrations continued to reverberate beyond Canada, with a new road blockade temporarily cutting off the country’s busiest border crossing and copycat convoys spreading to New Zealand and Australia, with plans for a third in the United States.

While smaller than the protests that have buffeted the core of Ottawa, Canada’s capital, the new protest targets the Ambassador Bridge to Detroit. The bridge is a vital link for the automobile industry, which relies on a constant shuttling of parts and components across the border to keep factories humming in Ontario and the Midwestern United States.

The heavy trucks and private vehicles have blocked traffic destined for Canada. On Tuesday morning the Canada Border Services Agency listed the bridge as “temporarily closed.” But Windsor Police said on Twitter that traffic was again moving to the United States through a secondary entrance to the bridge.

Most of the trucks in the Windsor protest were covered with flags and posters denouncing vaccine mandates and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Mr. Trudeau himself had his own message for the protesters in the national capital, whom he accused of undermining Canadian democracy: “It has to stop.”
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/08/world/canada-trucker-protest




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« Reply #232 on: February 09, 2022, 12:11:32 pm »

Confirming my previous prediction, Covid is over and will effectively end by the end of February or shortly thereafter.  Restrictions are being lifted all around as Demcorats are joining Republicans in recognizing the political reality of the situation, if not the science.  Apparently, Democrats blinked.

Yeah, Covid is over. 2,777 US deaths yesterday.
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« Reply #233 on: February 09, 2022, 01:09:35 pm »

Confirming my previous prediction, Covid is over and will effectively end by the end of February or shortly thereafter.  Restrictions are being lifted all around as Demcorats are joining Republicans in recognizing the political reality of the situation, if not the science.  Apparently, Democrats blinked.


Well, you've predicted the end a few times now. You were bound to be right eventually, weren't you.

Several jurisdictions have partly "opened" things up in the past, at least twice here in Ontario and both times we've had to lockdown again later. So, we'll see. Because of vaccines and less lethal changes in the virus, this time might work. Let's hope so. So far, it's looking promising, although daily deaths in the US are still pretty high compared to almost everything except war.

Which makes these "freedom convoy" protests bizarre, doesn't it? The process has evolved more or less EXACTLY the way that virologists and epidemiologists said it would, we're finally coming out of it at about the timeframe that experts said we would (except a bit quicker because of vaccines) but now the boys are complaining about those very procedures, after they have been shown to work. WTF? A public letter from the Ottawa protestors actually mentions the corruption of human DNA by the vaccines, which belongs up there with alien abductions and flat earth.

But hey, if you want to take the credit for predicting the end, who am I to contradict you? As you've said many times, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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« Reply #234 on: February 09, 2022, 01:54:58 pm »

Yeah, Covid is over. 2,777 US deaths yesterday.
those deaths are from old cases.  The case load had disintegrated to a tiny fraction of what was in early January.  Democrats think it's over too.  Or blinked.

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« Reply #235 on: February 09, 2022, 02:09:13 pm »

Yeah, Covid is over. 2,777 US deaths yesterday.
That you keep arguing with a fact denier whose only task here is to troll nonsense like what is seen below should prove, this is all pointless and troll feeding:
December 19th he says this, then today** tells you your stats are from old cases.

So now that Covid is on the way out, we're left with the economic damage.

But if you insist on providing him a platform, he'll use it. Why do you think he started this new thread?

** those deaths are from old cases.  The case load had disintegrated to a tiny fraction of what was in early January.  Democrats think it's over too.  Or blinked.

Worth repeating for those of you who know this troll is here simply for attention, not to seriously talk about Covid-19:
Your recreational ignorance is showing again.
It isn't recreational, it is professional.



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« Reply #236 on: February 09, 2022, 03:16:56 pm »

those deaths are from old cases. ...

How old? From Saturday?
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« Reply #237 on: February 09, 2022, 03:27:12 pm »

those deaths are from old cases.  The case load had disintegrated to a tiny fraction of what was in early January.  Democrats think it's over too.  Or blinked.

The deaths are from 2-week old, 1 week old and also new cases, some reported and some not reported. If the official stats show 169,000 cases in one day, the real number could be 300,000 - 400,000. As mentioned in one of my posts, three adults in my friend's family contracted covid from their small boy. They all stayed in bed for two days and quarantined for a week, but didn't bother to report it. 4 unreported cases. There will thousands of situations like this.
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« Reply #238 on: February 09, 2022, 03:46:47 pm »

The deaths are from 2-week old, 1 week old and also new cases, some reported and some not reported. If the official stats show 169,000 cases in one day, the real number could be 300,000 - 400,000. As mentioned in one of my posts, three adults in my friend's family contracted covid from their small boy. They all stayed in bed for two days and quarantined for a week, but didn't bother to report it. 4 unreported cases. There will thousands of situations like this.
It's over.  Democrats don't care about those numbers any longer.  Science is passe. Democrats in NY and NJ and many other states run by democrats don't care what the CDC recommends (they complain it's not time yet, but Democrats don't care about their science.  What phonies.) Economics and politics have taken over as I said they would a long time ago.   They don't want truckers tying up the roads as in Canada.  Politicians are running scared especially with the upcoming elections.  Polls are running against Biden.  The mask mandates are over in NY and NJ or will be within weeks.  Deaths may be high in other parts of America, but not here.  Posting a number like 2,000 for a country as large as America over three thousand miles wide means nothing.  Each of the fifty states and their governors decides for itself what to do.  NJ and NY are moving on.  Covid is over. 

CDC director: Cases too high to end indoor masking requirements
The head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said the agency is still not ready to make recommendations on relaxing mask requirements, even as more governors announce their intentions to do so.

"We are working on that guidance," Rochelle Walensky told reporters during a White House briefing, but "our hospitalizations are still high, our death rates are still high. So as we work towards that and as we are encouraged by the current trends, we are not there yet."

Her comments come as a growing number of states, like California, Delaware and New York announced this week their intentions to drop indoor mask mandates in the coming days. Some others, like Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey, are eliminating mask mandates in schools.
[All Democrat governors except Massachusets].
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/593501-cdc-director-cases-too-high-to-end-indoor-masking-requirements



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« Reply #239 on: February 09, 2022, 03:50:03 pm »

... Science is passe. ...

What a howler.
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