Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[faberryman]

Here's what I said and what you said.  What did you mean if not that?

Quote from: Alan Klein on Today at 08:24:24 pm
You're lumping me and 74 million people into this group QAnon which I never even heard of until recently.  I still don't know who they are.

You said: I think that was Mike Pence’s defense too. This article in Wikipedia, the font of all knowledge, will give you a brief introduction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

Still waiting for where I accused you of believing what you call “these idiots”.

[Alan Klein]

I have no problem with Puerto Rico becoming a state, if they so choose.  Unfortunately, they have voted 5 times in the past, but either the vote failed or not enough people turned out to vote.  So, I have my doubts on this, but if they vote for status, I have no issue.

DC should never be a state, full stop. 

The democrats will become undemocratic and tell the Puerto Ricans they're going to become a state and make up some excuse. Right now they don't pay federal income taxes there, only 4% PR tax. So most would like that to continue.  Of course, that ends if they become a state.  They'll have to pay federal taxes like the rest of us suckers. 

[Alan Klein]

Still waiting for where I accused you of believing what you call “these idiots”.

when you said that was Mike Pence's defense, it implies to me that Pence was playing dumb and knew who they were and so did I and we both agree with this group.  If I'm wrong, well, what did you mean by comparing me to him?

[TechTalk]

There was evidence the FBI cooked the books using the dossier.  one FBI guy get lucky and was only reprimanded or lost his job for three months.  A slap on the wrists for causing two years of phoney investigation and creating political mayhem in the country. They got away with it.  Now that Biden is president, all investigations will end. The creatures of the DC swamp know how the game is played.

The investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election was investigated by the Inspector General of the Justice Department. It was not a hoax. It was not a Democratic conspiracy theory. It did not spy on the Trump campaign. It was not predicated on the Steele dossier. It began before the dossier was known. It was legally predicated on real facts. There was collusion between Trump campaign officials with Russian operatives; but the prosecutors decided it would be too difficult to prove criminal conspiracy. Trump and his campaign continuously lied about contacts and business dealing with Russia before and after the election. Various attempts were made to obstruct justice thru interference which were well documented.

Your repeated parroting of talking points made up of false assertions will never become facts by simply repeating them.

[TechTalk]

There are a few things that make Americans Americans, with freedom of speech being one of them.  You're not American if you are against it.  Pretty cut and dry 1st amendment.

Not only is my freedom of thought being canceled... now it's being an American that is being canceled! Help me! Help me! I'm a victim!

[faberryman]

when you said that was Mike Pence's defense, it implies to me that Pence was playing dumb and knew who they were and so did I and we both agree with this group If I'm wrong, well, what did you mean by comparing me to him?

Please explain how any rational human being could possibly interpret that what I said implied the bolded part of your post.

[TechTalk]

You're a fool if you really think the left cares about country and constitution. 

Liberals do, but lefties do not.  People like AOC and the squad would do away with it if they could.  They openly state this, and I tend to take people at their word. 

Hogwash

[Alan Klein]

The American Enterprise Institute is anti-Trump?

It was/is made up of Neocons who got us into Iraq which Trump opposed.  It's made up of traditional anti-Trump Republicans. Trump, a non-politican, and non-Republican, was always an outsider.  They never forgave him for taking out Bush in the nomination process embarrassing him as he only got 3% of the vote after spending $100 million.

It includes as it members some of the most anti-Trump people including Lynn Cheney, the Bushes, John Bolton, Dick Cheney. They always considered Trump an outsider and "winked" at his problems with the false charges of collusion.  It was the Bushes that started the original Russian dossier against Trump.  Hillary Clinton took it over when Bush dropped out of the campaign for the Republican nomination against Trump.
To sum up, the AEI is no friend of Donald Trump. If they were, why would they even do a poll to come up with results that might embarrass a Republican president?  No, they deliberately went out of their way to help defeat Trump just as they used the dossier in 2016.

[TechTalk]

The democrats will become undemocratic and tell the Puerto Ricans they're going to become a state and make up some excuse.

New and unimproved Hogwash.

[Alan Klein]

The investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election was investigated by the Inspector General of the Justice Department. It was not a hoax. It was not a Democratic conspiracy theory. It did not spy on the Trump campaign. It was not predicated on the Steele dossier. It began before the dossier was known. It was legally predicated on real facts. There was collusion between Trump campaign officials with Russian operatives; but the prosecutors decided it would be too difficult to prove criminal conspiracy. Trump and his campaign continuously lied about contacts and business dealing with Russia before and after the election. Various attempts were made to obstruct justice thru interference which were well documented.

Your repeated parroting of talking points made up of false assertions will never become facts by simply repeating them.

Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Who Altered Email in Russia Case Is Sentenced to Probation
A judge rebuffed a request by prosecutors to impose a prison sentence on Kevin Clinesmith, who admitted doctoring an email used to help authorize a wiretap on a former Trump campaign aide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/29/us/politics/kevin-clinesmith-probation.html

Page was fired:
Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn't prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appointment
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881-lisa-page-bombshell-fbi-couldnt-prove-trump-russia-collusion-before-mueller

Strzok and  others pushed the spying process and approvals as did others. 

[Alan Klein]

Please explain how any rational human being could possibly interpret that what I said implied the bolded part of your post.

You moving the goalposts.  What did you mean I used the Mike Pence defense?

[Alan Klein]

Hogwash

Joe's right.  AOC would do away with the whole American system and replace it with a Marxist system, probably Communist. 

[faberryman]

Trump apparently issued a statement critical of McConnell. I am interested in the mechanics of that. Did he type it up at Mar-A-Lago and send it to a bunch of newspapers or something?

[TechTalk]

No truly moral person ever goes into politics.

Joe's right.  AOC would do away with the whole American system and replace it with a Marxist system, probably Communist. 

Hogwash with creme rinse.

[faberryman]

You moving the goalposts.  What did you mean I used the Mike Pence defense?

The goalposts haven’t moved an inch. You said I accused you of believing what you called “these idiots”. Are we going to go through three more days of your false facts, logical fallacies, denials, deflections, runarounds, and rabbit holes on this false statement of yours too?

[LesPalenik]

It didn't take Trump long to start a new offensive.
He wrote a scathing letter about Mitch McConnell and announced his involvement in 2022 mid term elections.

Former President Donald Trump went after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday, calling him "a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack" in a broadside attack just days after the Kentucky Republican voted to acquit Trump in his second impeachment trial.

After that vote, McConnell ripped Trump in a speech from the Senate floor, and the two have been estranged in recent months after working closely together during the former President's four years in office.
"Mitch is a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack, and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again," Trump said in the statement. "He will never do what needs to be done, or what is right for our Country. Where necessary and appropriate, I will back primary rivals who espouse Making America Great Again and our policy of America First. We want brilliant, strong, thoughtful, and compassionate leadership."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/trump-mcconnell/index.html 

[faberryman]

It didn't take Trump long to start a new offensive.
He wrote a scathing letter about Mitch McConnell and announced his involvement in 2022 mid term elections.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/trump-mcconnell/index.html

There are so many people under the bus they are going to need to get a bigger bus.

[Alan Klein]

The goalposts haven’t moved an inch. You said I accused you of believing what you called “these idiots”. Are we going to go through three more days of your false facts, logical fallacies, denials, deflections, runarounds, and rabbit holes on this false statement of yours too?

Oh Jeez.

[Alan Klein]

It didn't take Trump long to start a new offensive.
He wrote a scathing letter about Mitch McConnell and announced his involvement in 2022 mid term elections.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/politics/trump-mcconnell/index.html 

Well McConnell spoke for twenty minutes against Trump on the floor of the Senate.  Trump had to go after him not only because that's his style - punch back twice as hard.  But because he wanted to let other Republicans know what will happen if they go against him as well.  So now Trump has put all the republican Senators and Congressman on notice he intends to run the party.  I think that's bad for the party.  But someone has to come along who can handle Trump, be strong, and be compassionate, unlike Trump.  That's going to take a special person as we saw no one was capable of that in 2016 during the republican nomination process.  The Republican senators may rue the day they didn't vote with the democrats for impeachment.

[faberryman]

Oh Jeez.

Oh Jeez is right. More false statements.