Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[jeremyrh]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

Which part of that article do you think supports your claim that “ The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate” ?  (Clue : caseload != spread ).

Regardless of your answer to that question, so what?  Can we order the population to instantly get thin in order to avoid overloading the health system?

[jeremyrh]

Wearing shoes helps prevent stubbed toes.

https://www.healthline.com/health/stubbed-toe#prevention

So does not having any toes. I suggest we demand all Americans to chop off their toes to avoid this problem.

[Robert Roaldi]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

Your messaging is confusing me. I didn't read the previous 4-5 pages in detail but it sounded to me as if you were pushing the views of a lady who doesn't think that there have been "excess" deaths because of Covid at all. I didn't read her work but that's the conclusion that others have alluded to. That struck me to be an extraordinary claim. But you yourself have often expressed the view that Covid is just a flu. So if it's not a thing, why are you quoting articles about how the thing that doesn't exist affects obese people more than others.

What the previous 130+ pages, not to mention previous threads, has shown is that this, whatever it is, is more much than a one variable problem.

[digitaldog]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

Failure on your part again to understand the reference and then incorrectly regurgitate a post here, avoiding all the actual data!

What was written there:
Predictors significantly associated with the total number of reported cases per million were days to any lockdown (i.e. full or partial), median age of population, prevalence of obesity, days to any border closure and number of tests performed per million population (Table 3)

pre-existing socioeconomic characteristics of the country, baseline healthcare capacity, and other health-related population features (i.e. smoking prevalence, obesity rate, and global health indices) may be contributing factors to disparities in outcomes between countries.

What you wrote that is not started there:

The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate

[digitaldog]

It would help if you knew how to read a chart.

And the articles he references when asked to prove his simplistic and wrong opinions.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Which part of that article do you think supports your claim that “ The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate” ? ...

It is right there, in the beginning:

[digitaldog]

Which part of that article do you think supports your claim that “ The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate” ?  (Clue : caseload != spread ).

The parts he didn't read or the parts he did and didn't understand or process.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."-Carl Sagan
None provided as several of us now know.

[jeremyrh]

It is right there, in the beginning:

Indeed - it says fat people get sicker.  What does it say about the disease spreading, and what action does this observation suggest we take? I'm sure the data also show that old people get sicker as well. Shall we suggest that people get younger? I'm happy if you've found a way to do that, but I'm not holding out much hope.

[digitaldog]

It is right there, in the beginning:

Such creative analysis as usual.
The word ”Mask” is not found anywhere in the article!
Now I'll try and you'll fail: Which part of that article do you think supports your claim that “ The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage”?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Indeed - it says fat people get sicker.  What does it say about the disease spreading...

Keep building that straw man. It says that increasing caseloads (number of cases, a.k.a spread) is primarily associated with obesity rates.

Furthermore, mortality is also associated with obesity etc. and NOT with "rapd border closures, full lockdowns, and wide-spread testing"

It is all there in the big snapshot I posted above, even underlined for you et al to see clearly.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Such creative analysis as usual.
The word ”Mask” is not found anywhere in the article!
Now I'll try and you'll fail: Which part of that article do you think supports your claim that “ The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage”?

Forced mask usage is closely related to lockdowns.

Besides, don't you find it at least unusual that such a comprehensive analysis, taking into account all other measures applied so far, doesn't even mention masks specifically. To me that speaks enough about mask relevance.

[jeremyrh]

Keep building that straw man. It says that increasing caseloads (number of cases, a.k.a spread) is primarily associated with obesity rates.

Furthermore, mortality is also associated with obesity etc. and NOT with "rapd border closures, full lockdowns, and wide-spread testing"

It is all there in the big snapshot I posted above, even underlined for you et al to see clearly.

Caseload is a function of severity and not just number.

Regardless - what do you propose we do about it?

[digitaldog]

Forced mask usage is closely related to lockdowns.

More assumed rubbish and utter lack of evidence, extraordinary or otherwise.
Slobodan busted again for posting nonessential statements he can not back up. Using vague assumed generalizations and terms such as ”lockdowns”.
Quit while you're behind.

[Frans Waterlander]

Forced mask usage is closely related to lockdowns.

My advice: just ignore the Jerk-In-Chief!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

More assumed rubbish and utter lack of evidence, extraordinary or otherwise.
Slobodan busted again for posting nonessential statements he can not back up. Using vague assumed generalizations and terms such as ”lockdowns”.
Quit while you're behind.

Don't you find it at least unusual that such a comprehensive analysis, taking into account all other measures applied so far, doesn't even mention masks specifically. To me that speaks enough about mask relevance.

[jeremyrh]

My advice: just ignore the Jerk-In-Chief!

Hi Frans - do you have some contribution to the subject? Or is your role just to follow Andrew around like an annoying little dog?

Thanks.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

My advice: just ignore the Jerk-In-Chief!

I am tempted. I've been patiently waiting all these years to hear something remotely intelligent from him, aside from his narrow speciality, Alas...

[jeremyrh]

Don't you find it at least unusual that such a comprehensive analysis, taking into account all other measures applied so far, doesn't even mention masks specifically. To me that speaks enough about mask relevance.

I could imagine, actually, that masks are a bit like bike helmets and give the wearer an unjustified sense of invulnerbility leadng them to risky behaviour.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... what do you propose we do about it?

That is a completely different subject, but since you are asking, I've been for the Swedish model from day one.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I could imagine, actually, that masks are a bit like bike helmets and give the wearer an unjustified sense of invulnerbility leadng them to risky behaviour.

Unless that was sarcasm, I tend to agree.