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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2760 on: November 28, 2020, 09:46:55 pm »

Did he golf today?
Yes he did. And how many Americans died of Covid-19 while he played? Days not over, 1504 dead thus far today.

Donald Trump visited the golf course for the 301st time as president: November 28, 2020
Donald Trump visited the Trump National Golf Club in Potomac Falls, Va. On Nov. 27, marking the 299th time that the 45th President has visited one of his 17 golf clubs (and, for the most part, between them, presumably played golf) since becoming president on January 20, 2017. He has now made 301 visits to any golf course as president.
Trump prefers to play golf in the morning, while the Secret Service follows Trump in golf carts that have so far cost U.S. taxpayers nearly $ 765,000 to use.
The Secret Service spent more than $ 950,000 spending the night at properties owned by Trump, including his New Jersey country club.


Also reported:
President Trump is on pace to spend more on travel in a single year than President Obama spent in the entire eight years of his presidency, CNN reports. Over the first 80 days of his presidency, Trump has spent approximately $21.6 million traveling to Mar-a-Lago, his Florida beach club, where he has already spent 21 days as president. Obama spent less than $97 million on travel during the eight years he was in the White House. Among Obama’s trips were occasional visits to golf courses, which Trump frequently criticized on Twitter. Trump has made 16 visits to golf courses since his inauguration.

Let's not overlook:
The 27 times Donald Trump tweeted about Barack Obama playing golf too much
Between 2011 and 2016, he also tweeted at least 27 complaints, jokes, or scoldings about Barack Obama playing golf while president.
https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/3/27/15073086/donald-trump-tweets-barack-obama-golf
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« Reply #2761 on: November 28, 2020, 09:52:46 pm »

Have they run out of states in which to sue yet?

He has filed a lot of lawsuits in the battleground states. I can't keep up with which ones, if any, are still active. I think I read that their score is currently 2-38. He has the right to bring the lawsuits, but it appears they are not well founded, and are perhaps being filed to placate Trump. It has been suggested also that they keep filing lawsuits so they can continue soliciting contributions to pay off campaign debt and fund Trump’s new PAC.

Why doesn't Trump hire better lawyers?

Probably because the lawyers think the allegations are specious, and do not wish to be involved. They have reputations to protect.

Did he golf today?

He played yesterday. He also played today with his sons Don J. and Eric.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2762 on: November 28, 2020, 10:18:58 pm »

Yes he did. And how many Americans died of Covid-19 while he played? Days not over, 1504 dead thus far today.
This is the kind of vile behavior and hypocrisy that die-hard Trump supporters, (even when reminded of), simply don't care about and give him a pass:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Oct 23, 2014
"President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf"!


I don't know what kind of earwig digs into people's brains to cause paralysis to fairness or what kind of hypnosis Trump uses on such people, but if anyone else, especially a politician from the other party did this, Trump supporter's blood would boil and their heads would then explode.

Trump does Trump: two dead from Ebola, he complains about Obama playing golf. Fast forward to today, he plays golf (he and everyone around him maskless) when 1500+ Americans died from Covid-19. JUST TODAY!

He was just joking, he was very upset while playing his 300th game of golf while in office, bla,bla,bla. And that's OK with everyone? Really?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2763 on: November 29, 2020, 05:10:01 am »

... Reposted to debunk the propaganda that Slobodan so repetitively promulgates.

Propaganda!? You mean the historic truth that the left is inherently violent? Which can be corroborated by 100s of millions of dead victims and lives ruined?

P.S. You forgot to respond if that tiny red line represents 9/11.

P.P.S. "Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded."
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« Reply #2764 on: November 29, 2020, 05:26:56 am »

Propaganda!? You mean the historic truth that the left is inherently violent? Which can be corroborated by 100s of millions of dead victims and lives ruined?


Are you including Attila the Hun on the left or the right?  You need to publish your methodology to support your claim.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2765 on: November 29, 2020, 05:39:26 am »

Exactly. Japan has made a good case at avoiding the large scale rate of death from Covid-19 compared to the US, which isn't the point Slobodan wants to make or accept. Bringing up suicide and the possibility, again possibility it's due to his continuing undefined ”lock down” is the agenda for again changing the subject.

The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate. Japan fares much better than the US in that respect.

There is a secondary point, besides the rise being attributed to lockdowns, etc., and that is context in which to put the raw numbers of Covid deaths. If one month of suicides means more death than the whole year of Covid, it should put things into proper perspective of what is more risky and dangerous.

The same thing here in Serbia: every year 4,500 people die of lung cancer, vs. about 1,200 from Covid so far. And that is every year, year after year, vs. Covid which is at worst seasonal. But nobody stopped the economy for that, took the military to the streets with machine guns, or, gasp, thought of banning tobacco, or even smoking in restaurant and public places. But Covid, hey!
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2766 on: November 29, 2020, 05:40:01 am »

Are you including Attila the Hun on the left or the right?  You need to publish your methodology to support your claim.

No, but I include Antifa the Fun.

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« Reply #2767 on: November 29, 2020, 05:49:11 am »

The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate. Japan fares much better than the US in that respect.

There is a secondary point, besides the rise being attributed to lockdowns, etc., and that is context in which to put the raw numbers of Covid deaths. If one month of suicides means more death than the whole year of Covid, it should put things into proper perspective of what is more risky and dangerous.

The same thing here in Serbia: every year 4,500 people die of lung cancer, vs. about 1,200 from Covid so far. And that is every year, year after year, vs. Covid which is at worst seasonal. But nobody stopped the economy for that, took the military to the streets with machine guns, or, gasp, thought of banning tobacco, or even smoking in restaurant and public places. But Covid, hey!

Smoking is banned in most public buildings here. Maybe Serbia will catch up one day. In any case, stopping the economy won't affect how people die from smoking - lung cancer is not infectious as far as I'm aware?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2768 on: November 29, 2020, 07:05:00 am »

For those who think (or childishly gloat with TWHANNNNGGGggg!) that if something is published by Fox it must be false or with some agenda in mind, here is your beloved Communist News Network with the same story:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/28/asia/japan-suicide-women-covid-dst-intl-hnk/index.html

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2769 on: November 29, 2020, 07:44:18 am »

Donald Trump visited the golf course for the 301st time as president: November 28, 2020

Trump can always come back as 'President of Golf'
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« Reply #2770 on: November 29, 2020, 08:37:46 am »

You forgot to respond if that tiny red line represents 9/11.

No, I didn't forget.
Read the text and the methodology.
Comprehension difficulties? I'll quote the part again,

" Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism."



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"Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded."

BLM ? 
" More than 100 people were arrested in London at the weekend after violence broke out as far-right groups targeted Black Lives Matter demonstrations."  Who are we going to blame, the black (presumed, using your classification guidelines, lwc: left-wing commie) or the battered neo-fascist he's carrying to safety ?  Anyway, again, read the methodology - it's all there.



I've been through this with you before, Slobodan.
Perhaps give some thought to expanding your repertoire ?
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/201021_Jones_WarComesHome_Methodology.pdf
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« Reply #2771 on: November 29, 2020, 08:57:41 am »

For those who think (or childishly gloat with TWHANNNNGGGggg!) that if something is published by Fox it must be false or with some agenda in mind, here is your beloved Communist News Network with the same story:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/28/asia/japan-suicide-women-covid-dst-intl-hnk/index.html



More sensationalist journalism. But at least the journalist spoke to some people.

That graph is up and down like a yoyo. Without the October spike, it's trending downwards.

And let's remember - Japan didn't have a lockdown.
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« Reply #2772 on: November 29, 2020, 09:11:15 am »

Smoking is banned in most public buildings here. Maybe Serbia will catch up one day. In any case, stopping the economy won't affect how people die from smoking - lung cancer is not infectious as far as I'm aware?
Tobacco is a huge industry still in many southern states in America.  It is an important crop and has a huge economic effect on the well-being of those states.  Tobacco growing was never outlawed despite cancer and other health issues it causes.  OF course, tobacco is a huge export for us as well.   So yes.  The economy overrode health issues, at least here in the USA.  There are many examples of this. 

After the oil shock in the 1970s, many states reduced the speed limit on highways to save energy and reduce deaths from speeding.  It went on for years.  But people complained so much of the slow speeds, most states have increased speed limits again to where they were. Damn energy and health. 

Health and economic costs are always figured into what we do.  Most people will put smoke detectors in their homes but not sprinkler systems which put out the fire and make homes safer and save lives.  Sprinklers cost too much and are ugly on the ceilings.  There's another tradeoff.   

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« Reply #2773 on: November 29, 2020, 09:32:45 am »

Tobacco is a huge industry still in many southern states in America.  It is an important crop and has a huge economic effect on the well-being of those states.  Tobacco growing was never outlawed despite cancer and other health issues it causes.  OF course, tobacco is a huge export for us as well.   So yes.  The economy overrode health issues, at least here in the USA.  There are many examples of this. 

After the oil shock in the 1970s, many states reduced the speed limit on highways to save energy and reduce deaths from speeding.  It went on for years.  But people complained so much of the slow speeds, most states have increased speed limits again to where they were. Damn energy and health. 

Health and economic costs are always figured into what we do.  Most people will put smoke detectors in their homes but not sprinkler systems which put out the fire and make homes safer and save lives.  Sprinklers cost too much and are ugly on the ceilings.  There's another tradeoff.

What’s your point, caller?
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« Reply #2774 on: November 29, 2020, 09:34:35 am »

What’s your point, caller?
Examples of using a keyboard but not much else. ;D
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« Reply #2775 on: November 29, 2020, 09:37:31 am »

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The major predictor of Covid spread are not mask usage or lockdowns, but national obesity rate
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« Reply #2776 on: November 29, 2020, 10:05:27 am »

No, I didn't forget.
Read the text and the methodology.
Comprehension difficulties?

No, you didn't respond, and the quote doesn't explain it either. The year 2001 inexplicably shows 9/11 religious terrorism as a tiny red line, dwarfed by both "right" and "left" terrorism. That alone disqualifies the graph.

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BLM ? 
" More than 100 people were arrested in London ...

Seriously!? We were discussing the graph that is about the US, and you quote a London example?

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« Reply #2777 on: November 29, 2020, 10:48:23 am »

No, you didn't respond, and the quote doesn't explain it either. The year 2001 inexplicably shows 9/11 religious terrorism as a tiny red line, dwarfed by both "right" and "left" terrorism. That alone disqualifies the graph.

It would help if you knew how to read a chart.
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« Reply #2779 on: November 29, 2020, 11:17:18 am »

Wearing shoes helps prevent stubbed toes.

https://www.healthline.com/health/stubbed-toe#prevention
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