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LesPalenik

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2100 on: November 22, 2020, 09:35:10 am »

Ok, you all foreign jealous haters, answer this: if it is Trump's fault, how come you all experience the same spike, Europe, Canada, etc.?
Just one example:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/ontario-toronto-peel-region-lockdown-28-days

"Canada places largest city under 'lockdown' for at least 28 days amid coronavirus spikes
The Ontario province has seen over 1,400 cases in the past 24 hours"

It's the turkey factor. Thanksgiving holiday in Canada was 5 weeks ago, on October 12.
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« Reply #2101 on: November 22, 2020, 09:56:20 am »

Like everything else in Canada, it is far inferior to its American inspiration (e.g., The Babylon Bee). Hence the jealousy and hatred.

Oh, I know what you mean. And for 4-5 months every year, many of us have to shovel snow too. Not me anymore though, I now use a service. Big tractor comes by every blizzard all winter long, costs a lot less than a "pro" lens, even in Canadian dollars.

Meanwhile, I can hardly wait for tomorrow's headlines in the 2020 election saga. I think there are going to be some really weird movies and TV series in a few years looking back on all this.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2102 on: November 22, 2020, 10:02:39 am »

I am not sure what the recount does. If it only takes a ballot and checks whether the vote is for one or the other candidate, than the recount is mostly useless. If, however, it validates the ballot, then it makes sense. That is, checks if the voter is a registered voter, if the signature is the same as in the file,* if it was sent and arrived on time, etc.

Obama surely knew how to validate votes (when he ran in a primary for a Congressional seat):

https://notthebee.com/article/just-a-reminder-obama-won-his-very-first-election-by-charging-his-opponents-with-election-fraud

In my state, you have to request an absentee ballot. In some states they just send out ballot request forms to everyone on the voter roles.  Either way you have to fill it out, sign it and send it in to election central. When the election official receives the ballot request, he checks the signature to the one on file, and if they match, he sends you a ballot. The ballot package contains an outer envelope, an inner or secrecy envelope, and the ballot itself. There is a perforated flap on the outer envelope. That is where you fill out your name and address and sign it. The inner envelope is blank. The ballot itself contains no personal identifying information. After you have filled in the little circles adjacent to your choice for all the offices on the ballot (president, senator, house of representatives, state senator, dog catcher, etc.), you fold it up and put it in the inner envelope, seal it, put the inner envelope in the outer envelope, and either mail the ballot package to the election center or put it in a dropbox. When the election official receives it, he compares the signature on the outer envelope flap to the one on file, notes in the computer your ballot has been received, removes and retains the flap with your personal identifying information, takes the inner envelope out and passes it down the line. From that point forward, your name and your ballot are forever separated. That's because the secrecy of your vote is sacrosanct. The secrecy envelope is opened by a vote counter, who removes and unfolds your ballot, and sends it through a machine that tabulates your votes.

All this "we can't verify the signatures" argument is just smoke. You could re-verify the signatures on the flaps, but if you found any discrepancies, you wouldn't know who that person voted for, so you couldn't adjust the vote tallies. That is a feature not a bug. Trump was also complaining his guys weren't close enough to the vote counters. How close do you have to be to see a guy opening the secrecy envelope, pulling out the ballot, unfolding it and putting it in the tabulating machine. Maybe the vote counter was sticking Trump ballots in his shoe or something. Massive voter fraud.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2103 on: November 22, 2020, 10:32:25 am »

As a citizen of the USA, you have a 99.96 percent chance to survive. As a citizen of Serbia, it is 99.99% America (and the UK and other rich nations) is paying the price for its obesity epidemic, as it is #1 predictor of how fast the virus will spread and kill.

I'm tired of you foreigners insulting my comfortably padded country.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2104 on: November 22, 2020, 10:39:39 am »

Example, how one infected person can infect hundreds more.

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Hundreds of mourners, including country’s president, gathered on Sunday for the funeral of Patriarch Irinej, the head of the Serbian Orthodox Church, who died aged 90 after contracting COVID-19. Irinej tested positive for coronavirus on Nov. 4 and died on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-serbia-patriarch-funeral/hundreds-gather-to-bury-serbias-patriarch-despite-coronavirus-surge-idUSKBN2820FM?il=0
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2105 on: November 22, 2020, 10:51:06 am »

Yeah, Les, imagine dying at the age of 90. Who would have thought!

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« Reply #2106 on: November 22, 2020, 10:54:05 am »

Yeah, Les, imagine dying at the age of 90. Who would have thought!

I can't speculate on his source of infection, but actually, he did quite well reaching that age. Some of his mourners may not be so lucky.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2107 on: November 22, 2020, 10:58:09 am »

Where else would Sidney Powell, one of Trump's lawyers, make this announcement? Newsmax TV. It is where Trump supporters are headed now that Tucker Carlson is persona non grata on Fox News for saying she never provided him with any evidence to back up her conspiracy claims.

Sidney Powell to Newsmax TV: Case Filed This Week ‘Will Be Biblical’

https://www.wbap.com/news/sidney-powell-to-newsmax-tv-case-filed-this-week-will-be-biblical/

Not sure how biblical it will be. The last brief they filed was riddled with misspellings, they filed an affidavit with the wrong state's info it, etc. The technical term for this is half-ass lawyering.

But never say never, maybe they have something.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2108 on: November 22, 2020, 11:05:22 am »

Yeah, Les, imagine dying at the age of 90. Who would have thought!

I think the point was the hundreds of mourners at the funeral, not that the dead guy was 90, but maybe I missed something.
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« Reply #2109 on: November 22, 2020, 11:14:28 am »

Where else would Sidney Powell, one of Trump's lawyers, make this announcement? Newsmax TV. It is where Trump supporters are headed now that Tucker Carlson is persona non grata on Fox News for saying she never provided him with any evidence to back up her conspiracy claims.

Sidney Powell to Newsmax TV: Case Filed This Week ‘Will Be Biblical’

https://www.wbap.com/news/sidney-powell-to-newsmax-tv-case-filed-this-week-will-be-biblical/

Not sure how biblical it will be. The last brief they filed was riddled with misspellings, they filed an affidavit with the wrong state's info it, etc.

But never say never, maybe they have something.

Biblical? I think it's better to under-promise and over-deliver.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2110 on: November 22, 2020, 11:17:31 am »

Biblical? I think it's better to under-promise and over-deliver.

She is just an actress on the stage playing to an audience of one.
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« Reply #2111 on: November 22, 2020, 11:18:52 am »

I think the point was the hundreds of mourners at the funeral, not that the dead guy was 90, but maybe I missed something.

Thanks, Frank. Yes, that's what I meant, although the old patriarch could be also called posthumously a C19 superspreader.
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« Reply #2112 on: November 22, 2020, 11:20:13 am »

Possibly because the first rule of government is to protect the people. So quite legitimately Biden was pointing out that he would take the pandemic more seriously than Trump. Perhaps you can stop playing “political football” now and get behind your new government in trying to control the virus, except Trump who can carry on playing golf.
Protecting the people economically is important as well.  Why are you limiting government responsibility to medical health only?  The governors agree with the importance of both.  That's why they haven't shut down the economies of their states.  They're trying to balance both issues.  Biden won't shut down the economy either.  If he does, the Democrats will lose Congress in 2022. He knows that.  The most he'll do is issue some fig leaf rule that does nothing and will be ignored by the governors and everyone else.  Just to keep the left quiet. 

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« Reply #2113 on: November 22, 2020, 11:22:08 am »

Yeah, Les, imagine dying at the age of 90. Who would have thought!

I've spent plenty of time these last few years in care homes with parents and parents-in-law and many are over 90 years old living a good life. Your inconsiderate statement just shows your character. I'm sure if you reach the age of 90, you'll be singing a different tune.

I've come to expect nothing more from Slobo with his attempt at "shock postings".
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« Reply #2114 on: November 22, 2020, 11:24:33 am »

Protecting the people economically is important as well.  Why are you limiting government responsibility to medical health only?  The governors agree with the importance of both.  That's why they haven't shut down the economies of their states.  They're trying to balance both issues.  Biden won't shut down the economy either.  If he does, the Democrats will lose Congress in 2022. He knows that.  The most he'll do is issue some fig leaf rule that does nothing and will be ignored by the governors and everyone else.  Just to keep the left quiet.

And how well is the economy doing? The number of dead is out of control.
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« Reply #2115 on: November 22, 2020, 11:26:22 am »

Some speculation in this article about how Trump may continue to exert influence on the GOP after he's out of office. Specifically, that he will exact revenge on GOP Governors and such who did not back him 100%, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/22/trump-wreak-havoc-gop-white-house-438859.

I have no idea if he could actually do that, but if he does then the GOP should grow a pair. Another way to look at it is that if you let the fox into the hen house, you shouldn't complain when he does the predictable thing. But that's their problem to fix.
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« Reply #2116 on: November 22, 2020, 11:26:58 am »

I am not sure what the recount does. If it only takes a ballot and checks whether the vote is for one or the other candidate, than the recount is mostly useless. If, however, it validates the ballot, then it makes sense. That is, checks if the voter is a registered voter, if the signature is the same as in the file,* if it was sent and arrived on time, etc.

Obama surely knew how to validate votes (when he ran in a primary for a Congressional seat):

https://notthebee.com/article/just-a-reminder-obama-won-his-very-first-election-by-charging-his-opponents-with-election-fraud



 
Obama is a holy man and deserves more consideration.

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« Reply #2117 on: November 22, 2020, 11:40:14 am »

Some speculation in this article about how Trump may continue to exert influence on the GOP after he's out of office. Specifically, that he will exact revenge on GOP Governors and such who did not back him 100%, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/22/trump-wreak-havoc-gop-white-house-438859.

I have no idea if he could actually do that, but if he does then the GOP should grow a pair. Another way to look at it is that if you let the fox into the hen house, you shouldn't complain when he does the predictable thing. But that's their problem to fix.
The republican party didn't let him into the hen house.  Actually, they tried to keep him out.  The people voted him in.  That's the way a democracy supposed to work.  In addition, Trump expanded the republican party.  His popular platform attracted a lot of former Democrats who Hillary Clinton rejected. With all the bad publicity over 5 years from a negative press, he still won 47%, about half the country.  Ignore that at your peril.  Because of Trump, Republicans picked up seats in the House and in local elections within the states allowing them to gerrymander election districts for the next ten years.  I agree with you that Trump might exact revenge.  He doesn't;t like to lose. Frankly, I would hope he'll go quietly.  But does anyone really expect that?

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« Reply #2118 on: November 22, 2020, 11:43:18 am »

Obama surely knew how to validate votes (when he ran in a primary for a Congressional seat):

https://notthebee.com/article/just-a-reminder-obama-won-his-very-first-election-by-charging-his-opponents-with-election-fraud

Obama is a holy man and deserves more consideration.

I guess one difference is that Obama actually had sufficient evidence to have the names stricken from the ballot petition. Trump is something like 1-35 in his lawsuits because when the judge asks his lawyer if he can prove any of the fraud alleged in the affidavits, the lawyer says he cannot. The gavel comes down and Trump is out on his ass again.
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« Reply #2119 on: November 22, 2020, 12:55:55 pm »

Chris Christie, former governor of New Jersey, is an on again, off again supporter of Donald Trump. He is currently off again, probably because Trump may have given him COVID during debate prep. Anyway, here is what he has to say today about Trump's "elite strike force" legal team:

Chris Christie calls the conduct of Trump’s legal team a ‘national embarrassment’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-christie-trump-concede/2020/11/22/05c280e6-2cda-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

When I hear "elite strike force", I think of Jimmy Carter's disaster in the desert, when army helicopters crashed into each other at the staging area for an aborted rescue mission to recover the hostages being held by Iran. Eight solders were killed. Not the nation's finest hour.
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