Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Craig Lamson]

Knowing that you've had problems with reading comprehension in the past is why I posted all of them in chronological order above. I'll do it again for you.

As you can see above, we are still on the same topic of the two ballots in Erie when you reply "So just a little fraud is ok." No dead people and still on topic.

As you can see, my reply is still in regards to the Erie ballots and your reply of "So just a little fraud is ok."  No dead people have arisen yet.

Now you seem to want to go off on a different tangent and discuss dead people. I'm not interested in getting on a rhetorical rollercoaster ride with you, so I stay on the topic that we've been discussing (in fact I deleted the change of subject from your reply and responded only to "So there’s no fraud?") and replied...


And for reasons known only to you, you find it amusing.

And the reason that I stayed on topic, didn't take the bait of going off on your tangent, and choose not to go off on these merry-go-round and rollercoaster rhetorical trips that you seem to enjoy is illustrated in everything shown in the lengthy post above. It's exhausting.

Your diversions are just an excuse to spin in rhetorical circles and to fire off insults—again for reasons known only to you. It's wholly unproductive, leads nowhere and serves only your ego. So thanks for the opportunity to play your game and take your bait. But, been there and have zero interest in it.

Now... congratulate yourself and hurl all the petty insults you like.

You might have still been on the post office.  I moved had moved on.  Welcome to reality.

[Craig Lamson]

Oh, well I guess that promise by Biden not to shut down the economy is already showing itself to be a lie. 

Biden COVID-19 adviser suggests potential lockdown lasting over a month

I see Philly is  starting lockdowns again....

[TechTalk]

Biden hasn't taken office as President yet, so no decision has been made. He'll listen to a variety of opinions, not just one, and decide what course he wants to take after hearing from all of the relevant parties. Don't get too discouraged just yet Joe.

[JoeKitchen]

I see Philly is  starting lockdowns again....

And they also want to ruin Thanksgiving too with such rules as no one from outside your household, and if someone does come, they should bring their own food. 

How nice it is to cook merely for show this year.  "Take a look at this amazing food; too bad you poor bastards cant have any and get to watch me eat it.  Oh, you did not bring a doggie bag that you throw together with day(s) old left overs, tough shit.  Philly guidelines.  You should be thankful I'm letting you drink my tap water." 

Yeah, no thanks. 

[JoeKitchen]

Biden hasn't taken office as President yet, so no decision has been made. He'll listen to a variety of opinions, not just one, and decide what course he wants to take after hearing from all of the relevant parties. Don't get too discouraged just yet Joe.

It does not matter, I wont listen to it.  If that means I need to spend a month in FL, where they promised no more lock downs, then that is what I will do. 

[faberryman]

And they also want to ruin Thanksgiving too with such rules as no one from outside your household, and if someone does come, they should bring their own food.

Who is "they" who want to ruin Thanksgiving?

[TechTalk]

It does not matter, I wont listen to it.  If that means I need to spend a month in FL, where they promised no more lock downs, then that is what I will do. 

You could relax, get some sun, and dream about your wine that's aging to what we all hope is perfection (or at least hopefully not turning into a really fine vinegar). Doesn't sound too bad.

[Craig Lamson]

Who is "they" who want to ruin Thanksgiving?

Have we officially changed subjects?  I just want to sure.

[faberryman]

It does not matter, I wont listen to it.  If that means I need to spend a month in FL, where they promised no more lock downs, then that is what I will do.

You say stuff like that a lot. Why are you telling us?

[digitaldog]

Biden hasn't taken office as President yet, so no decision has been made. He'll listen to a variety of opinions, not just one, and decide what course he wants to take after hearing from all of the relevant parties. Don't get too discouraged just yet Joe.

What was stated on the Fox page, not here of course is this:
“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages, for individual workers,” he told the outlet, noting low interest rates. He added that federal borrowing could bail out small- and medium-sized companies, cities, states and county governments.

We can spend billions on aircraft carriers and nukes, but paying to shut down to protect people from infecting others, then pay people to do so is unimaginable even if it saved tens of thousands of lives. It's about priorities. How awful they suggest, to quarantine when absolutely necessary, and proven to have worked in other countries, pay to do so, save lives, keep hospitals from over crowding etc.

And some want to use more stupid arguments that a lock down is worse than the disease (and cost more). They might think a bit differently if their parents or children died from Covid-19. You can't put a cost on that (but they will of course try). 

[JoeKitchen]

Who is "they" who want to ruin Thanksgiving?

Our great Dick Levine in PA, and other city officials. 

Philadelphia officials recommend residents cancel planned holiday gatherings due to COVID-19

But Biden celebrations are okay ... which is why I consider it my duty to ignore all these measures.  If they were being enforced consistently regardless of political affiliation, I would still object but would be more inclined to follow them.  But it is blatantly obvious that the Dems are giving exceptions that help them politically and merely using them as a tool for power. 

This hypocrisy means I no longer look at these measures in good faith and will refuse to follow them for it. 

[faberryman]

Have we officially changed subjects?  I just want to sure.

I am responding to Joe's post. There are several conversations on-going.

[Alan Klein]

 How will Biden respond? 
1. China's the major strategic issue we're all facing in the future. How will he treat China?

2. Will he continue to pull American troops out of Afghanistan.  It's now his call.  Whatever happens will be on his watch.  He can't blame Trump because he can certainly reverse course just as Trump reversed course in Iran and Paris Accord and with China trade.

HONG KONG (Reuters) - Hong Kong’s pro-democracy opposition lawmakers said on Wednesday they would resign in protest against the dismissal of four of their colleagues from the city assembly after Beijing gave local authorities new powers to further curb dissent.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-security/hong-kong-ousts-four-legislators-in-blow-to-pro-democracy-opposition-idUSKBN27R0CO?il=0

Trudeau Minister Condemns China’s Removal of Hong Kong Lawmakers
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-11/trudeau-minister-condemns-china-s-removal-of-hong-kong-lawmakers

U.S. National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien said China’s latest clampdown in Hong Kong shows that the one country, two systems arrangement for the territory amounts to a “fig leaf” for dictatorship, and warned of new sanctions.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-11/trump-s-national-security-advisor-warns-china-on-hong-kong

 The Taliban is calling on President-elect Joe Biden to stick with a February agreement to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan.
https://www.socialnews.xyz/2020/11/11/taliban-urges-biden-to-withdraw-u-s-troops-hong-kong-pro-democracy-lawmakers-resign-video/

[JoeKitchen]

What was stated on the Fox page, not here of course is this:
“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages, for individual workers,” he told the outlet, noting low interest rates. He added that federal borrowing could bail out small- and medium-sized companies, cities, states and county governments.

We can spend billions on aircraft carriers and nukes, but paying to shut down to protect people from infecting others, then pay people to do so is unimaginable even if it saved tens of thousands of lives. It's about priorities. How awful they suggest, to quarantine when absolutely necessary, and proven to have worked in other countries, pay to do so, save lives, keep hospitals from over crowding etc.

And some want to use more stupid arguments that a lock down is worse than the disease (and cost more). They might think a bit differently if their parents or children died from Covid-19. You can't put a cost on that (but they will of course try). 

Lock downs did not do anything to mitigate the spread poor little doggie.  Italy had large scale lockdowns and they got walloped anyway.

I also value liberty over safety, the whole give me liberty or give me death thing. 

Oh yeah, btw, this is why your side lost big down ballot this election.  You cant talk to people without insulting them.  I hope the republicans gerrymander the shit out of districts next year so I can just read you complain about it. 

[TechTalk]

Have we officially changed subjects?  I just want to sure.

For future reference, when someone deletes your change of subject when replying to you, they aren't going with you on your new journey. Just sayin'

[Craig Lamson]

I am responding to Joe's post. There are several conversations on-going.

Oh, we can do two things at once?  Cool.

[Craig Lamson]

For future reference, when someone deletes your change of subject when replying to you, they aren't going with you on your new journey. Just sayin'

When someone deletes part of a post it really says the just don’t want to talk about it.  Just sayin. 

[Alan Klein]

And yet you want to ride or die with the party whose core promise was to eliminate the law that guaranteed that private insurance companies couldn't drop you for age-related chronic illness, lifetime payout caps, deny coverage for preexisting conditions, and provide a competitive marketplace disengaged from employment. 

Makes perfect sense.

Trump favored keeping preexisting condition coverage.  Having a single national health care systems means no competition.  Only private companies can insure competition.  Obamacare has gotten so expensive, people cant afford insurance coverage and the deductible are so high, they can't even use it for regular medical care other than catastrophic coverage.  Medical care is a thorny issue.  But government controlled system is not the answer.

But you sidetracked the point I was addressing.  That Emmanuel wanted people to die at 75 because they lived long enough.  Is that who you would want in charge of medical care?

[Alan Klein]

ok boys,
while we wait for the ‘official’ election results, we are now, officially, in a parody simulation :

# North Korea at the UNHRC review of the 🇺🇸 U.S. human rights record:
"We express grave concern over violations committed by the United States at home & abroad in breach of international human rights law. We recommend the United States to take legal and practical measures..."

# China,  newly elected to the U.N. Human Rights Council, just reviewed the U.S.  human rights record.
"China wishes to recommend to the U.S.:
1. Root out systematic racism, address widespread police brutality and combat discrimination against African- and Asian-Americans....“
2. Urge politicians to respect peoples’ rights to life and health and stop politicizing and stigmatizing the COVID-19 pandemic.
3. Take holistic measures to eliminate political polarization and social inequality.“
4. Combat the increasingly severe religious intolerance and xenophobic parties.
5. Stop incarcerating migrants including migrant children and guarantee the rights of migrants.
6. Address proliferation of guns and guarantee peoples’ rights to life.“

...  and there’s more

China & North Korea trolling the Donald!

Very funny comparing North Korea's and China's human rights to America's. If you lived there, this web site would be banned.

[Alan Klein]

So you fell for the Republican’s “death panels” scare tactic. Why am I not surprised.

I never believe in death panels deciding who individually would live or die.  What was the concern is that government policy would stop certain medical measures and tests once you reach a certain age.  As costs escalate, the government will js say things like, well, since you're 84, the government won't pay for a triple bypass.  Or because surgeons are so back logged, you can't get scheduled for the operation.So since you can't afford the operation privately, you quickly pass away.