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LesPalenik

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5360 on: January 07, 2021, 05:34:06 am »

That's not context, that's assertions and jumping to conclusions. Who was this woman, what did she do, who was the attacker(s), what was the attacker(s) doing? Don't jump to conclusions if you don't have or don't tell all context that's crucial to forming a balanced opinion. But then again, this thread is full of baloney so nothing new here.

Her name was Ashli Babbitt, she lived in San Diego, flew to Washington while possibly contracting covid virus, with the aim to storm the Capitol. She and her comrades broke the windows and began climbing through the barricades so the police shot her.

If she had stayed at home and stuck to her knitting, she would be still around enjoying her knit and purl pastime on a sunny beach in San Diego.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5361 on: January 07, 2021, 06:39:26 am »

I haven't been able to follow the latest developments.

Do we now understand why the rioters were let in the Capitol?

Because nobody is going to convinced me that orders were not given to let them in. Possibly for good reasons, but orders there certainly were.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #5362 on: January 07, 2021, 08:05:54 am »

With all the focus on the Capitol yesterday, for me more important was the news that the democratic candidates have won in Georgia, so they Biden and his team have now at least 2 years to show what they are made of.

Do we now understand why the rioters were let in the Capitol?
Cheers,Bernard
There were just not enough guards to keep the crowd out...


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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5363 on: January 07, 2021, 08:26:01 am »

With all the focus on the Capitol yesterday, for me more important was the news that the democratic candidates have won in Georgia, so they Biden and his team have now at least 2 years to show what they are made of.
There were just not enough guards to keep the crowd out...

The building is a fortress - a group of moderately assertive boy scouts could have kept the "revolutionaries" out.
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Robert Roaldi

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5364 on: January 07, 2021, 08:32:15 am »


The reporters on the ground, also reporting, that a multitude of *protesters* leaving the scene , were heard to be repeating  “... this is only just the beginning”.

I don't know any more than anyone else here (probably less) but I'm not too worried about that threat. These guys are not highly trained Israeli commandos, are they? And one thing I think is fair to say about their leader Trump is that he is pretty incompetent at getting practical things done. A lot of things have to be in place to instigate an insurrection and so far as I can tell he has failed spectacularly at all the preliminaries, e.g., court cases, accumulating actual facts about real election fraud. I don't think he can be accused of competent long-term thinking so I don't see that he's capable of accomplishing much, other than scorched earth. Besides that, if you're going to do something like that, a coup (more or less), you need a lot of loyal supporters. One thing that Trump does not breed is loyalty. Who hasn't he thrown under the bus at the drop of a hat? He's more bridezilla than chess master. This crowd has guns and they're fired up so they need watching, of course, but that was always true.

Still, in the long run, you still need cool heads and thoughtful planning and rule of law and procedure. I hope that Trump hasn't laid waste to too much of that, the country will need it. It's tempting to think that solutions are simple but nothing is simple. "I'm mad and I'm not going to take it anymore" was a fun line in a movie, but not much else.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5365 on: January 07, 2021, 09:31:10 am »

As if we did not have enough conspiracy theories:

Fox News Stars: America Had It Coming. Also Antifa Did It.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-stars-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-sean-hannity-say-america-had-it-coming-and-also-antifa-did-it?ref=home

Antifa did it. Aliens did it. Sasquatch did it. Nobody has proved Antifa, aliens, or Sasquatch did not do it, so it is an open issue.

Gentlemen, this is the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance. It is often used here. Keep your eyes open for it and do not be fooled.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5366 on: January 07, 2021, 09:45:35 am »

Hopefully, but I can't help observing that McConnell's conversion to bipartisan politics coincided with his loss  of the Senate - not so evident when he was blocking Obama's SC nominee or railroading through Trump's.
Now that Schumer will be in charge of the Senate, he won't give squat either.  Do you think the Democrats don't play hardball after four years of attacking the Republicans?  Schumer's already said weeks ago that if they win Georgia, they'll take over the world. 

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« Reply #5367 on: January 07, 2021, 09:47:05 am »

We all knew he would be consistent with his words. He has been consistently asinine, stupid, egocentric, and liar, for the last 4 years. Thankfully, he is on the way out.

What the entire world has seen on TV is one of the most shameful events of my generation (I am 54), and I hope the responsible parties are brought to justice.
What did you think of the burning and looting during the BLM demonstrations?

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« Reply #5368 on: January 07, 2021, 09:52:14 am »

I haven't been able to follow the latest developments.

Do we now understand why the rioters were let in the Capitol?

Because nobody is going to convinced me that orders were not given to let them in. Possibly for good reasons, but orders there certainly were.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard

It may have been the Democrats who "let them in" to embarrass Trump and the Republicans.  After all, the Washington DC police who protect the capital is run by democrats. On the other hand, it could have just been normal Democrat incompetence.  After all, they knew there would be demonstrations.  These are common in Washington.  So where were the DC police?

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« Reply #5369 on: January 07, 2021, 10:01:22 am »

What did you think of the burning and looting during the BLM demonstrations?

All together now: whataboutism
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5370 on: January 07, 2021, 10:03:14 am »

It may have been the Democrats who "let them in" to embarrass Trump and the Republicans.

Antifa did it. Aliens did it. Sasquatch did it. And now Democrats did it.

What did I tell you folks? The logical fallacy of argument from ignorance.
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« Reply #5371 on: January 07, 2021, 10:05:36 am »

Now that Schumer will be in charge of the Senate, he won't give squat either.  Do you think the Democrats don't play hardball after four years of attacking the Republicans?  Schumer's already said weeks ago that if they win Georgia, they'll take over the world.

This of course is whataboutism too.

Three posts in a row, all with logical fallacies. What can we conclude?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5372 on: January 07, 2021, 10:07:09 am »

What did you think of the burning and looting during the BLM demonstrations?

I don't recall Biden or any other politician inviting them to burn and/or loot, I don't recall them getting into the Capitol, ands I don't recall Biden saying they were "special people".

Other than that - good point, well made.
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« Reply #5373 on: January 07, 2021, 10:18:27 am »

So where were the DC police?

They came as soon as their help was requested by the Capitol Police.  The D.C. metropolitan police have no authority within the area controlled by the Capitol Police until they are summoned by the latter.  (Code of the District of Columbia, §10–503.19.)  The D.C. National Guard, state police from neighboring Maryland and Virginia, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and law enforcement officers from several other federal agencies also came to the Capitol when their assistance was requested.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #5374 on: January 07, 2021, 10:21:47 am »

I don't recall Biden or any other politician inviting them to burn and/or loot, I don't recall them getting into the Capitol, ands I don't recall Biden saying they were "special people".

Other than that - good point, well made.
Demcorats looked the other way. Have you forgotten how one city's (Portland?) Democrat government removed their police and let them run a whole section of the town?  People were killed there too.  That was wrong.  People should have demonstrated at the capital of their state or in Washinton.  Instead, they destroyed and looted private property much of which belonged to black business people who agreed with the demonstrators issue with discrimination but of course not with their methods.  They should have gone to jail.  Likewise with those who broke into the capital.  They should go to jail too.

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« Reply #5375 on: January 07, 2021, 10:22:04 am »

So where were the DC police?

So now it is the fault of the Capitol police that an angry mob of Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol causing death and destruction.
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« Reply #5376 on: January 07, 2021, 10:24:32 am »

Demcorats looked the other way. Have you forgotten how one city's (Portland?) Democrat government removed their police and let them run a whole section of the town?  People were killed there too.  That was wrong.  People should have demonstrated at the capital of their state or in Washinton.  Instead, they destroyed and looted private property much of which belonged to black business people who agreed with the demonstrators issue with discrimination but of course not with their methods.  They should have gone to jail.  Likewise with those who broke into the capital.  They should go to jail too.

The whataboutism continues apace. Logical fallacy upon logical fallacy upon logical fallacy. False facts will be coming next. Keep your eyes peeled.
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« Reply #5377 on: January 07, 2021, 10:25:21 am »

They came as soon as their help was requested by the Capitol Police.  The D.C. metropolitan police have no authority within the area controlled by the Capitol Police until they are summoned by the latter.  (Code of the District of Columbia, §10–503.19.)  The D.C. National Guard, state police from neighboring Maryland and Virginia, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and law enforcement officers from several other federal agencies came to the Capitol when their assistance was requested.
So where was the Capitol Police?  What orders were given before the demonstrations and by who?  If a bunch of stupid demonstrators armed only with anger can get into Congress so easily, what does that say about security against a real threat?  Heads should roll.

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« Reply #5378 on: January 07, 2021, 10:31:45 am »

So where was the Capitol Police?  What orders were given before the demonstrations and by who?  If a bunch of stupid demonstrators armed only with anger can get into Congress so easily, what does that say about security against a real threat?  Heads should roll.

An obvious deflection. The Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor and he wants us to examine how the MPs on base could have allowed this to happen. Plenty of time for Monday morning quarterbacking. Let's stay focused on the issue: an angry mob of Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol causing death and destruction. I'd like to focus a little more on Trump whipping this group into a frenzy. I'll see if I can find a transcript of his incitement to riot. Let's start with a few of lies he spewed out to the crowd yesterday morning:

"- Vice President Mike Pence, who presides over the counting of the electoral votes, directly contradicted Trump’s baseless claim that somehow Pence could overturn the election results and declare Trump the winner.

- Trump falsely claimed that Pennsylvania had “205,000 more ballots then [it] had voters.” That figure comes from a flawed partisan analysis that was “based on incomplete and inaccurate data,” according to the Pennsylvania Department of State.

- He falsely claimed that “more than 10,000 votes in Pennsylvania were illegally counted, even though they were received after Election Day.” About 10,000 ballots arrived within three days after the election, but they have not been counted, pending a court ruling.

- Trump reprised a familiar false claim about “thousands” of dead people voting, as many as 8,000 in Pennsylvania and 10,300 in Georgia. But there has been only one verified report in Pennsylvania, as of Dec. 20, and two in Georgia.

- Trump wrongly claimed that in Georgia “an illegal and unconstitutional settlement agreement … drastically weakened signature verification.” The state strengthened its signature matching processes, says Georgia’s Republican secretary of state.

- The president falsely claimed that “Georgia’s absentee ballot rejection rate was more than 10 times lower than previous levels.” He is wrongly comparing the rate of ballots rejected for signature issues in this election — which is roughly the same rate it has been in recent elections — to the number of ballots rejected in past elections for all reasons, usually for being received too late.

- He falsely claimed that Republican poll watchers in Fulton County, Georgia, were told to leave “under the false pretense of a pipe burst” and then election officials pulled “suitcases of ballots out from under a table.” Poll watchers were not told to leave after a water leak, and videos show boxes of legitimate ballots –not “fraudulent” ones — pulled from under a table.

- Trump falsely claimed that “66,000 votes in Georgia were cast by individuals under the legal voting age.” The Republican official who oversees Georgia’s voting system said, “The actual number is zero.”

- In a tweet before his speech, Trump wrongly claimed Georgia “just happened to find 50,000 ballots late last night” in the Georgia Senate run-off election. Georgia election officials say those were routine absentee ballots being counted.

-Trump claimed without evidence that more than 36,000 ballots “were illegally cast by noncitizens” in Arizona. The secretary of state’s office said about 23,000 eligible voters didn’t submit proof of citizenship with their applications but legally attested to their eligiblity.

- He falsely claimed “11,600 more ballots and votes were counted … than there were actual voters” in Arizona. In fact, turnout was about 80% of registered voters.

- Trump falsely said “150,000 people” registered in Maricopa County, Arizona, “after the registration deadline.” Fewer than 20,000 voters registered during a legal extension of the original deadline."

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/trumps-falsehood-filled-save-america-rally/

Can anyone identify a pattern?

Exaggerations? Aspirational statements? Sarcasm? He is just a real estate salesman from Queens?

No. These are deliberate lies by a narcissistic megalomaniac specifically calculated to stir up violent outrage among his supporters.
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« Reply #5379 on: January 07, 2021, 11:24:25 am »

That some people seek to excuse or explain away a fascist president and sedition by his supporters, speaks volumes about those individuals' concern for truth and democracy.
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