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« Reply #12940 on: December 23, 2021, 06:08:08 pm »

PolitiFact has announced their annual Lie of the Year for 2021. Last year it was Coronavirus Downplay and Denial. This year's Lie of the Year is: Lies About the Jan. 6 Capitol Attack and Its Significance.

Here's a little over 4-minute video explaining their choice...

https://www.youtube.com/Announcing: PolitiFact’s 2021 Lie of the Year

The article can be found at the link below. As usual, they provide a long list of source links at the end.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/politifacts-2021-lie-of-the-year-lies-about-the-jan-6-capitol-attack-and-its-significance
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« Reply #12941 on: December 23, 2021, 08:53:15 pm »

That well-known commie mouthpiece NPR's "Fresh Air" has a good podcast on how citizens are doing the underfunded FBI's work for them and enabling arrests and charges that might otherwise never happen.

This interview, which aired today, offers insights on how the FBI is in many ways behind the times, and has been aided immeasurably by civilians poring over social media from Jan 6 -- including one woman who went in undercover to an internet dating site and nailed several of the insurrectionists. It's distressing to hear how overwhelmed the justice system was - and is - in the aftermath of Jan 6, but heartening that so many civilians rose to meet the challenge. At 40 minutes or so, it's definitely worth a listen:



https://www.npr.org/podcasts/381444908/fresh-air

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« Reply #12942 on: December 24, 2021, 08:05:13 am »

BARDA is an agency under the Executive Branch run by the president.  Just like Biden is responsible for the pullout in Afghanistan because he's in charge of the military, Trump was responsible for everything that went on with BARDA and other agencies involved with the vaccines. They all report to him.  The president is responsible for their activity.   

So if they failed, he would have gotten the blame just as Biden was blamed for the disastrous pullout in Afghanistan.  But the vaccine was a success and came out quickly, much ahead of Biden and Democrats claiming they would not come out before the spring of 2021 through possibly years later.  Many democrats claimed they wouldn't take the "Trump" vaccine.  They were the first on line when it did come out. They were wrong and Trump kept his promise and executed flawlessly.  Americans received millions of doses earlier than most expected.

All the stuff you're writing is superfluous and just another Trump hit job. 
This is why Trump didn't depend on BARDA. Operation Warp Speed was his doing.  The following is what happens when a president is asleep at the switch.

The Biden administration has yet to sign a single contract for the 500 million COVID-19 tests promised, report says
-The White House promised 500 million free COVID-19 tests for Americans on Tuesday.

-However, no contracts have been signed yet, The New York Times reported Thursday.

-The website for ordering the tests also won't be live until January, the White House said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-administration-yet-sign-single-100615447.html

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« Reply #12943 on: December 24, 2021, 08:09:30 am »

Why does the administration need a website to order?  Can't the president make a phone call?  Maybe they should order through Amazon.  :) 

"Mr. President.  The Russians are invading the Ukraine."

"Well, we can't order up our tanks until I can get my wi-fi working." 

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« Reply #12944 on: December 24, 2021, 09:07:26 am »

This is why Trump didn't depend on BARDA.

The entire country has depended on BARDA. BARDA selected the vaccine candidates, allocated the funding, oversaw development and clinical trials, provided a single point of contact for manufacturers with the government to simplify and speed contracts and approvals, coordinated the FDA Emergency Use Authorizations, and expedited production by funding and coordinating any needed infrastructure to speed manufacturing and increase capacity and supply.

These are exactly the tasks that BARDA was created to perform, along with eliminating the need for manufacturers and suppliers to run thru a government maze in order to get funding, approvals, authorizations, and assistance.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/US-BARDA-Funding-Covid-Vaccines-Development

Here's an independent tracker of BARDA COVID-19 funding for for research, development, manufacturing, and procurement....

https://www.citizen.org/article/BARDA-Funding-Tracker

I'd say they accomplished quite a lot.

But at the same time... BARDA has also done all of the above in acquiring FDA Emergency Use Authorization for 26 BARDA-supported SARSCoV-2/COVID-19 diagnostic tests.

https://www.medicalcountermeasures.gov/BARDA/COVID19 Diagnostic Portfolio

Operation Warp Speed was his doing.

Operation Warp Speed was his branding. A dedicated team at BARDA provided the doing.
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« Reply #12945 on: December 24, 2021, 09:17:12 am »

The entire country has depended on BARDA. BARDA selected the vaccine candidates, allocated the funding, oversaw development and clinical trials, provided a single point of contact for manufacturers with the government to simplify and speed contracts and approvals, coordinated the FDA Emergency Use Authorizations, and expedited production by funding and coordinating any needed infrastructure to speed manufacturing and increase capacity and supply.

These are exactly the tasks that BARDA was created to perform, along with eliminating the need for manufacturers and suppliers to run thru a government maze in order to get funding, approvals, authorizations, and assistance.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/US-BARDA-Funding-Covid-Vaccines-Development

Here's an independent tracker of BARDA COVID-19 funding for for research, development, manufacturing, and procurement....

https://www.citizen.org/article/BARDA-Funding-Tracker

I'd say they accomplished quite a lot.

But at the same time... BARDA has also done all of the above in acquiring FDA Emergency Use Authorization for 26 BARDA-supported SARSCoV-2/COVID-19 diagnostic tests.

https://www.medicalcountermeasures.gov/BARDA/COVID19 Diagnostic Portfolio

Operation Warp Speed was his branding. A dedicated team at BARDA provided the doing.
Why didn't BARDA order the tests for Biden?

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« Reply #12946 on: December 24, 2021, 09:18:10 am »

I guess the internet ordering line is down for them too.  ::)

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« Reply #12947 on: December 24, 2021, 09:26:50 am »

https://www.healthaffairs.org/It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success

It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success

The success of the US COVID-19 vaccine effort didn’t happen on its own; it was enabled by decades of long-term investments by the federal government, followed by additional federal investment in the development of the COVID-19 vaccines themselves. The government invested extensively in every aspect of the basic science, preclinical development, and clinical trials for the vaccines; it executed procurement contracts that were critical to creating successful vaccines and ensuring they were available to the US public.

In the case of vaccines in general, the government often plays an outsized role, but in the era of COVID-19 the government’s role was even more central than usual. The government essentially removed the bulk of traditional industry risks related to vaccine development: a) scientific failures, b) failures to demonstrate safety and efficacy, c) manufacturing risks; and d) market risks related to low demand.

Since 2000, taxpayer dollars have financed the development of various vaccine platforms for HIV, pandemic flu, and other threats to public health. In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the government leveraged investments in those platforms in three ways. First, it supported additional preclinical studies. Second, it absorbed the bulk of human testing costs and risk through a set of contracts that paid for the various phases of vaccine development and manufacturing. And third, it reduced manufacturing risk by underwriting capacity investments.

Estimates of direct public spending on the development and manufacturing of COVID-19 vaccines vary considerably based on the range of sources examined and the timing of data collection. Recent estimates from the Congressional Research Service, the Government Accountability Office, and Chad Brown and Thomas Bollyky along with data on the GHIAA.org and Devex websites provide government spending estimates of between $18 billion and $23 billion. Most recently the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the Biomedical Research and Development Authority (BARDA) alone has spent $19.3 billion on COVID-19 vaccine development. In addition, Lisa Cornish projected $39.5 billion in US spending.

These funds, which have attenuated industry risk in developing COVID-19 vaccines, are on top of years of government-funded vaccine research that set the platforms for the current successes.

Likewise, BARDA has for years invested in the messenger RNA (or mRNA) platform for vaccine development, the technology used in the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. Since 2006, Congress has appropriated hundreds of millions of dollars that BARDA used to develop the scientific infrastructure to produce vaccines in response to the threat of pandemic flu. Thus, the basic research undergirding the COVID-19 vaccines was largely publicly supported.

More at link above...

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« Reply #12948 on: December 24, 2021, 09:53:19 am »

https://www.healthaffairs.org/It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success

It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success

The success of the US COVID-19 vaccine effort didn’t happen on its own; it was enabled by decades of long-term investments by the federal government, followed by additional federal investment in the development of the COVID-19 vaccines themselves. The government invested extensively in every aspect of the basic science, preclinical development, and clinical trials for the vaccines; it executed procurement contracts that were critical to creating successful vaccines and ensuring they were available to the US public.

In the case of vaccines in general, the government often plays an outsized role, but in the era of COVID-19 the government’s role was even more central than usual. The government essentially removed the bulk of traditional industry risks related to vaccine development: a) scientific failures, b) failures to demonstrate safety and efficacy, c) manufacturing risks; and d) market risks related to low demand.

Since 2000, taxpayer dollars have financed the development of various vaccine platforms for HIV, pandemic flu, and other threats to public health. In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the government leveraged investments in those platforms in three ways. First, it supported additional preclinical studies. Second, it absorbed the bulk of human testing costs and risk through a set of contracts that paid for the various phases of vaccine development and manufacturing. And third, it reduced manufacturing risk by underwriting capacity investments.

Estimates of direct public spending on the development and manufacturing of COVID-19 vaccines vary considerably based on the range of sources examined and the timing of data collection. Recent estimates from the Congressional Research Service, the Government Accountability Office, and Chad Brown and Thomas Bollyky along with data on the GHIAA.org and Devex websites provide government spending estimates of between $18 billion and $23 billion. Most recently the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the Biomedical Research and Development Authority (BARDA) alone has spent $19.3 billion on COVID-19 vaccine development. In addition, Lisa Cornish projected $39.5 billion in US spending.

These funds, which have attenuated industry risk in developing COVID-19 vaccines, are on top of years of government-funded vaccine research that set the platforms for the current successes.

Likewise, BARDA has for years invested in the messenger RNA (or mRNA) platform for vaccine development, the technology used in the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. Since 2006, Congress has appropriated hundreds of millions of dollars that BARDA used to develop the scientific infrastructure to produce vaccines in response to the threat of pandemic flu. Thus, the basic research undergirding the COVID-19 vaccines was largely publicly supported.

More at link above...


The three authors of that article all worked for the Obama administration in health preparedness in the Dept of Health and Human Services.   Do you think they would admit that the government wasn't ready? Of course, they wouldn't give Trump any credit either. 

You really need to source your "proof" better.

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« Reply #12949 on: December 24, 2021, 09:58:16 am »

The three authors of that article all worked for the Obama administration in health preparedness in the Dept of Health and Human Services.

So the authors have some first hand knowledge on the subject. That's helpful.

Care to point out the factual errors that you found before you put the blinders back on?
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« Reply #12950 on: December 24, 2021, 09:58:46 am »

Why didn't BARDA order the tests for Biden?

The decision to provide free home test kits to every household was announced on Tuesday and you're surprised that it takes more than two days to get contracts signed with suppliers? Maybe you thought they were going to come from Santa's workshop and magically arrive on Christmas Day.
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« Reply #12951 on: December 24, 2021, 11:09:21 am »

The decision to provide free home test kits to every household was announced on Tuesday and you're surprised that it takes more than two days to get contracts signed with suppliers? Maybe you thought they were going to come from Santa's workshop and magically arrive on Christmas Day.

If Alan steps in dog poop or burns his toast or it rains on his picnic he will blame Biden. Get used to it, it is meaningless.
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« Reply #12952 on: December 24, 2021, 11:19:45 am »

So the authors have some first hand knowledge on the subject. That's helpful.

Care to point out the factual errors that you found before you put the blinders back on?
government agencies are essentially worthless and ineffective without an effective leader which is the president. 

The president effects policy and urgency. Just like Afghanistan pull-out was screwed up, that was the president's doing. If BARDA is so effective, why are there no test kits available? Why do we have to wait for the internet to go back online in January so they can place an order.  Ehat kind of incompetence is that they doing up there in Washington. They can't make a phone call and order these test kits?

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« Reply #12953 on: December 24, 2021, 11:23:20 am »

The decision to provide free home test kits to every household was announced on Tuesday and you're surprised that it takes more than two days to get contracts signed with suppliers? Maybe you thought they were going to come from Santa's workshop and magically arrive on Christmas Day.
Why did the president just ask Tuesday? He's been in office for almost a year. People have been clamoring to test kits for a while now. .

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« Reply #12954 on: December 24, 2021, 11:26:12 am »

 
If Alan steps in dog poop or burns his toast or it rains on his picnic he will blame Biden. Get used to it, it is meaningless.
You blamed Trump for four years. Now it's my turn.  :D

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« Reply #12955 on: December 24, 2021, 11:36:59 am »

Why does the administration need a website to order?  Can't the president make a phone call?  Maybe they should order through Amazon.  :) 

"Mr. President.  The Russians are invading the Ukraine."

"Well, we can't order up our tanks until I can get my wi-fi working." 

Why do we have to wait for the internet to go back online in January so they can place an order.  Ehat kind of incompetence is that they doing up there in Washington. They can't make a phone call and order these test kits?

Really? Sometimes your inability to comprehend what you read is just unbelievable.

Try reading it again. Ordering online in January is referring to people being able to place an order with the government to have test kits delivered to their home. It is NOT referring to the government placing orders with suppliers.

I'm done with this waste of time for awhile.
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« Reply #12956 on: December 24, 2021, 11:49:07 am »

Really? Sometimes your inability to comprehend what you read is just unbelievable.
"Sometimes" is being kind.
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« Reply #12957 on: December 24, 2021, 03:07:13 pm »

Really? Sometimes your inability to comprehend what you read is just unbelievable.

Try reading it again. Ordering online in January is referring to people being able to place an order with the government to have test kits delivered to their home. It is NOT referring to the government placing orders with suppliers.

I'm done with this waste of time for awhile.
The way they wrote it was confusing. But I agree with you that it refers to people ordering the kits.  Meanwhile, the contract has not been signed by the president, shipments might start weeks from now, and all won't be available up to ten to twelve months.  Biden was not prepared.  At least Trump got the vaccines out; ahead of most people's schedule.

NY Times: Biden Promised 500 Million Tests, but Americans Will Have to Wait
Contracts to purchase tests could be signed as soon as next week, but relief could be weeks away for people trying to buy the hard-to-find tests.
President Biden promised Americans he is making 500 million coronavirus tests available free of charge, but help is at least weeks away — if not longer — for anxious Americans facing a surge of new virus cases.

Mr. Biden’s administration has not yet signed a contract to buy the tests, and the website to order them will not be up until January. Officials have not said how many tests people will be able to order or how quickly they will be shipped once they begin to be available next month. Manufacturers say they are already producing tests as fast as they can.

As a candidate, Mr. Biden excoriated the lack of testing during the Trump administration, saying in March 2020 that “the administration’s failure on testing is colossal, and it’s a failure of planning, leadership and execution.” But the Omicron variant caught the White House off guard, as the president has acknowledged, and cases have far outstripped the government’s ability to make tests available.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/us/politics/covid-tests-biden-omicron.html

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« Reply #12958 on: December 24, 2021, 03:15:58 pm »

The way they wrote it was confusing.
To you, accepted.
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At least Trump got the vaccines out; ahead of most people's schedule.
Another assumption and generalization speaking for 'most people'.

What you write:
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Meanwhile, the contract has not been signed by the president, shipments might start weeks from now, and all won't be available up to ten to twelve months.
What was written by the NY Times that you didn't read, or understand, or maybe accept:
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Contracts to purchase tests could be signed as soon as next week, but relief could be weeks away for people trying to buy the hard-to-find tests.
Alan might read the data provided and might, spin what he reads to suite his opinions.

Why even worry about testing Alan:
So now that Covid is on the way out, we're left with the economic damage.
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« Reply #12959 on: December 24, 2021, 03:21:54 pm »

Meanwhile, on the hypocrisy hit list:

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Noted vaccine skeptic Marjorie Taylor Greene rakes in cash from vaccine makers
The Republican congresswoman — who recently boasted about not being vaccinated against Covid-19 — owns thousands of dollars worth of stock in vaccine manufacturers.
Insider’s analysis found Greene’s stock in the vaccine makers is worth between $1,000 and $15,000 each.
She’s repeatedly compared vaccine distribution in America to the Holocaust, including during a recent interview when she claimed “vaccine Nazis” are “ruining our country.”
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