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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #380 on: August 09, 2020, 09:36:40 am »

Both sides are playing politics with Covid because this is election season, unfortunately. But the funding in any case is mainly for economic support of the unemployed and businesses.  People are going to get sick and die regardless and sadly.   By bringing up deaths with an economics bill, you're playing politics with it.

Of course it's politics. Duh. But nothing is purer politics than Trump's executive order which is nothing more than an attempt to buy votes.
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« Reply #381 on: August 09, 2020, 09:58:58 am »

I know that reporting another Trump lie is like the headline "Sun rises in east," (at least that is only once a day), but this deserves mention. At his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed credit for passing and signing the Veterans Choice Act, which in fact was signed by Obama in 2014. When a reporter called him on this he stomped off stage. It seems he has told this lie some 150 times!! And this is the first time he has been directly challenged on it, which is hard to reconcile with claims that the press is unduly harsh on him.
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« Reply #382 on: August 09, 2020, 10:58:11 am »

Just commenting on your cold view of the people that lost their lives...and your insistence of the economic effects of Covid. Lines up with Trump's views.
I presented no such views.  You attacked me personally and judged my moral standing to try to gain an advantage rather than presenting arguments to bolster any positions you may have.   

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« Reply #383 on: August 09, 2020, 10:59:50 am »

Of course it's politics. Duh. But nothing is purer politics than Trump's executive order which is nothing more than an attempt to buy votes.
I agree.

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #384 on: August 09, 2020, 11:04:41 am »

I know that reporting another Trump lie is like the headline "Sun rises in east," (at least that is only once a day), but this deserves mention. At his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed credit for passing and signing the Veterans Choice Act, which in fact was signed by Obama in 2014. When a reporter called him on this he stomped off stage. It seems he has told this lie some 150 times!! And this is the first time he has been directly challenged on it, which is hard to reconcile with claims that the press is unduly harsh on him.


Yea, he fixed the crap signed by Obama...
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html
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« Reply #385 on: August 09, 2020, 11:16:26 am »

I know that reporting another Trump lie is like the headline "Sun rises in east," (at least that is only once a day), but this deserves mention. At his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed credit for passing and signing the Veterans Choice Act, which in fact was signed by Obama in 2014. When a reporter called him on this he stomped off stage. It seems he has told this lie some 150 times!! And this is the first time he has been directly challenged on it, which is hard to reconcile with claims that the press is unduly harsh on him.
In 2019, Trump replaced Obama's 2014 Veterans Choice Act with a better one called the VA Mission Act. The left wing news does not want to recognize how Trump is cleaning up a defective Veterans Administration that has plague the country for years.  Vets had been dying en masse waiting for care and appointments with VA doctors. It was a disgrace.  You no longer read about that kind of stuff because Trump cleaned up a lot of that delinquency.  Just like the press ignores how Trump cleaned up ISIS that Obama left, they don't want to acknowledge any of Trump's successes.  I'd walk out of the news conference too if I was challenged with a set-up question that tried to embarrass me.  The left wing press is just playing political games. 

Military News
Trump Signs $55 Billion Bill to Replace VA Choice Program
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html
 President Donald Trump signed a landmark bill Wednesday to replace the troubled Veterans Choice Program and expand private health care options amid a fight between the White House and Congress over how to pay for it.

The bill, the VA Mission Act, would also expand caregivers assistance to the families of disabled veterans and order an inventory of the Department of Veterans Affairs' more than 1,100 facilities with a long-term view to trimming excess.

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #386 on: August 09, 2020, 11:40:19 am »

This is rich...even I could not believe it of Trump. But true. He wants his face on Mt. Rushmore. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html
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« Reply #387 on: August 09, 2020, 11:40:58 am »

Election season is silly season.  I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do?  Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies?  They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs.  How uninspiring.

NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
Political correctness has now expanded to space, where NASA says planets, galaxies and other heavenly bodies will no longer be referred to by “offensive” nicknames.
In a press release Thursday, the space agency said that all planets and heavenly bodies will be referred only to by their scientific names,  the Houston Chronicle reported.
Under the new rules, the “Eskimo Nebula,” discovered in 1787 by William Hershel, will only be referred to as NGC 2392.
The so-called “Siamese Twins Galaxy” will likewise be known only as NGC 4567 and NGC 4568.
“As the scientific community works to identify and address systemic discrimination and inequality in all aspects of the field, it has become clear that certain cosmic nicknames are not only insensitive but can be actively harmful,” the agency said in a news release.
“NASA is examining its use of unofficial terminology for cosmic objects as part of its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”
NASA’s Associate Administrator for Diversity and Equal Opportunity, Stephen T. Shih agreed, saying “These nicknames and terms may have historical or culture connotations that are objectionable or unwelcoming, and NASA is strongly committed to addressing them.”[/i]

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #388 on: August 09, 2020, 12:01:08 pm »

Election season is silly season.  I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do?  Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies?  They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs.  How uninspiring.

NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies

What about black holes and big bang theory?
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #389 on: August 09, 2020, 12:10:03 pm »

Election season is silly season.  I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do?  Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies?  They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs.  How uninspiring.

NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
Political correctness has now expanded to space, where NASA says planets, galaxies and other heavenly bodies will no longer be referred to by “offensive” nicknames.
In a press release Thursday, the space agency said that all planets and heavenly bodies will be referred only to by their scientific names,  the Houston Chronicle reported.
Under the new rules, the “Eskimo Nebula,” discovered in 1787 by William Hershel, will only be referred to as NGC 2392.
The so-called “Siamese Twins Galaxy” will likewise be known only as NGC 4567 and NGC 4568.
“As the scientific community works to identify and address systemic discrimination and inequality in all aspects of the field, it has become clear that certain cosmic nicknames are not only insensitive but can be actively harmful,” the agency said in a news release.
“NASA is examining its use of unofficial terminology for cosmic objects as part of its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”
NASA’s Associate Administrator for Diversity and Equal Opportunity, Stephen T. Shih agreed, saying “These nicknames and terms may have historical or culture connotations that are objectionable or unwelcoming, and NASA is strongly committed to addressing them.”[/i]

I don't see any problem calling celestial objects by their scientific names. Usually this takes a generation to implement. Old folks will continue to use the offensive names, but new students will learn the night skies by the technical names.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #390 on: August 09, 2020, 12:54:23 pm »

I don't see any problem calling celestial objects by their scientific names. Usually this takes a generation to implement. Old folks will continue to use the offensive names, but new students will learn the night skies by the technical names.
I think I'll rename my second wife from Janet to WF-02.  That ought to help our relationship.

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #391 on: August 09, 2020, 12:58:28 pm »

"I don't see any problem calling celestial objects by their scientific names. Usually this takes a generation to implement. Old folks will continue to use the offensive names, but new students will learn the night skies by the technical names."

Give me a break. Will NGC 69 even be allowed or will big brother NASA ban that as well?
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« Reply #392 on: August 09, 2020, 12:59:40 pm »

What about black holes and big bang theory?

Love it!!!
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« Reply #393 on: August 09, 2020, 01:59:52 pm »

They'll have to change Dean Martin's song from "When the Moon hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, that's Amore." to "When the CGV-01 Hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, That's Amore".  Or how about "Harvest CVG-01".  Now that's romantic. Or the 1934 Rogers and Hart foot tapper "Blue CVG-01" 

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« Reply #394 on: August 09, 2020, 03:47:53 pm »

They'll have to change Dean Martin's song from "When the Moon hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, that's Amore." to "When the CGV-01 Hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, That's Amore".  Or how about "Harvest CVG-01".  Now that's romantic. Or the 1934 Rogers and Hart foot tapper "Blue CVG-01"

My fave in this genre of jokes is "Great Balls of Fire" will become "Large Testicles of Combustion"
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« Reply #395 on: August 09, 2020, 04:58:48 pm »

Election season is silly season.  I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do?  Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies?  They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs.  How uninspiring.

NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
Political correctness has now expanded to space, where NASA says planets, galaxies and other heavenly bodies will no longer be referred to by “offensive” nicknames.
In a press release Thursday, the space agency said that all planets and heavenly bodies will be referred only to by their scientific names,  the Houston Chronicle reported.
Under the new rules, the “Eskimo Nebula,” discovered in 1787 by William Hershel, will only be referred to as NGC 2392.
The so-called “Siamese Twins Galaxy” will likewise be known only as NGC 4567 and NGC 4568.
“As the scientific community works to identify and address systemic discrimination and inequality in all aspects of the field, it has become clear that certain cosmic nicknames are not only insensitive but can be actively harmful,” the agency said in a news release.
“NASA is examining its use of unofficial terminology for cosmic objects as part of its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”
NASA’s Associate Administrator for Diversity and Equal Opportunity, Stephen T. Shih agreed, saying “These nicknames and terms may have historical or culture connotations that are objectionable or unwelcoming, and NASA is strongly committed to addressing them.”[/i]

This is a non problem.
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« Reply #396 on: August 09, 2020, 05:18:37 pm »

So when is the United States going to go metric? I'm pretty sure the resistance is being funded by the calculator industry. What do you use a calculator for besides conversions?
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« Reply #397 on: August 09, 2020, 05:27:07 pm »

So when is the United States going to go metric?

As the joke goes: The USA will go metric, but it's inch by inch ...
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« Reply #398 on: August 09, 2020, 07:31:02 pm »

White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html

What? Not his own mountain? I can't imagine him wanting to share the limelight. Maybe only his face would be illuminated at night.
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« Reply #399 on: August 09, 2020, 07:48:21 pm »

White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html

What? Not his own mountain? I can't imagine him wanting to share the limelight. Maybe only his face would be illuminated at night.

Mount Rushmore Is Federal property.  The Governor of S Dakota has no say in it.  You would have thought the vaunted New York Times crack staff could have figured out that one tiny detail.
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