Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Craig Lamson]

How am I untruthful?

On Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
On Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”
On Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
On Feb 25, Trump promised that a vaccine would be available soon. “Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,”
On Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
On Feb. 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
On Feb 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle”
On March 4, Trump contradicted public health experts’ estimates of the death rate for Covid-19 — based on a “hunch.”
On the same day, Trump also compared coronavirus with the flu and he mentioned that the coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.
On March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
On March 7, Trump said that anyone who wants a test for Covid-19 can get one. (maybe in the future, but not in February or March.)
On March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

How is this not downplaying the risk for American citizens? How is this not awfully wrong? How has this not delayed awareness and action? How has this not killed people?

The duty of apology is yours. Not to me, to your fellow countrymen.

Cheers,
Bernard

Game over.

[LesPalenik]

Yesterday, US President Donald Trump has made another foolish move, calling on US manufacturer 3M to stop shipping N95 masks to Canada and other countries.
While the US is in the same boat as most countries (including Canada), interfering with the manufacturing could hurt American public more than the shortsighted mask export ban.

The one thing Trump didn't know that much of the pulp used to make N95 masks in the US comes from British Columbia in Canada. The other thing he may not know that China is now producing some 200 million masks a day and make killing exporting them to other countries who need them. 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says “millions” of masks are expected to arrive in the next two days and his government won’t retaliate against the U.S. after the White House requested a medical device manufacturer to stop exporting N95 face masks to Canada.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-to-receive-millions-of-masks-won-t-retaliate-for-u-s-ban-on-3m-exports-pm-1.4882563

[LesPalenik]

You seriously comparing Trump to Trudeau. Please don't embarrass yourself.

Right. Trudeau has much nicer hair and wears more stylish socks. He can also read.

[hogloff]

I see New York received 1000 ventilators from China. Maybe those commies aren't that bad after all. Oh wait...maybe the ventilators are booby trapped and will release the virus at midnight. Or maybe they are bugged and will be used to take down the Internet.

[JoeKitchen]

So enlight us, what’s your estimate of the % of the US population who voted for Trump 3 years ago?

Cheers,
Bernard

Man, this is going to piss you off; I wish I could see your face when you read this! 

46% for Trump to 48% for Hillary was the popular vote. 

Hillary got more votes overall, but Trump won the electoral vote, which is what matters. 

See, you don't know quite as much as you think you do about USA civics, and, well, one of our most esteem authors can tell you something about that! 

[Craig Lamson]

46% for Trump to 47% for Hillary I believe was the popular vote. 

Hillary got more votes overall, I know that, but Trump won the electoral vote, which is what matters.  See, you don't know quite as much as you think you do about USA civics, and, well, one of our most esteem authors can tell you something about that!

More to Bernard’s useless point, it’s not the percentage of the population that matters but those who actually used their rights as Americans to vote...and who were of voting age.

[BernardLanguillier]

Man, this is going to piss you off; I wish I could see your face when you read this! 

46% for Trump to 48% for Hillary was the popular vote. 

Hillary got more votes overall, but Trump won the electoral vote, which is what matters. 

See, you don't know quite as much as you think you do about USA civics, and, well, one of our most esteem authors can tell you something about that!

I see... and what % of Americans in legal age to vote did cast a vote, meaning did participate in the election?

While you are at it, what % of Americans are in legal age to vote/have the right to vote?

Cheers,
Bernard

[Craig Lamson]

I see New York received 1000 ventilators from China. Maybe those commies aren't that bad after all. Oh wait...maybe the ventilators are booby trapped and will release the virus at midnight. Or maybe they are bugged and will be used to take down the Internet.

Or maybe they feel guilty for  killing people all over the world and are trying to rehab their reputation.

[BernardLanguillier]

More to Bernard’s useless point, it’s not the percentage of the population that matters but those who actually used their rights as Americans to vote...and who were of voting age.

That matters to whatever point you are trying to make.

But that’s not what I wrote above when I quoted 25%. I wrote that only 25% of the population voted for Trump.

Is that factually mistaken?

Cheers,
Bernard

[JoeKitchen]

I see... and what % of Americans in legal age to vote did cast a vote, meaning did participate in the election?

While you are at it, what % of Americans are in legal age to vote/have the right to vote?

Cheers,
Bernard

That does not matter. 

As far as I am concerned, if you're of legal age and dont vote, your opinion is meaningless.  You have already told us that is what you feel by by not voting. 

If you are not of legal age, I could care less about your opinion.  You're a child, and don't have the life experiences to have a clue about anything.  How can a 16 year, who's never fallen in love and still a virgin, never dealt with a mortgage, never had a car payment, never had to deal with life altering consequences they themselves brought onto not only themselves but others, never dealt with death repeatably, never had to plan a funeral and be the executor of an estate of a loved one, never had to watch their finances dwindle due to a recession, etc, have any clue to be able to make an informed decision? 

[BernardLanguillier]

Or maybe they feel guilty for  killing people all over the world and are trying to rehab their reputation.

Such a racist comment.

I apologize on behalf of LL to the Chinese community. Rest assured that the view expressed by Craig is only his own.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

Well, you must be reading different news than me.
Here are some of Trump's most blatant comments and lies on coronavirus:

On Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
On Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”
On Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
On Feb 25, Trump promised that a vaccine would be available soon. “Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,”
On Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
On Feb. 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
On Feb 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle”
On March 4, Trump contradicted public health experts’ estimates of the death rate for Covid-19 — based on a “hunch.”
On the same day, Trump also compared coronavirus with the flu and he mentioned that the coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.
On March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
On March 7, Trump said that anyone who wants a test for Covid-19 can get one. (maybe in the future, but not in February or March.)
On March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

Today, he mentioned the possibility of opening churches for Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday services. What a great idea!

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the US was the most prepared country in the world. Yeah, with most infections in the world.

Les, Your PM acknowledge he didn't take many measures he should have.  While Trump stopped some international travel to America as early as January, Trudeau didn't do it until March.

"Canada, however, didn’t take significant steps to restrict international travellers until mid-March. On Monday, Trudeau — asked whether that should have happened earlier — seemed to acknowledge that with the benefit of hindsight, more could have been done."

The point is none of us has hindsight and no one wanted to over react.  Why is the focus only on Trump's lack of foretelling the future?  Every leader missed things in this crisis.  Frankly, a lot of what happened all around is luck.  No one should count their chickens before they hatch.  It's not over and could come back to haunt us again.  At a minimum, we're all going to have to deal with the enormous economic costs.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6753297/coronavirus-trudeau-covid-us-cases/

[BernardLanguillier]

That does not matter. 

As far as I am concerned, if you're of legal age and dont vote, your opinion is meaningless.  You have already told us that is what you feel by by not voting. 

If you are not of legal age, I could care less about your opinion.  You're a child, and don't have the life experiences to have any clue about anything.

Craig accused me of insulting Americans. I answered that my grief was only about the 25% who voted for Trump.

What is the relevance to this discussion of the % of voters who voted for Trump?

The answer is... none.

Are you going to withdraw your condescending comments about my understanding of the system and apologize?

Cheers,
Bernard

[Craig Lamson]

Craig accused me of insulting Americans. I answered that my grief was only about the 25% who voted for Trump.

What is the relevance to this discussion of the % of voters who voted for Trump?

The answer is... none.

Are you going to withdraw your condescending comments about my understanding of the system and apologize?

Cheers,
Bernard

You owe this forum an apology.  Period. 

[Alan Klein]

Thanks Craig,

I just skimmed it and it looks interesting.  What is really bogging me down here is that everyone is treating this as a binary option, either we fully lock down or not.  I saw the article talks about an in between method that I think needs to be implemented real soon or chaos will break out. 

If we had shut down any other industry then the restaurant industry I would say we have a little more time and can relax a bit more.  But those in the service industry have been out of a job for 3 weeks now, and, being a former restaurant employee, I can tell you 60+% of those people will be out of money in another week, two max.  They are not known to be the most understanding of people, and I know for a fact they will start loosing their shit soon. 

It is going to happen. 

But it just annoys me the liberal elites are pushing for this total lockdown and not considering a in between method.  Recently other NYC photographers I know (not on here) started making fun of the governor of OK for him saying it does not make sense for his entire state to lockdown.  They thought they know best, being NYC elitists, yet completely ignored it is planting season, which follows a strict schedule especially when you need to get two harvests from your land a year.  It is shit like this that is annoying the hell out of me. 

We can lock down everyone.  We need plans that take into account geography and ages, or it is not going to work because people will just simply get back to work. 

If I was a farmer in the mid-west this time of year, I would give a rats ass what anyone had to say about staying inside.  I would have plants I need to get into the ground right now, and anyone who says otherwise can screw themselves.  This is the mentality we will be dealing with, especially as bank accounts of lower income people start to run dry. 

I saw some statistics today that show lower income people are suffering more being out of work than those paid better.  It seems that at the lower end, more service jobs like waiters have been laid off.  On the other hand, many middle income people who work in offices, have been able to work from home.  They're continuing to get their salaries.  So shutting down the economy is hurting those least able to tolerate it. They're the ones who are unemployed the most.

[JoeKitchen]

Craig accused me of insulting Americans. I answered that my grief was only about the 25% who voted for Trump.

What is the relevance to this discussion of the % of voters who voted for Trump?

The answer is... none.

Are you going to withdraw your condescending comments about my understanding of the system and apologize?

Cheers,
Bernard

As far as I am concerned, the people who did not vote are of no consequence to the conversation.  They are meaningless, nothing but shadows in the political system, and not to be cared about when discussing politics.  Like I said, either they are young and their voices are meaningless when it come decision making due to their lack of wisdom or they decided to not vote and tell us they themselves dont enough care about their opinions, at least not enough to vote. 

The fact remains, it was 46% of us who actually matter that voted for Trump.

So no. 

However, I will send you an olive branch.  When you apologize for saying all us Trump voters and republicans have the blood of the dead on our hands, I'll apologize for my condescending post about USA civics. 

[Craig Lamson]

That matters to whatever point you are trying to make.

But that’s not what I wrote above when I quoted 25%. I wrote that only 25% of the population voted for Trump.

Is that factually mistaken?

Cheers,
Bernard

It’s a meaningless.  Learn to live with your failures.

[Alan Klein]

   

You seriously comparing Trump to Trudeau. Please don't embarrass yourself.

You embarrassed yourself by voting for Trudeau.  At least Trump didn't go around three times in his life that we know of wearing black face like Trudeau.  He actually did it pretty recently.  What kind of a fool for a prime minister does that in this day and age?  How do you vote for a guy like that?

[JoeKitchen]

Such a racist comment.

I apologize on behalf of LL to the Chinese community. Rest assured that the view expressed by Craig is only his own.

Cheers,
Bernard

That was not a racist comment. 

It was China's screw up.  They were more concerned about the reputation of their one party then world health. 

It is not racist to point out this pandemic is solely due to China, and they owe the world immense compensation for it. 

[Craig Lamson]

Such a racist comment.

I apologize on behalf of LL to the Chinese community. Rest assured that the view expressed by Craig is only his own.

Cheers,
Bernard

Did the virus come from China Bernard?  Is it killing people all over the world?   You like to lay blame for the death of people from this Virus and you even blamed members of this forum as being in part responsible. 

So now you call a set of true and irrefutable facts as racist.

My oh my your hole keeps getting deeper.  I suggest you learn the first rule of holes.