Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Craig Lamson]

Yup...he took full responsibility for those actions. No denials. Now where to start with your leader in chief. Let's look at hiring hookers...or maybe grabbing snatches. Man you can open up a can of worms and a flock of robins will descend upon you.

Trudeau, in the time of need has stepped up and provided desperately needed leadership to the point outspoken opposition are crediting him. He's got all levels of government in lock step...including the opposition that just lost a close election.

Now let's at the leadership in the Un-United states of the Americas.

At least you got one thing right...STATES.

[Craig Lamson]

Please give me a good reason why Trump does not practice what he preaches to his people. Just one...but it better be good. Think hard.

I've given you plenty, is you reading ability failing you.

[Alan Klein]

Dressing up in black paint was stupid, but it didn't kill any one. Unlike denying early C19 warnings and delaying lock downs.

Enough with the politics.  Trump bashing has gone on for four years.  We're tired of it.  He's trying to save America after the country was dealt a bad hand. The president wasn't going to shut down America any more than a governor shut down their state.  I just learned that 7 people in my 55+ community in NJ have Covid and one guy died. 

You guys in Canada and around the world better hope that Trump does a good job pulling us out of this mess.  Because if we go down, so do you.  All my statements about how America was going to pull back because we can't afford it will be sped up.  Americans will ask why we're helping Europe and the rest of the world militarily when we're really broke.  If you think Trump is isolationist, you haven't seen anything yet.  Regardless of who's president in January, the drumbeat from Americans to keep our money home and retrench will be paramount. 

Watch what you pray for. 

[BernardLanguillier]

What you might want to be asking yourself is why you think its ok to suggest that Americans ( and forum members) who support Trump are in part responsible for covid-19 deaths in America.  And then perhaps ask yourself how you come back from such a horrible statement.

This may not be a popular thing to say, but the truth is that the people who put Trump in office are indeed indirectly responsible for the additional casualties resulting from his delayed actions. That’s about 25% of Americans.

And it was unfortunately not very hard to predict that things would get down to something like this.

I still feel horribly sorry for this situation and would of course have preferred that Trump’s incompetence and its impacts would not have had to be made visible this way.

But you have a choice now. Look at reality or keep denying it. Your reactions till date are not encouraging but as a free man you have the ability to change your mind every second. I sincerely hope that you reconsider. Your grand children may ask you the question one day.

As for your other comments their lack of honesty and objectivity is pretty self explanatory. And you pretty much agree with me that a conscious decision was made to favor economy over the life of people. That may be where our views differ.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

Please give me a good reason why Trump does not practice what he preaches to his people. Just one...but it better be good. Think hard.

Who cares what you think?

[Craig Lamson]

This may not be a popular thing to say, but the truth is that the people who put Trump in office are indeed indirectly responsible for the additional casualties resulting from his delayed actions. That’s about 25% of Americans.

And it was unfortunately not very hard to predict that things would get down to something like this.

I still feel horribly sorry for this situation and would of course have preferred that Trump’s incompetence and its impacts would not have had to be made visible this way.

But you have a choice now. Look at reality or keep denying it. Your reactions till date are not encouraging but as a free man you have the ability to change your mind every second. I sincerely hope that you reconsider. Your grand children may ask you the question one day.

As for your other comments their lack of honesty and objectivity is pretty self explanatory. And you pretty much agree with me that a conscious decision was made to favor economy over the life of people. That may be where our views differ.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bernard you shoud just quit being so untruthful and you owe this forum an apology. 

You have a choice now. Make your apology.  You have one chance. Make the best of it.

[JoeKitchen]

Like in the US, the leaders in Europe are very heavily criticized by a large majority of the population for their lack of preparation and, above all, for their delayed reaction.

But you are right... there are probably blind idiots there who keep supporting them at any cost regardless of how screamingly obvious their shortcoming are.

Cheers,
Bernard

60% approval rating last I checked.  I guess we are the land of the blind. 

Bernard, would you come be our king and save us? 

[hogloff]

Who cares what you think?

Alan...obviously you do enough to read my posts and to reply.

Childish response of taking the ball home when things get tough.

[Alan Klein]

This may not be a popular thing to say, but the truth is that the people who put Trump in office are indeed indirectly responsible for the additional casualties resulting from his delayed actions. That’s about 25% of Americans.

And it was unfortunately not very hard to predict that things would get down to something like this.

I still feel horribly sorry for this situation and would of course have preferred that Trump’s incompetence and its impacts would not have had to be made visible this way.

But you have a choice now. Look at reality or keep denying it. Your reactions till date are not encouraging but as a free man you have the ability to change your mind every second. I sincerely hope that you reconsider. Your grand children may ask you the question one day.

As for your other comments their lack of honesty and objectivity is pretty self explanatory. And you pretty much agree with me that a conscious decision was made to favor economy over the life of people. That may be where our views differ.

Cheers,
Bernard

Do you feel the same way about the voters in Great Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain who have the same virus and death rate or worse?  Or do you only have time to insult Americans? Why is Abe doing nothing in your adopted country of Japan?  How can you expose yourself and your family to such incompetence?  Don't you care about your family?

Maybe you ought to pay attention to your own problems instead of spending time heaping your bile on other people. 

[JoeKitchen]

This may not be a popular thing to say, but the truth is that the people who put Trump in office are indeed indirectly responsible for the additional casualties resulting from his delayed actions. That’s about 25% of Americans.

And it was unfortunately not very hard to predict that things would get down to something like this.

I still feel horribly sorry for this situation and would of course have preferred that Trump’s incompetence and its impacts would not have had to be made visible this way.

But you have a choice now. Look at reality or keep denying it. Your reactions till date are not encouraging but as a free man you have the ability to change your mind every second. I sincerely hope that you reconsider. Your grand children may ask you the question one day.

As for your other comments their lack of honesty and objectivity is pretty self explanatory. And you pretty much agree with me that a conscious decision was made to favor economy over the life of people. That may be where our views differ.

Cheers,
Bernard

25% of Americans?  I think you're low balling it a bit.  There are certainly many more of us incredulous Trump supporting killers here than you think.  Even with the electoral college, you need more then 25% support to win. 

I guess you did not take my advice to study USA civics.  I am sure there is an online class somewhere you can sign up for. 

LOL. 

[Craig Lamson]

A piece for Joe...

I'm not for or against the message but I thought it would stike a chord for Joe.

Threading the Needle Between Public and Economic Health

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/threading_the_needle_between_public_and_economic_health_.html

[BernardLanguillier]

Do you feel the same way about the voters in Great Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain who have the same virus and death rate or worse?  Or do you only have time to insult Americans? Why is Abe doing nothing in your adopted country of Japan?  How can you expose yourself and your family to such incompetence?  Don't you care about your family?

Maybe you ought to pay attention to your own problems instead of spending time heaping your bile on other people.

Not at all, I fully share your views.

But it’s much worse with Trump and Abe because both leaders had the European example right in front of their nose and still kept downplaying the risk for their own populations.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

Alan...obviously you do enough to read my posts and to reply.

Childish response of taking the ball home when things get tough.

No one's taking the ball home.  This is my thread and I'm keeping it open.  If you want to keep dumping your bile, go right ahead.  But maybe you should ask yourself why would Canadian voters like yourself elect a bigot for their leader?  Maybe your focus on Trump helps you forget your own voting record and shortcomings.  You can fool yourself into believing you're a better person. 

[LesPalenik]

Why do you keep repeating the same old lies.  Nothing was denied and Trump had ZERO ability to lock any STATE down.

Well, you must be reading different news than me.
Here are some of Trump's most blatant comments and lies on coronavirus:

On Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
On Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”
On Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
On Feb 25, Trump promised that a vaccine would be available soon. “Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,”
On Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
On Feb. 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
On Feb 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle”
On March 4, Trump contradicted public health experts’ estimates of the death rate for Covid-19 — based on a “hunch.”
On the same day, Trump also compared coronavirus with the flu and he mentioned that the coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.
On March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
On March 7, Trump said that anyone who wants a test for Covid-19 can get one. (maybe in the future, but not in February or March.)
On March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

Today, he mentioned the possibility of opening churches for Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday services. What a great idea!

Trump has repeatedly claimed that the US was the most prepared country in the world. Yeah, with most infections in the world.

[BernardLanguillier]

25% of Americans?  I think you're low balling it a bit.  There are certainly many more of us incredulous Trump supporting killers here that you think.  Even with the electoral college, you need more then 25% support to win. 

I guess you did not take my advice to study USA civics.  I am sure there is an online class somewhere you can sign up for. 

LOL.

No, you need a majority of voters.

Lol.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Bernard you shoud just quit being so untruthful and you owe this forum an apology. 

You have a choice now. Make your apology.  You have one chance. Make the best of it.

How am I untruthful?

On Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China.”
On Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”
On Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
On Feb 25, Trump promised that a vaccine would be available soon. “Now they have it, they have studied it, they know very much, in fact, we’re very close to a vaccine,”
On Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
On Feb. 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
On Feb 28, Trump said that coronavirus will “disappear” like a “miracle”
On March 4, Trump contradicted public health experts’ estimates of the death rate for Covid-19 — based on a “hunch.”
On the same day, Trump also compared coronavirus with the flu and he mentioned that the coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.
On March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
On March 7, Trump said that anyone who wants a test for Covid-19 can get one. (maybe in the future, but not in February or March.)
On March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

How is this not downplaying the risk for American citizens? How is this not awfully wrong? How has this not delayed awareness and action? How has this not killed people?

The duty of apology is yours. Not to me, to your fellow countrymen.

Cheers,
Bernard

[JoeKitchen]

A piece for Joe...

I'm not for or against the message but I thought it would stike a chord for Joe.

Threading the Needle Between Public and Economic Health

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/threading_the_needle_between_public_and_economic_health_.html

Thanks Craig,

I just skimmed it and it looks interesting.  What is really bogging me down here is that everyone is treating this as a binary option, either we fully lock down or not.  I saw the article talks about an in between method that I think needs to be implemented real soon or chaos will break out. 

If we had shut down any other industry then the restaurant industry I would say we have a little more time and can relax a bit more.  But those in the service industry have been out of a job for 3 weeks now, and, being a former restaurant employee, I can tell you 60+% of those people will be out of money in another week, two max.  They are not known to be the most understanding of people, and I know for a fact they will start loosing their shit soon. 

It is going to happen. 

But it just annoys me the liberal elites are pushing for this total lockdown and not considering a in between method.  Recently other NYC photographers I know (not on here) started making fun of the governor of OK for him saying it does not make sense for his entire state to lockdown.  They thought they know best, being NYC elitists, yet completely ignored it is planting season, which follows a strict schedule especially when you need to get two harvests from your land a year.  It is shit like this that is annoying the hell out of me. 

We can lock down everyone.  We need plans that take into account geography and ages, or it is not going to work because people will just simply get back to work. 

If I was a farmer in the mid-west this time of year, I would give a rats ass what anyone had to say about staying inside.  I would have plants I need to get into the ground right now, and anyone who says otherwise can screw themselves.  This is the mentality we will be dealing with, especially as bank accounts of lower income people start to run dry. 

[JoeKitchen]

No, you need a majority of voters.

Lol.

Cheers,
Bernard

A majority of electoral voters. 

See, if only you signed up for an online USA civic class like I recommended, I would not have had to correct you. 

[hogloff]

No one's taking the ball home.  This is my thread and I'm keeping it open.  If you want to keep dumping your bile, go right ahead.  But maybe you should ask yourself why would Canadian voters like yourself elect a bigot for their leader?  Maybe your focus on Trump helps you forget your own voting record and shortcomings.  You can fool yourself into believing you're a better person.

You seriously comparing Trump to Trudeau. Please don't embarrass yourself.

[BernardLanguillier]

A majority of electoral voters. 

See, if only you signed up for an online USA civic class like I recommended, I would not have had to correct you.

So enlight us, what’s your estimate of the % of the US population who voted for Trump 3 years ago?

Cheers,
Bernard