Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Alan Klein]

I heard they were considering Jared Kushner as his replacement.

Too wimpy looking, even without a mask.

[hogloff]

1/3 of Americans have taken a pay cut or lost their job.

Wait until we see the numbers for deaths instead of money.

[JoeKitchen]

He embarrassed the Navy and his commanders.  You don't do that. If you were his boss, how would you feel?  How could you trust him going forward?  He was removed from his command.  He was not removed from the Navy.  He kept his rank as Captain.

But it's an impossible situation to be his boss.  He had to be moved out of his current position to another.  Of course, he probably blew his career.  No Admiral will trust him.  But knowing Washington DC, some politician will get him a promotion to Admiral for political reasons. So it might actually work out for him.  But for the NAvy, it was an untenable situation.

This was so much more then just embarrassment.  What many on the left don't seem to understand is that he put it out there for everyone to read that 1/11 of our naval strength is now compromised by this virus. 

Even if it was, you don't announce it out to your enemies because they may not know it, and even if they have an idea there are always doubts on intelligence.  Now there are no doubts, which creates an opening to take advantage of. 

Regardless if you believe China's numbers or not, they were the first to get this and will more then likely be the first to recover from it.  This gives them a great strategic advantage militarily already.  They know this, and anyone who does not think they will try and take advantage here has been living under a rock for the last 10 years. 

The captain's irresponsible handling of the situation on board only makes it a better situation for China to take advantage of.

[Craig Lamson]

So you think he looks strong because he isn't social distancing. Look at me I'm staring this virus down...I'm not afraid of it.

You call it strong, I'll call it stupid.

Sheeh, he is in a controlled environment with arguably the best security, health and otherwise in the world.  Intelligent people should be able to understand that.  Besides he is working with these people daily in a meeting setting.  These press confereences are the tip of the iceberg.

[JoeKitchen]

Wait until we see the numbers for deaths instead of money.

I'd rather deal with a known issue then fumble around with an unknown. 

We have no quantitative idea how different the effects of this virus will be given the how much or how little we lockdown. 

However, we do know that we will experience a total economic collapse up to the level of the Great Depression if we continue this lockdown too long.  That will hurt more lives then what we save from the virus by staying locked down. 

The naiveté that some of you show denying the real suffering that would come from an economic collapse like this is astonishing.  32%, a third, of all working age Americans out of jobs, a number worse then the Great Depression, is nothing to sneeze at. 

[Craig Lamson]

is nothing to sneeze at.

This time its nothing to have a sore throat at, or nothing to have a fever at...

[JoeKitchen]

This time its nothing to have a sore throat at, or nothing to have a fever at...

Thanks Craig. 

[hogloff]

Sheeh, he is in a controlled environment with arguably the best security, health and otherwise in the world.  Intelligent people should be able to understand that.  Besides he is working with these people daily in a meeting setting.  These press confereences are the tip of the iceberg.

He might be safe...great...but it's the message he is sending out to millions of people that standing side by side with each other is OK.

What harm would there be if everyone was 6' apart...I can see a very positive message with it...but tell me what harm is there?

[Alan Klein]

He might be safe...great...but it's the message he is sending out to millions of people that standing side by side with each other is OK.

What harm would there be if everyone was 6' apart...I can see a very positive message with it...but tell me what harm is there?

If you watched the conference, you would have heard him say that they were tested and all were negative. I don't know many people getting together in groups.  The streets are empty and people are moving around in ones unless they're with family members.  Give people some credit or are you just saying all this for political reasons? 

[Alan Klein]

My state of New Jersey is getting ready to reach its highest rate of infections in the country after New York.  I only go out to bring the garbage cans to the curb and get the mail and cartons of supplies I ordered.  I disinfect everything and use gloves. Masks aren't necessary as no one is around.  I hope I'm not missing anything.  I wanted to go to someplace alone to shoot pictures.  But I'm hesitant. 
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/these-charts-and-map-show-how-coronavirus-pandemic-is-spreading-across-nj-saturday-april-4-2020.html?utm_source=subtext&utm_medium=sms&utm_campaign=coronavirus

[hogloff]

If you watched the conference, you would have heard him say that they were tested and all were negative. I don't know many people getting together in groups.  The streets are empty and people are moving around in ones unless they're with family members.  Give people some credit or are you just saying all this for political reasons?

Here is an article from the Atlantic about social distancing and how serious people are taking it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/social-distancing-culture/609019/

[John Camp]

This was so much more then just embarrassment.  What many on the left don't seem to understand is that he put it out there for everyone to read that 1/11 of our naval strength is now compromised by this virus. 

Even if it was, you don't announce it out to your enemies because they may not know it, and even if they have an idea there are always doubts on intelligence.  Now there are no doubts, which creates an opening to take advantage of. 

Regardless if you believe China's numbers or not, they were the first to get this and will more then likely be the first to recover from it.  This gives them a great strategic advantage militarily already.  They know this, and anyone who does not think they will try and take advantage here has been living under a rock for the last 10 years. 

The captain's irresponsible handling of the situation on board only makes it a better situation for China to take advantage of.

This was nothing but an embarrassment, and even the guy who fired him said that he had no particular evidence that Crozier leaked the letter. His complaint was that Crozier sent the letter to a number of people in the military and Defense Department, and it may well have been one of them who leaked it. Crozier apparently did what he did because he was facing what he considered to be a desperate situation and he wasn't getting any serious attention from the DOD or his immediate superior. Strictly following the chain of command means that you go up to one guy to make the decision whether to pass the letter on -- the rear admiral who was in charge of the fleet of which Crozier's ship was a part. If he delays, or isn't informed, the virus continues to spread. So, Crozier went outside the chain of command.

China's no threat. Nobody's much of a threat anymore, except the U.S. What are the Chinese going to do, invade Japan? Sink an aircraft carrier? The reason why Iran wants nukes is because those nations with nukes are pretty much immune from invasion; that includes the US and anyone under the US umbrella. Of all the nations on earth, I only know one that routinely projects military power overseas. Guess who that is?

I served in the military, I covered the military in Iraq as a reporter, and I also hung out with both enlisted and officer veterans of the Israeli military. If Crozier had been in the Israeli military, he probably would have been promoted, because Israeli combat forces focus on getting things done, not being subservient to pencil-pushers further up the line.

Crozier's firing is a disgrace, and a large number of former DOD officials and military officers are saying so, especially in light of Trump's reversal of a military court that found a Navy SEAL guilty of war crimes, based on his own platoon's testimony. But that's Trump's military: a war criminal walks, a guy trying to save his mens' lives gets fired.

[JoeKitchen]

This was nothing but an embarrassment, and even the guy who fired him said that he had no particular evidence that Crozier leaked the letter. His complaint was that Crozier sent the letter to a number of people in the military and Defense Department, and it may well have been one of them who leaked it. Crozier apparently did what he did because he was facing what he considered to be a desperate situation and he wasn't getting any serious attention from the DOD or his immediate superior. Strictly following the chain of command means that you go up to one guy to make the decision whether to pass the letter on -- the rear admiral who was in charge of the fleet of which Crozier's ship was a part. If he delays, or isn't informed, the virus continues to spread. So, Crozier went outside the chain of command.

China's no threat. Nobody's much of a threat anymore, except the U.S. What are the Chinese going to do, invade Japan? Sink an aircraft carrier? The reason why Iran wants nukes is because those nations with nukes are pretty much immune from invasion; that includes the US and anyone under the US umbrella. Of all the nations on earth, I only know one that routinely projects military power overseas. Guess who that is?

I served in the military, I covered the military in Iraq as a reporter, and I also hung out with both enlisted and officer veterans of the Israeli military. If Crozier had been in the Israeli military, he probably would have been promoted, because Israeli combat forces focus on getting things done, not being subservient to pencil-pushers further up the line.

Crozier's firing is a disgrace, and a large number of former DOD officials and military officers are saying so, especially in light of Trump's reversal of a military court that found a Navy SEAL guilty of war crimes, based on his own platoon's testimony. But that's Trump's military: a war criminal walks, a guy trying to save his mens' lives gets fired.

John, you're looking at this through Chamberlain's glasses.  Nobody is a threat anymore?  Just because they have nuclear weapons?  Eventually, someone is going to break that rule.  I would rather delay it as long as possible. 

China will surely try and take advantage of this; that is what they do.  Look at how they militarized the South China Sea when we stopped paying attention during the Obama years, something we have almost no avenue to reverse. 

They will use this to their advantage, period.  And now that they know 1/11 of our navy is no longer active, they have an even higher incentive to take advantage of the fact that they will be the first to recover. 

I would be willing to bet, that prior to plans being changed due to this virus, Xi had in his master plan a military take over of Taiwan just to prove it's part of China.  I am sure they will continue to try and increase their borders, regardless of what we think in the west. 

Fact is, regardless if he intended to leak this, his actions lead to it.  He sent out an email to every friend that he had who was a senior officer through a non-secure server, what did he think would happen.  He compromised our naval perception, plane and simple, and deserved to be fired over it. 

[JoeKitchen]

Do you know why it is called the Spanish Flu?  It is not because it originated in Spain nor because Spain was hardest hit.  It's because Spain was not in WWI and could freely write about the pandemic.  (Yes, I realize you probably know this; I am writing it for others who dont.) 

Every other country in the war prevented their press from writing about it since they knew it would give their enemy an incentive to mount an attack.  It's the same situation here. 

Although China certainly will not think to invade us, they will consider trying to capture larger parts of the sea and increase their land borders, like they have been doing for the last 60 years.  Reversing this, since they themselves have nuclear weapons, will be very difficult if not impossible. 

Deterring them from doing so in the first place is the only reasonable course of action without possibly sparking a hot war.  Blatantly broadcasting that 1/11 of our fleet is out of service was irresponsible to say the least. 


PS, I just ran this by a friend who was in the Navy.  His take was that he would have liked to have him as a CO since he obviously cares about his people.  Regardless though he did break OPSEC and did put his crew in danger by doing so.  According to him, although disappointing, given the respect he had from his crew, it was an appropriate action.  He did feel part of this was due to someone's ego at the Pentagon, but none the less, he broke OPSEC. 

[Rob C]

It's a fuckin' disgrace.

Amongst many others; just one more idiotic signal from on high. What did you guys ever do to deserve this? Oh, yes, voting...

P.S.

Just got a quick screen ad. For Russian Ladies. Cool. Michael must be rolling in his metaphorical grave.

[PeterAit]

Harry Truman: "The buck stops here."

Donald Trump: "I am not responsible in any way."

[John Camp]

Amongst many others; just one more idiotic signal from on high. What did you guys ever do to deserve this? Oh, yes, voting...

P.S.

Just got a quick screen ad. For Russian Ladies. Cool. Michael must be rolling in his metaphorical grave.

Really? You get Russian ladies? All I get is stuff like guaranteed methods for old people to stand up straight.

[John Camp]

I may get in trouble for posting this, but I want everybody to know how desperate things are getting in some parts of the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PBg_3iVBw

[Craig Lamson]

He might be safe...great...but it's the message he is sending out to millions of people that standing side by side with each other is OK.

What harm would there be if everyone was 6' apart...I can see a very positive message with it...but tell me what harm is there?

If you watch they try for the most part, but they are people and sometimes it easy to forget.  Things happen, people move, questions get asked of one person and then to another in almost the same breath.  They cross paths etc.  They are not programed robots. Is there any harm in trying, of course not. Do human beings sometimes have a hard time breaking decades of social interaction memory. of course they do.  I think its a really petty snipe if you ask me.

[Craig Lamson]

Here is an article from the Atlantic about social distancing and how serious people are taking it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/social-distancing-culture/609019/

That writer did not use a broad brush, he used a 24" paint roller.