Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[John Camp]

The belief is depending on how much Karma one accumulates, they might come back in a better position than when they left or in a lower class. In your case Alan, if you break your isolation and go out...I would think you'd lose a bunch of Karma and maybe come back as a rat.

Or a virus. 8-)

[Manoli]

Alan Klein,

Think again, You've posted over a 100 times within the past 24 hours - if I'm going to be kind ( I am) your judgement is clouded.
The captain didn't go over anybody's head. He reacted when, from a Monday to Thursday (4 days) high command didn't respond and his men were, in his opinion, put in danger, As he said "We're not at war ..."

The kind of Commander soldiers and sailors respect.
'Only' 91% of those polled think the sacking unjustified. Clearly, you weren't amongst them.

[Alan Klein]

Alan Klein,

Think again, You've posted over a 100 times within the past 24 hours - if I'm going to be kind ( I am) your judgement is clouded.
The captain didn't go over anybody's head. He reacted when, from a Monday to Thursday (4 days) high command didn't respond and his men were, in his opinion, put in danger, As he said "We're not at war ..."

The kind of Commander soldiers and sailors respect.
'Only' 91% of those polled think the sacking unjustified.

91% of the people are not in the Navy.  That's how it's always worked. 

In any case, why did he write 20-30 people?  Who were these people?  Are there procedures in place to go above your immediate commander when an issue isn't being settled?  Did he follow those procedures?  The Secretary of the Navy did not have a problem with his wanting to help his crew, just the way he went about it.

[Craig Lamson]

My earlier post regarding the "National Emergencies Act" stands.

However, for the sake of argument, let us assume you are right regarding the presidents limitations (legal) - he still has the -

"The act clearly established the federal government's quarantine authority for the first time. It gave the United States Public Health Service responsibility for preventing the introduction, transmission and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States.

He could have, six weeks ago, put the entire country under quarantine and you guys would be in a much better position than you are now.

Before you talk about hindsight, remember that other countries did precisely that...

And that is as far down this rabbit hole I am going with you.

You posted about the War and Emergency Powers Act. Not the National Emergency Act. I suggest you do know know what you are talking about and if I'm wrong I will be happy to say so.

The link you posted is a Senate Report of the Senate doing a study to END the very act you are stating gives the President the powers you think he has.  They later passed new rules.  In other words you didn't know what you thought you knew.

Now once again...can Trump do it?

NPR says no.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/02/825293201/a-president-is-not-able-to-order-a-national-quarantine-experts-say

The Atlantic says no...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/why-theres-no-national-lockdown/609127/

Politico says maybe...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/trump-extreme-powers-coronavirus-129176

The Hill says maybe or maybe not...
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/488735-could-trump-declare-national-coronavirus-shutdown-momentum-is-rising

US News says no...
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-04-01/despite-grim-projections-trump-resists-national-quarantine

Reason says no...
https://reason.com/2020/04/03/no-trump-does-not-have-the-power-to-declare-a-national-stay-at-home-order/

Barrons says no...
https://www.barrons.com/articles/a-14-day-national-coronavirus-lockdown-is-probably-unconstitutional-heres-what-the-government-could-do-instead-51584399648

Us Reports again says no...
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-04-01/states-largely-have-authority-over-when-to-shut-down-reopen

and so on...

WE are a Federalist Country and as such the powers for the actions you suggest lie with the States and not the President.

[faberryman]

I've been speaking with a lot of younger people who work and are not now.  They've been laid off.  They're worried sick they cannot pay their bills, feed their families, will lose their health insurance, their cars, their homes.  They have children in college, well, they're home now. But how will they afford tuition?  Starving forces people to do crazy stuff.

Where have you been talking to these young people? I thought you lived in a 55+ community and haven't been out of the house in two weeks.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Don't know about your country, but in my country we can trust the information from the government which has its Outbreak Management Team that is operating based on scientific facts. Such facts differ by country and region, but there's a lot of similarity between them but also some differences (e.g. how well people adhere to the official advice). Whenever there is new information, the public advice will be adjusted, so it is not a static situation but it does allow to adjust based on the latest facts.

Have they begun to screen the population for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies using a blood test in The Netherlands?  It strikes me that the country's population is small enough that massive testing is achievable at a modest cost.  I know that researchers at Erasmus Univ had done the preliminary work that could be used for validation.  I believe there are some European companies that may be manufacturing these tests.  We only have ONE approved for use in the US.  Lots of Asian companies have developed them but not validated according to a defined standard.

[Craig Lamson]

And the richest country in the world is going to let their citizens get to desperation mode? So much for being rich.

A number of stop gap bills have been passed to help with the problem.  Not everyone will be made whole.  Lots of people will lose a lot of money and some their homes and businesses. No goverment can fix all of this.  Personally its going to cost me plenty.  It already has and it will continue.  The Government is not going to fix it all for me.  Thats just the facts of life.

[Craig Lamson]

It's not mileage that varies...it's the general US population that is looking at their leader at times if crisis. Image plays a huge role in leadership.

And a strong leader who is unafraid also conveys a huge message. I for one like the image. Again, YMMV

[Craig Lamson]

It's a fuckin' disgrace.

The military works from a different set of rules than what applies to you or me.

[Alan Klein]

Where have you been talking to these young people? I thought you lived in a 55+ community and haven't been out of the house in two weeks.

I have younger friends that I communicate with as well.  There are a lot of younger people right here in the forums.   Dealing with old people all the time is depressing.  It's like my community is the last stop before the end.  I refuse to read the community's newsletter and emails. There's always someone dying they tell you about, a funeral, etc. 

[faberryman]

It's not mileage that varies...it's the general US population that is looking at their leader at times if crisis. Image plays a huge role in leadership.

Unfortunately. You know ours uses a lot of suntan makeup and has the world's most elaborate comb-over. I'm not saying that Biden doesn't have hair plugs or that Bernie isn't bald. A good look is hard to find.

[hogloff]

And a strong leader who is unafraid also conveys a huge message. I for one like the image. Again, YMMV

So you think he looks strong because he isn't social distancing. Look at me I'm staring this virus down...I'm not afraid of it.

You call it strong, I'll call it stupid.

[JoeKitchen]

Newsweek

So there you go ,

Prezzie, against the express wishes of his military chiefs and the verdict of a court-martial allows a war criminal (Edward Gallagher) to keep his  SEAL status (and pension) - yet a Commander respected and 'loved' by his crew on board one of America's nuclear aircraft carriers gets the sack for ...

Perspective.

video: https://t.co/hwiu7Z1MVV
video: https://www.facebook.com/1093930141/videos/10216506735516262/

Yes, because you know it’s always in a country’s best interest to announce to the world we have 1/11 of our aircraft carriers compromised, especially with China ramping up its navy to take advantage of the situation. 

You have no military expertise or understanding of strategy at all it seems. 

He compermised our perceived naval standing, thus giving other countries potential reasoning to make military moves, which China decided to, and deserved getting sacked!  The seal insident, regardless of what you think about it, did no such thing.

[LesPalenik]

Who wants their president to look like a nerd, a wimp wearing a mask? He's not the Lone Ranger.   Can you imagine the lack of confidence it would generate if he stood there with all his Joint Chief of Staff generals and admirals all wearing surgical masks?  Our enemies would laugh at us.  How presidential does Biden look hiding in his basement sneezing into his hands getting criticized by CNN's Jake Tapper?

Nothing wrong with wearing the mask. The side benefit would be keeping his mouth shut. Safer for America.

[Manoli]

91% of the people are not in the Navy. 
> Do you know who they polled ? Judging by the reaction, if it had been the carrier , it would have been higher
That's how it's always worked. 
> Learn your country's history,
In any case, why did he write 20-30 people? 
> He didn't
Who were these people? 
> Ask them.
Are there procedures in place to go above your immediate commander when an issue isn't being settled? 
> He didn't
Did he follow those procedures? 
>Yes.
The Secretary of the Navy did not have a problem with his wanting to help his crew, just the way he went about it.
> No,  Modly said 'Crozier was not relieved because the letter was leaked but for causing unnecessary panic".

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[Robert Roaldi]

Hi Robert,

In a general sense, your understanding is correct.  There are a few caveats:

1) Even if you are employed that's still not a guarantee that you have coverage in the first place.

2) If you do have coverage and are let go, you have the option of COBRA coverage, which basically allows you to continue your employer-sponsored coverage, but you have to assume the cost of it (probably between $500-1000 USD a month).  I believe you can do that for 8 months or so, but I'm not certain of the exact timeline.

3) If you DO lose your coverage, that is considered a "qualifying event" and you can then sign up for the ACA ("Obamacare") even if you are outside the usual enrollment period.

Thanks very much.

[Alan Klein]

Nothing wrong with wearing the mask. The side benefit would be keeping his mouth shut. Safer for America.

It's hard enough to understand what he's saying.

[Alan Klein]

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He embarrassed the Navy and his commanders.  You don't do that. If you were his boss, how would you feel?  How could you trust him going forward?  He was removed from his command.  He was not removed from the Navy.  He kept his rank as Captain.

But it's an impossible situation to be his boss.  He had to be moved out of his current position to another.  Of course, he probably blew his career.  No Admiral will trust him.  But knowing Washington DC, some politician will get him a promotion to Admiral for political reasons. So it might actually work out for him.  But for the NAvy, it was an untenable situation. 

[faberryman]

But it's an impossible situation to be his boss.  He had to be moved out of his current position to another.  Of course, he probably blew his career.  No Admiral will trust him.  But knowing Washington DC, some politician will get him a promotion to Admiral for political reasons. So it might actually work out for him.  But for the NAvy, it was an untenable situation.

I heard they were considering Jared Kushner as his replacement.

[Alan Klein]

1/3 of Americans have taken a pay cut or lost their job.