Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Alan Klein]

We keep arguing over the past, whether good decisions or bad were made.  Why not leave that for the history books?  The question I see, is how are we going to get out of this mess going forward?  Both the medical and economic issues are huge.  America is spending trillions for recovery; don;t know if it will work.  The rest of the world also has huge economic issues.  How are they going to resolve them?  I think 49 pages of arguing about who's at fault is enough.  Can we move on to the future? 

[LesPalenik]

We keep arguing over the past, whether good decisions or bad were made.  Why not leave that for the history books?  The question I see, is how are we going to get out of this mess going forward?  Both the medical and economic issues are huge.  America is spending trillions for recovery; don;t know if it will work.  The rest of the world also has huge economic issues.  How are they going to resolve them?  I think 49 pages of arguing about who's at fault is enough.  Can we move on to the future?

Good idea. Start making face masks and oatmeal bread.

[Alan Klein]

Good idea. Start making face masks and oatmeal bread.

Is there any place that sells green ink for my Canon printer? 

[James Clark]

Some weird stories coming out tonight about shipments of medical supplies ordered by states being intercepted and taken by the Feds.  :/

Oh. And Trump just fired the intelligence services IG for obeying the law and being impartial

Scandal 2,376 and 7 for this group of unamerican vipers.

[Craig Lamson]

Some weird stories coming out tonight about shipments of medical supplies ordered by states being intercepted and taken by the Feds.  :/

Oh. And Trump just fired the intelligence services IG for obeying the law and being impartial.

Yea, good for Trump, that IG was less than impartial and law abiding. 

[James Clark]

Yea, good for Trump, that IG was less than impartial and law abiding.

Bullshit 

[Alan Klein]

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Oh. And Trump just fired the intelligence services IG for obeying the law and being impartial
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Let's stick with Covid in this thread.

[LesPalenik]

Is there any place that sells green ink for my Canon printer?

Just glue a handful of fresh spinach leaves to the paper or canvass prior to printing. Then use straight edge razor or Artist's Adhesive Remover to clean up the artwork. 

[James Clark]

Let's stick with Covid in this thread.

Fair.

The stories about the diverted supplies are really strange.

[Alan Klein]

How are we going to get out economies back in line with news like this?    A bottle of Snapple Diet Peach costs more than that.

At one point last week, Western Canadian Select heavy crude tumbled as low as $3.82 a barrel.
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/canada-in-talks-with-opec-as-oil-route-continues-162622627.html

[Alan Klein]

Fair.

The stories about the diverted supplies are really strange.

Do you have more info?

[LesPalenik]

The stories about the diverted supplies are really strange.

They were definitely not diverted to Canada. Trump ordered today the 3M company to stop selling the N95 masks to Canada.

U.S.-based company 3M said Friday that it has been asked by the Trump administration not to supply N95 respirators to Canada amid the novel coronavirus pandemic.

“The administration also requested that 3M cease exporting respirators that we currently manufacture in the United States to the Canadian and Latin American markets,” a statement from the company read. The company said the move raised “humanitarian” concerns. “There are, however, significant humanitarian implications of ceasing respirator supplies to health-care workers in Canada and Latin America, where we are a critical supplier of respirators,” the statement added.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6772979/coronavirus-3m-n95-respirators-trump-canada/

[James Clark]

Do you have more info?

Not really.  A few governors (R and D both) are saying that they’ve ordered medical supplies and they are being impounded by the Feds at port.  One claim is that they had to go underground with a Chinese official and the Alaskan state government to circumvent customs or something. A more widely reported claim deals with a German order that got rerouted in Thailand. We’ll probably get more over the weekend.

Like I said - really odd.   

[James Clark]

They were definitely not diverted to Canada. Trump ordered today the 3M company to stop selling the N95 masks to Canada.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6772979/coronavirus-3m-n95-respirators-trump-canada/

Sorry. .

[Alan Klein]

For someone like me, who is 75 with some medical conditions, this is scary.  We shouldn't let any ventilators out of the country or other medical equipment.  Is that immoral, unfair? 

As coronavirus cases grow, hospitals adopt a system to rank patients for treatment
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-hospital-ethics-ventilators-invs/index.html

[John Camp]

For someone like me, who is 75 with some medical conditions, this is scary.  We shouldn't let any ventilators out of the country or other medical equipment.  Is that immoral, unfair? 

As coronavirus cases grow, hospitals adopt a system to rank patients for treatment
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-hospital-ethics-ventilators-invs/index.html

Moral condumdrum: I'm 76 with two stents. I got the stents 13 years ago when I weighed 210. (I'm 6'1') That scared me enough to become almost a vegetarian, though I still occasionally will eat chicken. (Like once a month.) I don't drink or smoke. I now weigh 176 (5 minutes ago when I got off the exercise bike), I ride the bike hard five days a week, pushing my heart rate to 95% of theoretical maximum for my age, and until my club closed, I swam 500 meters two days a week and a 1000 meters once a week. If I get this virus, do I go to the hospital as an elderly man with two stents, or as a guy who, though 76, is actually in excellent shape? I'm leaning toward the former.

[James Clark]

Moral condumdrum: I'm 76 with two stents. I got the stents 13 years ago when I weighed 210. (I'm 6'1') That scared me enough to become almost a vegetarian, though I still occasionally will eat chicken. (Like once a month.) I don't drink or smoke. I now weigh 176 (5 minutes ago when I got off the exercise bike), I ride the bike hard five days a week, pushing my heart rate to 95% of theoretical maximum for my age, and until my club closed, I swam 500 meters two days a week and a 1000 meters once a week. If I get this virus, do I go to the hospital as an elderly man with two stents, or as a guy who, though 76, is actually in excellent shape? I'm leaning toward the former.

If you’re bad enough to go, you go.  Same as you would if you were 21, 45, 13, or 90.  Even if you were Canadian.

[Alan Klein]

Moral condumdrum: I'm 76 with two stents. I got the stents 13 years ago when I weighed 210. (I'm 6'1') That scared me enough to become almost a vegetarian, though I still occasionally will eat chicken. (Like once a month.) I don't drink or smoke. I now weigh 176 (5 minutes ago when I got off the exercise bike), I ride the bike hard five days a week, pushing my heart rate to 95% of theoretical maximum for my age, and until my club closed, I swam 500 meters two days a week and a 1000 meters once a week. If I get this virus, do I go to the hospital as an elderly man with two stents, or as a guy who, though 76, is actually in excellent shape? I'm leaning toward the former.

I was thinking about that.  I'd tell them I'm in perfect help other then my 75 years old.  Feel like 50.  If you tell them the truth, they'll triage you out of the ICU room and let you die.   

[Alan Klein]

If you’re bad enough to go, you go.  Same as you would if you were 21, 45, 13, or 90.  Even if you were Canadian.

James you didn't read the article.  The hospitals don't have enough ventilators.  So they'll triage so that only those most likely to survive get the machines.  The rest have to breathe on their own which can be impossible if you develop pneumonia from the virus.  It's a very bad pneumonia that really clogs up your lungs.  Basically, you suffocate to death.    They knock you unconscious and intubated you although I don't even know if they can do that without a ventilator.   

[kamma1]

The ethical question seems perfectly clear, you tell the truth about your history and current condition, and trust the medical professionals to make the correct decision.  Whether you choose to act ethically or not while confronting your fear is another question.   But I wouldn't want my lie to cost someone else their life (and possibly more than one).