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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #600 on: April 02, 2020, 07:57:28 pm »

Sorry, but you're wrong. 

First, suicides have been decreasing overall in the last couple of years.  This has been reported on in several news media here.  Yes, the main stories you will se if you research this are about the increase over the past two decades.  But on a year over year basis, it have been improving. 

Second, with this specific example, he was noticeably upset over loosing his job and expressed this as the reason for shooting his girlfriend to his girlfriend before shooting her.

Please show me your data. Here is what I got:

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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #601 on: April 02, 2020, 07:58:52 pm »

While the Democrats were busy with political impeachment, Trump instituted a shutdown and ban of travel from China BEFORE February.
Except that it didn't apply to US citizens or permanent residents, who could bring in as much coronavirus from China as they could fit in their checked baggage and carry-ons.
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« Reply #602 on: April 02, 2020, 07:59:46 pm »

Alan...I love seeing that market dive. I got out of the market ( well 75% out ) back in February as I was planning a bunch of travel and didn't want to be exposed when away. I was more concerned about the usual shinannagans during the run up to the fall election.

Now I have money sitting just waiting to re-enter...drop Dow Jones...drop.
My wife an I were planning a trip but decided to put a halt to it as well.  We saw how this was going and didn't want to get stuck in some airport where we didn't speak the language. Regarding the sinking market and all the money printing, I got one word:  GOLD  I don;t think we're going to see the stock market recover for years.

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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #603 on: April 02, 2020, 08:00:39 pm »

It's not cloudy to politicians.  They are looking at additional things beside science, such as economic.  Scientists, who are often very wrong with their conclusions, are parochial in their thinking.   They don't consider other factors that are important to society as well.  Also, they don't answer to the body politic; they are not elected. They are not our leaders.

Alan, you seem to hold a higher regard for politicians than most people. Politicians follow the herd instincts, they don't want to rock the boat, they react only as the last resort, and frankly, most of them don't have the mental capacity to plan ahead.
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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #604 on: April 02, 2020, 08:02:51 pm »

It's not cloudy to politicians.  They are looking at additional things beside science, such as economic.  Scientists, who are often very wrong with their conclusions, are parochial in their thinking.   They don't consider other factors that are important to society as well.  Also, they don't answer to the body politic; they are not elected. They are not our leaders.

So how is Trump doing with regards to dealing with the virus?

Hint "it'll be a victory if we lose just 100,000 people"

And how is he doing regarding the economy?

Dow dropping like a stone.
Unemployment hitting records.

What grade would you give him?
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« Reply #605 on: April 02, 2020, 08:04:03 pm »

Except that it didn't apply to US citizens or permanent residents, who could bring in as much coronavirus from China as they could fit in their checked baggage and carry-ons.

Bingo...and then don't test and let them spread everywhere and here we are today.
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Alan Klein

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« Reply #606 on: April 02, 2020, 08:09:26 pm »

Except that it didn't apply to US citizens or permanent residents, who could bring in as much coronavirus from China as they could fit in their checked baggage and carry-ons.
Stop moving the goalposts.  You said he didn't do anything.  Well, he did a lot. The NY Times article disproves your earlier accusation.  In any case, how much was he suppose to do at that early time?  Not let Americans back into their own country?  Put them in quarantine for weeks?  We didn't know that back then and you're being intellectually dishonest suggesting it.  Why don't you suggest he should have shut down schools and everything else we shut down later including quaretining everyone to our homes?

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« Reply #607 on: April 02, 2020, 08:13:11 pm »

Stop moving the goalposts.  You said he didn't do anything.  Well, he did a lot. The NY Times article disproves your earlier accusation.  In any case, how much was he suppose to do at that early time?  Not let Americans back into their own country?  Put them in quarantine for weeks?  We didn't know that back then and you're being intellectually dishonest suggesting it.  Why don't you suggest he should have shut down schools and everything else we shut down later including quaretining everyone to our homes?

Putting them in quarantine for 2-3 weeks would have been prudent. Canada did that, at least for all travellers returning from Wuhan and other affected places.
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« Reply #608 on: April 02, 2020, 08:14:26 pm »

Stop moving the goalposts.  You said he didn't do anything.  Well, he did a lot. The NY Times article disproves your earlier accusation.  In any case, how much was he suppose to do at that early time?  Not let Americans back into their own country?  Put them in quarantine for weeks?  We didn't know that back then and you're being intellectually dishonest suggesting it.  Why don't you suggest he should have shut down schools and everything else we shut down later including quaretining everyone to our homes?
You are confusing me with someone else.
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« Reply #609 on: April 02, 2020, 08:21:47 pm »

Why don't you suggest he should have shut down schools and everything else we shut down later including quaretining everyone to our homes?

No one is quarantined. People can go out for shopping or excersise.

In Canada, if you returned from foreign soil, you were quaranteened...no shopping, no friends, no going out your door. And guess what, no gun fights as a result...
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« Reply #610 on: April 02, 2020, 08:22:55 pm »

Alan, you seem to hold a higher regard for politicians than most people. Politicians follow the herd instincts, they don't want to rock the boat, they react only as the last resort, and frankly, most of them don't have the mental capacity to plan ahead.
I think politicians are morons and government is too big.  But I don't want to turn over the country to scientists who aren't elected and report to no one.  When they screw up, they just go back into their ivory towers protected by their tenure.  Politicians do risk getting fired which sharpens their reactions. 

As far as not rocking the boat, Trump actually is more likely to do that than most politicians because he isn't a career politician.  His being a maverick is what got him elected. His success in business helped as well.  He knows how to execute, something many politicians have no idea of.  They've never ran anything. He has. 

The reason his poll numbers are going up because people see how he operates every day at his news conferences. All the lies about how he does everything himself is shown to be BS.  Beside the medical community, he brings in military, FEMA , and other key administrators to show how he leads them but allows them to get the job done.  All the BS you;ve been reading for four years how he's this John Wayne character doing it by himself is nonsense.  One man can;t run the American government.  However, people now see he knows how to organize, direct, manage, and is intelligent in understand all the details of what going on.  The press lied about that and now people are seeing first hand that he's a powerful and knowledgeable leader. That's why they all want him to stop the conferences.   It makes Biden, who is hiding in his basement, look small by comparison. 

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« Reply #611 on: April 02, 2020, 08:24:19 pm »

So how is Trump doing with regards to dealing with the virus?

Hint "it'll be a victory if we lose just 100,000 people"

And how is he doing regarding the economy?

Dow dropping like a stone.
Unemployment hitting records.

What grade would you give him?
Voters will not blame him for the virus.  They will give him credit if we've passed the worse and the economy is being restored by the time of the election. 

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« Reply #612 on: April 02, 2020, 08:25:57 pm »

Bingo...and then don't test and let them spread everywhere and here we are today.
You seem to be able to portend the future.  Could you let me know the winner of the fourth race tomorrow? 

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« Reply #613 on: April 02, 2020, 08:31:40 pm »

I think politicians are morons and government is too big.  But I don't want to turn over the country to scientists who aren't elected and report to no one.  When they screw up, they just go back into their ivory towers protected by their tenure.  Politicians do risk getting fired which sharpens their reactions.
Great. Morons with sharp reactions.
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« Reply #614 on: April 02, 2020, 08:33:16 pm »

That was indeed a good move by Trump. He should have banned also flights from Italy, Spain and France.
Interestingly, also Italy announced on January 31 a ban on flights from China, but that alone didn't help them. Without keeping a safe distance from each other, the other factors played a bigger role in spreading the virus than just the flight ban.
Trump did ban Europe subsequently.  But this whole virus thing is a moving target.  Canada kept changing their restrictions as well.  Everyone is trying to balance medical safety with keeping their countries running.  Frankly, it was like shoveling sh!t against the tide.  But we know that all in retrospect.  I think most people are fair about understanding it and won;t blame politicians except the ones who hate them to begin with.

AS late as MArch 20th, Canada was still modifying who could and could not travel to your country.  The list of exceptions goes on page after page.

Canada provides update on exemptions to travel restrictions to protect Canadians and support the economy
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2020/03/canada-provides-update-on-exemptions-to-travel-restrictions-to-protect-canadians-and-support-the-economy.html

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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #615 on: April 02, 2020, 08:35:28 pm »

Voters will not blame him for the virus.  They will give him credit if we've passed the worse and the economy is being restored by the time of the election.

Who would they blame for the virus...and why not Trump. Where does that buck stop. Is there anything more important that needs Trumps attention and if he's not taking reponsibility...give the wheel to someone who will call the shots and take responsibility for the decisions...you know...a leader.
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« Reply #616 on: April 02, 2020, 08:36:52 pm »

You seem to be able to portend the future.  Could you let me know the winner of the fourth race tomorrow?

It's not predicting when you see what was working elsewhere like South Korea or China.
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« Reply #617 on: April 02, 2020, 08:39:48 pm »

Trump did ban Europe subsequently.  But this whole virus thing is a moving target.  Canada kept changing their restrictions as well.  Everyone is trying to balance medical safety with keeping their countries running.  Frankly, it was like shoveling sh!t against the tide.  But we know that all in retrospect.  I think most people are fair about understanding it and won;t blame politicians except the ones who hate them to begin with.

AS late as MArch 20th, Canada was still modifying who could and could not travel to your country.  The list of exceptions goes on page after page.

Canada provides update on exemptions to travel restrictions to protect Canadians and support the economy
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2020/03/canada-provides-update-on-exemptions-to-travel-restrictions-to-protect-canadians-and-support-the-economy.html

But it did two things totally different.

1. Every person coming from foreign soil was quaranteened for 14 days.
2. It started tested way sooner than the US. This was so sorely evident contrasting Washington State and British Columbia.
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« Reply #618 on: April 02, 2020, 08:43:49 pm »

Great. Morons with sharp reactions.
I shouldn't have called them morons. They aren't.  Self-loving, power-seeking narcissists would have been better.

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« Reply #619 on: April 02, 2020, 08:47:40 pm »

It's not predicting when you see what was working elsewhere like South Korea or China.
Americans wouldn't stand for what they did especially in China.  We're a free people. Plus, it seems the Chinese leadership has lied about how bad it was and is causing the disaster in the rest of the world.  I can't believe you think it's better in China.  Heck, the disease started there.  Maybe you should send a note of thanks to Xi.   
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