Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Robert Roaldi]

I don't believe I've read any commentary here about that sh*t show press conference where one (or maybe more than one) CEO(s) alternately praised god, praised Trump, then praised god for bringing them Trump, followed by Trump doing an informercial for his CEO buddies on the taxpayer's dime. Tell me, was there anyone watching who didn't puke? Please tell me people don't fall for this third-rate crap. Soviet "social realist art" was more subtle.

[faberryman]

I don't believe I've read any commentary here about that sh*t show press conference where one (or maybe more than one) CEO(s) alternately praised god, praised Trump, then praised god for bringing them Trump, followed by Trump doing an informercial for his CEO buddies on the taxpayer's dime. Tell me, was there anyone watching who didn't puke? Please tell me people don't fall for this third-rate crap. Soviet "social realist art" was more subtle.

I missed it, but will certainly not be buying new pillows any time soon.

[JoeKitchen]

I don't believe I've read any commentary here about that sh*t show press conference where one (or maybe more than one) CEO(s) alternately praised god, praised Trump, then praised god for bringing them Trump, followed by Trump doing an informercial for his CEO buddies on the taxpayer's dime. Tell me, was there anyone watching who didn't puke? Please tell me people don't fall for this third-rate crap. Soviet "social realist art" was more subtle.

Did you listen to the whole thing?  Or are you just rehashing what the liberal press wants you to think? 

Yes, the whole God part kind of through me off, but the guy is using nearly all of his production capacity to produce needed medical equipment.  He is dedicating his call centers to help distributors of medical equipment (in addition to whatever he is producing) to stream line shipments. 

What are you doing other then posting on this forum?  Yes, you can say the same about me, and neither of us deserve presidential credit. 

This guy does for what he is doing. 

He is helping out with the cause. 

[Craig Lamson]

I don't believe I've read any commentary here about that sh*t show press conference where one (or maybe more than one) CEO(s) alternately praised god, praised Trump, then praised god for bringing them Trump, followed by Trump doing an informercial for his CEO buddies on the taxpayer's dime. Tell me, was there anyone watching who didn't puke? Please tell me people don't fall for this third-rate crap. Soviet "social realist art" was more subtle.

So, someone who has converted his factories to produce PPE's in a time of crisis, dares to mention that maybe people might look towards God for comfort gets your goat?  Really?  That they might  be a Trump supporter and are glad he got elected? Thats whats working you up?  Really? Or is it that Trump is doing something good...thats working you up?  Really?

[Robert Roaldi]

First, I'm genuinely glad to hear he's doing something other than helping Trump with his re-election campaign.

Second, don't make this personal, I have as much right to criticize as you do.

Third, there are millions of people doing the necessary, many of whom have drawn criticism from POTUS for reasons that only a therapist could explain.

You can spin it any way you want, and you can even take it out on me, but it was an embarrassing over the top display of partisan bullsh*t during a press conference where very serious issues were being addressed. The story is about people getting sick, it's not about Trump.

[JoeKitchen]

It was an impromptu speech and stated as much before he gave it. 

This was not a planned Trump rally. 

Quick question, were you just as upset when Obama was given praise after Sandy for pretty much doing nothing more then what the federal government does during a disaster?  There was a lot of Obama ass kissing going on afterwards, and I cant remember anyone really complaining about it. 

[Craig Lamson]

First, I'm genuinely glad to hear he's doing something other than helping Trump with his re-election campaign.

Second, don't make this personal, I have as much right to criticize as you do.

Third, there are millions of people doing the necessary, many of whom have drawn criticism from POTUS for reasons that only a therapist could explain.

You can spin it any way you want, and you can even take it out on me, but it was an embarrassing over the top display of partisan bullsh*t during a press conference where very serious issues were being addressed. The story is about people getting sick, it's not about Trump.

Yes, its about people getting sick and others stepping up to help them, both with physical things and perhaps spiritual support.  If religion is not your thing, thats cool.  For others it is.  He is surely allowed ot praise Trump and his God on the nation stage just as others do the opposite to Trump.  But like it or not, its Trumps bully pulpit, and he gets to decide how to use it. 

[Robert Roaldi]

It was an impromptu speech and stated as much before he gave it. 

This was not a planned Trump rally. 

Quick question, were you just as upset when Obama was given praise after Sandy for pretty much doing nothing more then what the federal government does during a disaster?  There was a lot of Obama ass kissing going on afterwards, and I cant remember anyone really complaining about it.

Interesting question. I don't know why you think it's relevant. As a matter of fact, I don't remember taking notice of Obama during that episode. Or ever, really. I don't live in the USA, don't often pay much attention. This whole Covid-19 contagion and response is a highly unusual situation. Normally, I'm not very interested in partisan US politics, however Trump is a preposterous enough figure that it's difficult not to notice what he says or does.

The reason Trump's behaviour is attracting this much attention worldwide is that between the time the idiotic Chinese government finally told WHO what was going on (Jan 9 or 12 or something) until about March 15, Trump is on record many times saying that the virus was nothing to worry about and the rest of the country took little action. They had 2 months of watching what was happening in other countries. Maybe you think this is some kind of anti-Trump or even anti-American gloating, but what it really is utter astonishment by most people on earth that the richest country in the world with presumably one of the best medical systems could let this happen. People are shit-scared that if it could happen to you, then it could happen to them, and people are watching closely to figure out what went wrong. Because a lot went wrong, just look at the numbers. No one is taking pleasure in this, least of all me. I have friends and relations living in the northeast US.

[Alan Klein]

Interesting question. I don't know why you think it's relevant. As a matter of fact, I don't remember taking notice of Obama during that episode. Or ever, really. I don't live in the USA, don't often pay much attention. This whole Covid-19 contagion and response is a highly unusual situation. Normally, I'm not very interested in partisan US politics, however Trump is a preposterous enough figure that it's difficult not to notice what he says or does.

The reason Trump's behaviour is attracting this much attention worldwide is that between the time the idiotic Chinese government finally told WHO what was going on (Jan 9 or 12 or something) until about March 15, Trump is on record many times saying that the virus was nothing to worry about and the rest of the country took little action. They had 2 months of watching what was happening in other countries. Maybe you think this is some kind of anti-Trump or even anti-American gloating, but what it really is utter astonishment by most people on earth that the richest country in the world with presumably one of the best medical systems could let this happen. People are shit-scared that if it could happen to you, then it could happen to them, and people are watching closely to figure out what went wrong. Because a lot went wrong, just look at the numbers. No one is taking pleasure in this, least of all me. I have friends and relations living in the northeast US.

Hindsight is 20/20.  Trump did close down travel from China at the end of January followed by shutting down travel from Europe. Of course that wasn;t enough.  But it's easy to know the winner at the end of a horse race.  If he told everyone to wear a mask and keep 6 feet away from each other and don;t go to theaters, you guys would have called him nuts.  So it really doesn;t matter what he did.  If fact, Biden and other Democrats did call him nuts when he shut down travel.  So now, everyone is a genius after they're told E=MC2.  It's all politics because of the election.

[JoeKitchen]

Interesting question. I don't know why you think it's relevant. As a matter of fact, I don't remember taking notice of Obama during that episode. Or ever, really. I don't live in the USA, don't often pay much attention. This whole Covid-19 contagion and response is a highly unusual situation. Normally, I'm not very interested in partisan US politics, however Trump is a preposterous enough figure that it's difficult not to notice what he says or does.

The reason Trump's behaviour is attracting this much attention worldwide is that between the time the idiotic Chinese government finally told WHO what was going on (Jan 9 or 12 or something) until about March 15, Trump is on record many times saying that the virus was nothing to worry about and the rest of the country took little action. They had 2 months of watching what was happening in other countries. Maybe you think this is some kind of anti-Trump or even anti-American gloating, but what it really is utter astonishment by most people on earth that the richest country in the world with presumably one of the best medical systems could let this happen. People are shit-scared that if it could happen to you, then it could happen to them, and people are watching closely to figure out what went wrong. Because a lot went wrong, just look at the numbers. No one is taking pleasure in this, least of all me. I have friends and relations living in the northeast US.

First, it matters because it shows the hypocrisy of the media.  They are only being critical because he is a republican.  When Obama had his ass kissed up and down after Sandy, no one in the media had any complaints. 

Second, your observation on the partisan politics also shows the hypocrisy here since every single politician in the USA said this was no big deal.  Trump closing the borders in January was even being criticized for doing so by the Dems at the time. 

Sure, he downplayed it in February, but so did everyone and every major news report.  The NY Times reported that hysteria was spreading faster then the virus, and told us we had nothing to worry about. 

Fact is, everyone has egg on their face over this, and we should not be playing partisan politics (except with De Blasio; he's a jack ass), but the media cant help themselves.  They are so entrenched in attacking republicans that it is natural for them.  Thanksfully though they no longer have a monopoly on news, and many Americans are figuring this out. 

Like I stated recently, since this broke out, the only institution where Americans had a decrease in trust/approval is the American media.  Every other major institution has seen an increase in approval and trust. 

This is no ones' fault.

[Robert Roaldi]

First, it matters because it shows the hypocrisy of the media.  They are only being critical because he is a republican.  When Obama had his ass kissed up and down after Sandy, no one in the media had any complaints. 

Second, your observation on the partisan politics also shows the hypocrisy here since every single politician in the USA said this was no big deal.  Trump closing the borders in January was even being criticized for doing so by the Dems at the time. 

Sure, he downplayed it in February, but so did everyone and every major news report.  The NY Times reported that hysteria was spreading faster then the virus, and told us we had nothing to worry about. 

Fact is, everyone has egg on their face over this, and we should not be playing partisan politics (except with De Blasio; he's a jack ass), but the media cant help themselves.  They are so entrenched in attacking republicans that it is natural for them.  Thanksfully though they no longer have a monopoly on news, and many Americans are figuring this out. 

Like I stated recently, since this broke out, the only institution where Americans had a decrease in trust/approval is the American media.  Every other major institution has seen an increase in approval and trust.

I find that confusing. The fact that all your politicians didn't see this coming (or did and failed to act) is the problem. The problem isn't the media.

It's silly to blame one "side" or the other, it's only the side that is in office who can take action. Who but the people in office should carry the can when they don't, and why shouldn't the press criticize them when they fail? That's their job. The press is not the government's marketing department.

I've said this before on this site many times, if the people in office are pissed off at the press, that is only proof that the press is doing a good job.

For all I know, it could very well be the case that Obama charmed the press better than Trump does. It's plausible enough. But I thought Trump was supposed to be a really skilled CEO with a knowledge of how to handle the media. Well, let's see some of that expertise in action. He had majorities in both houses, still does in one, and you blame the press for his failings? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

[JoeKitchen]

I find that confusing. The fact that all your politicians didn't see this coming (or did and failed to act) is the problem. The problem isn't the media.

It's silly to blame one "side" or the other, it's only the side that is in office who can take action. Who but the people in office should carry the can when they don't, and why shouldn't the press criticize them when they fail? That's their job. The press is not the government's marketing department.

I've said this before on this site many times, if the people in office are pissed off at the press, that is only proof that the press is doing a good job.

For all I know, it could very well be the case that Obama charmed the press better than Trump does. It's plausible enough. But I thought Trump was supposed to be a really skilled CEO with a knowledge of how to handle the media. Well, let's see some of that expertise in action. He had majorities in both houses, still does in one, and you blame the press for his failings? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is the truth. 

Another recent example, 5 days ago a sexual assault allegation was issued against Biden.  Now Biden has been given interviews since then, and even though Biden said during the Kavanaugh hearings that every women who comes forward should believed, not a single interviewer in the media asked him about it.  Not one. 

Meanwhile, back during the Kavanaugh hearings, the media collectively lost it with a less credible allegation.  The media is biased against republicans and I, for one, am glad we finally have a republican that is willing to stand up to it. 

With this crisis, every Dem worked against Trump when he even tried to implement the travel ban.  Pelosi gave an interview in Chinatown in San Fran and encouraged people to come dow to the crowded area and enjoy the Chinese culture.  Now, nothing wrong with doing so, but people visiting from China more then likely go to Chinatown, and in a crammed area you are more likely to get the virus. 

As Alan said, hindsight is 20/20, and no one could have seen this coming.  No one on the right nor the left raised any alarms.  They are all equally at fault.  The republicans had the presidency and the dems had the co-equal house.

 Both parties were in charge and both blew it. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

...  As Alan said, hindsight is 20/20, and no one could have seen this coming.  No one on the right nor the left raised any alarms.  They are all equally at fault.  The republicans had the presidency and the dems had the co-equal house.

 Both parties were in charge and both blew it. 

I would say, nobody is at fault.

Otherwise, you are contradicting the hindsight bias you just mentioned. At every given stage of the events, people, including Trump, were trying their best. No truth is simple, and everything in life is a trade-off. Given the same set of facts, two people would come to a different conclusion, given their preferences for trade-offs. This is true even for the most benevolent intentions.

The situation has been akin to Monday-morning quarterbacking, except every day has been a Monday this year. Every single day the situation changes, and every single day people were trying to make the best decisions based on the available information at that moment. In addition to that, they had to deal with decisions that were made by someone else in the past and in completely different circumstances, going deep several previous administrations.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Furious Italian Vice President removes European Union flag for not helping Coronavirus hit Italy [the vice president of the Italian Chamber of Deputies (lower house of parliament)  Fabio Rampelli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk232l2JJRg

Disclaimer: not sure about the veracity of the event

[Alan Klein]

Furious Italian Vice President removes European Union flag for not helping Coronavirus hit Italy [the vice president of the Italian Chamber of Deputies (lower house of parliament)  Fabio Rampelli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk232l2JJRg

Disclaimer: not sure about the veracity of the event

That's because the only Italians in the EU are Italian.

[Alan Klein]

Corid-19 is turning everyone into Democrats including me.  We're all staying at home, not working, complaining about everything, and waiting for a check from the government.

[John Camp]

Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is the truth. 

Another recent example, 5 days ago a sexual assault allegation was issued against Biden.  Now Biden has been given interviews since then, and even though Biden said during the Kavanaugh hearings that every women who comes forward should believed, not a single interviewer in the media asked him about it.  Not one. 

Meanwhile, back during the Kavanaugh hearings, the media collectively lost it with a less credible allegation.  The media is biased against republicans and I, for one, am glad we finally have a republican that is willing to stand up to it.
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The media is being careful because the woman who made the accusation is a crank who is apparently infatuated with Vladimir Putin and whose several comments about Biden have increased from having been touched on the neck to having been "digitally penetrated." The alleged event happened almost thirty years ago, and her accusations have increased in severity since she became involved with the Bernie Sanders campaign, and some of her accusations have been denied by female witnesses in whom she said she'd confided. There are also some questions about how this might have happened? Was she naked? How do you get "digitally penetrated" in an office setting if you're wearing both pants or a dress, and underwear? The accusation also places Biden in a completely untenable position -- how can you deny something that supposedly happened in private so long ago? In other words, it's very possibly bullshit, unlike the "grab them by the pussy" comment made by Trump on a video camera. And that's why the media is being careful.

I have to tell you, Joe, I think you have been seriously gaslighted by Trump and his media supporters, and you really ought to stick to commenting on cheese, which I have found somewhat interesting.

[JoeKitchen]

The media is being careful because the woman who made the accusation is a crank who is apparently infatuated with Vladimir Putin and whose several comments about Biden have increased from having been touched on the neck to having been "digitally penetrated." The alleged event happened almost thirty years ago, and her accusations have increased in severity since she became involved with the Bernie Sanders campaign, and some of her accusations have been denied by female witnesses in whom she said she'd confided. There are also some questions about how this might have happened? Was she naked? How do you get "digitally penetrated" in an office setting if you're wearing both pants or a dress, and underwear? The accusation also places Biden in a completely untenable position -- how can you deny something that supposedly happened in private so long ago? In other words, it's very possibly bullshit, unlike the "grab them by the pussy" comment made by Trump on a video camera. And that's why the media is being careful.

I have to tell you, Joe, I think you have been seriously gaslighted by Trump and his media supporters, and you really ought to stick to commenting on cheese, which I have found somewhat interesting.

So what you’re saying is we should not take all sexual allegations seriously? 

Funny, but that is not how it played during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

And just for the record, I dont think her story is credible.  But it is more so then Blasey Ford's story, and Biden is not running for the court but for president.  It should get just as much scrutiny as Ford's. 

It is just an example of media bias.

But I can tell you this, it is going to an issue in the election cycle.  Better to deal with it now then later.  If HRC had owned up the email thing and got it over with in February, she would have won.  Biden is making the same mistake. 

[MattBurt]

Corid-19 is turning everyone into Democrats including me.  We're all staying at home, not working, complaining about everything, and waiting for a check from the government.

Well this (sort of) Democrat is staying home, working, and not counting on a check. They can put mine toward rebuilding the pandemic response team we used to have.
I'm only a Democrat by default. I'm more of a non-Republican.

[Alan Klein]

The media is being careful because the woman who made the accusation is a crank who is apparently infatuated with Vladimir Putin and whose several comments about Biden have increased from having been touched on the neck to having been "digitally penetrated." The alleged event happened almost thirty years ago, and her accusations have increased in severity since she became involved with the Bernie Sanders campaign, and some of her accusations have been denied by female witnesses in whom she said she'd confided. There are also some questions about how this might have happened? Was she naked? How do you get "digitally penetrated" in an office setting if you're wearing both pants or a dress, and underwear? The accusation also places Biden in a completely untenable position -- how can you deny something that supposedly happened in private so long ago? In other words, it's very possibly bullshit, unlike the "grab them by the pussy" comment made by Trump on a video camera. And that's why the media is being careful.

I have to tell you, Joe, I think you have been seriously gaslighted by Trump and his media supporters, and you really ought to stick to commenting on cheese, which I have found somewhat interesting.

Biden's touchy-feely demeanor around women including getting close and sniffing their hair certainly adds more credibility to the women than the accusers of Kavanaugh.  But like I said before, the media will protect Biden.  By the way, there's nothing wrong with keeping politicians honest, as you said earlier.  The problem is they should do it on all sides so the public can get fair and balanced news rather than lopsided reporting.