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Re: Covid 19 Updates Part 2
« Reply #260 on: March 31, 2020, 12:49:59 pm »

It's been reported in a few different major outlets. 

Additionally, there have been others who have noted that the creameries in Wuhan have a max capacity per day and have been burning bodies non-stop.  If you multiply this capacity by the total number of days they have been active, you get around 45,000 bodies having been cream mated.  These are from separate sources. 

On top of that, more sources have been reporting that China is paying people for their silence.  I think the amount is around 5000 yen per family. 

You really need to be a fool to believe any info coming from the Chinese government as of now, especially after how many known lies they published in the beginning of this.  And to believe any info on China coming from the WHO you would need to be equally foolish.  They were the ones telling the world in the middle of January that this disease did not have community spread capabilities, taking the word of the Chinese without sending a single person to Wuhan. 

You really think they just throw out all foreign journalists because of a spat they have with Trump?  No, they used that as an excuse so they could continue the coverup.

Yep...keep reading all the internet junk...it's all true...and keep believing what you hear from your own government...that's all true too.
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« Reply #261 on: March 31, 2020, 12:50:34 pm »

Wuhan residents estimate region's coronavirus death toll much higher than reported

Report of Urns Stacked at Wuhan Funeral Homes Raises Questions About the Real Coronavirus Death Toll in China

The articles above show that the estimate is that 42K to 47K urns have been delivered and handed out during this.  The Newsweek article goes a little further by subtracting the historical death numbers from years prior for the same period and gets around 26K corona deaths. 

This is a drastically higher number then the sub 3000 China is putting out. 
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« Reply #262 on: March 31, 2020, 12:52:48 pm »

Yep...keep reading all the internet junk...it's all true...and keep believing what you hear from your own government...that's all true too.

And you keep on believing a communist government that has already been caught lying several times about this one event already. 

I'll let others decide who is more ignorant. 
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« Reply #263 on: March 31, 2020, 12:55:17 pm »

So China is perhaps not being honest of its death toll from the coronavirus. This is not surprising, so I am not sure why you are all worked up about it.
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« Reply #264 on: March 31, 2020, 12:57:50 pm »

So China is perhaps not being honest of its death toll from the coronavirus. This is not surprising, so I am not sure why you are all worked up about it.

I was just pointing out that that graph is probably not 100% accurate since it relies on the official Chinese data.  This should have been at least stated on it somewhere. 

For instance, if you look up drinking rates on a per state basis in the USA, many accurate graphs or tables make sure to list Utah's high mormon population to clarify why that state is so low compared to the rest.  I would expect a similar note on these graphs. 
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« Reply #265 on: March 31, 2020, 01:08:45 pm »

And you keep on believing a communist government that has already been caught lying several times about this one event already. 

I'll let others decide who is more ignorant.

And your commander in chief has never lied...you really believe everything they tell you? Well all I can say is good luck.
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« Reply #266 on: March 31, 2020, 01:13:10 pm »

The government will be sending out recovery checks soon, a good thing IMO. But it seems that Trump wants his signature on the checks instead of the usual treasury secretary (or whoever). Could there be better example of his pettiness and egotism?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-wants-his-signature-to-appear-on-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-2020-03-28
It's for the election not pettiness or egotism.   Obama did similar things during the last economic crisis in 2009.  Some Democrat politician recently said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."  Politicians are all the same.  Trump's crassness is just more obvious.  As a non politician, he never learned how to be smooth about these things.  He oversells himself like the marketeer he is. 

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« Reply #267 on: March 31, 2020, 01:21:34 pm »

I was just pointing out that that graph is probably not 100% accurate since it relies on the official Chinese data.  This should have been at least stated on it somewhere. 

For instance, if you look up drinking rates on a per state basis in the USA, many accurate graphs or tables make sure to list Utah's high mormon population to clarify why that state is so low compared to the rest.  I would expect a similar note on these graphs.

It's kind of a pointless discussion, I guess, because I don't know what's actually happening. I don't doubt the Chinese government's wanting to hide things, it would not surprise anyone. But you'd think that if they were trying to hide the burning of 48,000 bodies they'd have enough sense to prevent the shipment of urns to the area. I mean, even I would think of that.

And this has been asked before in other contexts, but why is it that these news sites are trustworthy when they tell you what YOU want to hear but purveyors of fake news otherwise. Until they're confirmed by others, with real pictures, I'm skeptical. I'm not skeptical because I have faith in communist governments, I'm skeptical because hiding a conspiracy this big is too big a pill for me to swallow. In my experience you can't get 3 people in a room to agree on the colour of the wall when they're all looking at it in the same light.

How could China fail at hiding the start of the infection but suddenly be successful at hiding a much bigger story now when far more people know about it?

I'm open to the idea that something might be going on, but I'm not convinced it's what you say.
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« Reply #268 on: March 31, 2020, 01:23:20 pm »

New plan to defeat the virus.

Belarus’ president dismisses coronavirus risk, encourages citizens to drink vodka and visit saunas
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-belarus-urges-citizens-to-drink-vodka-visit-saunas.html

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« Reply #269 on: March 31, 2020, 01:31:58 pm »

And your commander in chief has never lied...you really believe everything they tell you? Well all I can say is good luck.

Annnnnnnd .... I dont! 

But then again, I'm not the one insisting that we believe a communist government that has a history of lying. 
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« Reply #270 on: March 31, 2020, 01:32:28 pm »

It's kind of a pointless discussion, I guess, because I don't know what's actually happening. I don't doubt the Chinese government's wanting to hide things, it would not surprise anyone. But you'd think that if they were trying to hide the burning of 48,000 bodies they'd have enough sense to prevent the shipment of urns to the area. I mean, even I would think of that.

And this has been asked before in other contexts, but why is it that these news sites are trustworthy when they tell you what YOU want to hear but purveyors of fake news otherwise. Until they're confirmed by others, with real pictures, I'm skeptical. I'm not skeptical because I have faith in communist governments, I'm skeptical because hiding a conspiracy this big is too big a pill for me to swallow. In my experience you can't get 3 people in a room to agree on the colour of the wall when they're all looking at it in the same light.

How could China fail at hiding the start of the infection but suddenly be successful at hiding a much bigger story now when far more people know about it?

I'm open to the idea that something might be going on, but I'm not convinced it's what you say.

I've said awhile ago they have an antidote.

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« Reply #271 on: March 31, 2020, 01:35:19 pm »

Annnnnnnd .... I dont! 

But then again, I'm not the one insisting that we believe a communist government that has a history of lying. 
The ChiComs never told us the truth about what happened to that guy in front of the tank who was never heard from again.

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« Reply #272 on: March 31, 2020, 01:36:13 pm »

It's kind of a pointless discussion, I guess, because I don't know what's actually happening. I don't doubt the Chinese government's wanting to hide things, it would not surprise anyone. But you'd think that if they were trying to hide the burning of 48,000 bodies they'd have enough sense to prevent the shipment of urns to the area. I mean, even I would think of that.

And this has been asked before in other contexts, but why is it that these news sites are trustworthy when they tell you what YOU want to hear but purveyors of fake news otherwise. Until they're confirmed by others, with real pictures, I'm skeptical. I'm not skeptical because I have faith in communist governments, I'm skeptical because hiding a conspiracy this big is too big a pill for me to swallow. In my experience you can't get 3 people in a room to agree on the colour of the wall when they're all looking at it in the same light.

How could China fail at hiding the start of the infection but suddenly be successful at hiding a much bigger story now when far more people know about it?

I'm open to the idea that something might be going on, but I'm not convinced it's what you say.

I believe you have me confused with someone else when it comes to insisting on calling all news fake news. 

But anyway, of course it is hard to keep things a secret when so many would be able to out you.  But this has not stopped them in the past for trying.  Remember they lied about when they knew about the virus and they are still trying to sell this lie, even though all reporting states otherwise. 

So I am sure when the real story comes out on the real death figures, they will still try and continue to sell this one, and even get WHO to help them out. 

The Chinese know that controlling the narrative often produces the results you want, and they will continue this game until we call them out on it. 
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« Reply #273 on: March 31, 2020, 01:38:34 pm »

The ChiComs never told us the truth about what happened to that guy in front of the tank who was never heard from again.

They also never told us what happened to the Panchen Lama they abducted.  When the Dalia Lama dies, I would not be surprised if they have their faux Panchen Lama pick a Chinese friendly replacement. 
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« Reply #274 on: March 31, 2020, 01:46:09 pm »

The ChiComs never told us the truth about what happened to that guy in front of the tank who was never heard from again.
I am shocked, absolutely shocked.
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« Reply #275 on: March 31, 2020, 01:46:50 pm »

The regular flu killed 50,000 Americans last year.  We're no where near that point with C-19.  I was hoping that the new virus wouldn't be as bad.  Are you hoping it'll be worse?

The CDC estimated that 32,400 people died from flu and complications in the 2018-19 flue season. Numbers for the 2019-2020 season are not yet known.
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« Reply #276 on: March 31, 2020, 01:51:01 pm »

The CDC estimated that 32,400 people died from flu and complications in the 2018-19 flue season. Numbers for the 2019-2020 season are not yet known.
Come on John. Don't let the facts get in the way of the narrative.
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« Reply #277 on: March 31, 2020, 01:51:57 pm »

They also never told us what happened to the Panchen Lama they abducted.  When the Dalia Lama dies, I would not be surprised if they have their faux Panchen Lama pick a Chinese friendly replacement.

Can you perhaps try, just try, to keep at least slightly on point?

Jeremy
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« Reply #278 on: March 31, 2020, 01:55:01 pm »

Yes!, and don't forget to mention many countries are turning them away due to poor quality.  Maybe they are keeping the better stuff for themselves? ???

China is trying to control the narrative right now, and since they have no problem welding their people into their houses, or jailing those who speak out against the government, I see no reason not to believe they would deny their citizens medical supplies just to get good press. 

It really is amazing how many people even on here fall for their propaganda.

I could not care less whether China are lying or not. Even with their official numbers, it is possible to study the spreading rate of the virus, and what are the efficient manners of containing it, plus how long the thing will most likely last.

The only case I know of "bad supplies" was a lot of 30,000 tests that the spanish gov. bought from a chinese company - who was not certified, something that would have been easy to check, had the spanish gov. carried out due diligence.

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« Reply #279 on: March 31, 2020, 02:04:59 pm »

Come on John. Don't let the facts get in the way of the narrative.
The number of deaths for 2017-2018 were 61,000, higher than my 50,000 reference number.  I was using 50,000 as an average estimate.The point is the covid number hasn't yet gotten anywhere near that close.  You're the one using facts to get in the way of the truth rather than looking at them honestly.

CDC Estimate: 45 Million Flu Cases, 61,000 Flu-Associated Deaths in 2017-2018 U.S. Flu Season
https://cnsnews.com/article/international/michael-w-chapman/cdc-estimate-45-million-flu-cases-61000-flu-associated
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