Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[faberryman]

Is your understanding of how international travel works so limited that you think that everyone coming into the US from overseas lands directly at the airport in their hometown?  That many make one or more other flights, train rides, cab rides or even Ubers to get home?  How many more people will they be in contact with?  Or want about those who are not residents but were visitors?  This is nothing about having a party but rather the massive logistics of dealing with 3 million people.

Fine, but then let's not pretend we sealed off the border from the virus.

[Craig Lamson]

I don't see the laws being any different here in Canada. Are Americans so hung up on their constitutional rights that they would not self isolate to possibly save other people's lives. Are your damn rights so important to you that you'd risk infecting...and leading others to death? Where's the humanity in you?

Massive swaths of Americans are self isolating.  I've been in for three weeks now.  I've been an advocate for this for at least that long or longer. I'm not happy with those who have decided it does not matter to them.   

And yes our damn rights are very important to us.  We are not subjects. 

[hogloff]

Good grief.  Are words like "I hope",  "Maybe",  "it would be great", "its an asperation" missing from your reading capacity?

Are those leadership words. I hope we did the right thing. It would be great if this virus just magically goes away. Is that what would inspire you to go the extra mile and self isolate.

Charge!!! Let's get behind our leader...he thinks this virus will be gone by Easter.

[Craig Lamson]

Fine, but then let's not pretend we sealed off the border from the virus.

No one said we did.  We stopped some travel early but even that was bitched and moaned about. We still had a duty to bring our citizens home as well. 

[hogloff]

Is your understanding of how international travel works so limited that you think that everyone coming into the US from overseas lands directly at the airport in their hometown?  That many make one or more other flights, train rides, cab rides or even Ubers to get home?  How many more people will they be in contact with?  Or want about those who are not residents but were visitors?  This is nothing about having a party but rather the massive logistics of dealing with 3 million people.
 

Yes it's a tough issue...but is the solution to take the easy route and do nothing?

[Craig Lamson]

Are those leadership words. I hope we did the right thing. It would be great if this virus just magically goes away. Is that what would inspire you to go the extra mile and self isolate.

Charge!!! Let's get behind our leader...he thinks this virus will be gone by Easter.

Reading is still beyond your ken as is the concept of giving people some hope along with the medicine. 

[James Clark]

Are those leadership words. I hope we did the right thing. It would be great if this virus just magically goes away. Is that what would inspire you to go the extra mile and self isolate.

Charge!!! Let's get behind our leader...he thinks this virus will be gone by Easter.

You need to chill.  Our best men are on it. - what could possibly go wrong?  I mean, it's not like he put his kid on the board of a foreign oil company or something.  That would be scandalous. 

[Craig Lamson]

Yes it's a tough issue...but is the solution to take the easy route and do nothing?

Are you being serious? You think nothing was done?

[Craig Lamson]

You need to chill.  Our best men are on it. - what could possibly go wrong?  I mean, it's not like he put his kid on the board of a foreign oil company or something.  That would be scandalous.

You forget this in your post James: [sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

[JoeKitchen]

No; a lot of people cares about Canada; there are many there of UK descent and thousands there faithfully buy - or are sent - Scottish calendars of glens, mountains and northern beaches. Had I gone down that route I would probably have never retired: cupidity might well have driven me to an early grave. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Scots fans of Canada than there are French ones!

But politically, the reason people are bogged down in US politics is Trump: he is such an unexpected, unmitigated misfit for the rôle of president that the world can't help itself watching out for the next disaster in the slow-mo train-wreck show. Added interest is that unlike in the movies, what this guy does affects all countries, not because he is a savant, a wunderkind of any sort even, but because he happens to be at the wheel of the world's biggest war and economic machine that is hurtling along, effectively out of control.

That many of its passengers are telling one another that everything is cool, that the best thing to do is go make another cheese, go shoot another camper van and, most certainly, invest in an extension to the armoury only adds drama to the background scenery. Some external observers even wonder if they are actually watching a very expensive and long-running commercial for a new Amazon or Netflix show.

Oh Please Rob. 

No one cares about Canadian politics but Canadians, no one cares about German politics but Germans, no one cares about Japanese politics but Japanese, and, aside from Brexit, no one care about British politics but Brits. 

Yet, for some reason, everyone and their mother has an acute interest in USA politics, and dont tell it is because of Trump.  It isn't!  This has been going on long before Trump was in office.  I can remember being questioned repeatably when I was in my early 20s and traveling about Bush.  Even in this thread, there has been keen interest in our 2nd amendment and gun rights, which has nothing to do with Trump. 

It is a fallacy that it is due to Trump.  People just like to pile on USA politics for some reason.

I have to give you credit for that last paragraph though.      I'll be starting a Camembert this weekend, albeit by myself in quarantine.   

[James Clark]

You forget this in your post James: [sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

Appreciate the edit

It gives me some hope that even my friends on the right think this is a WTF move.  Probably there are some lefties out there among my fellow travelers that would be fine with Trump falling flat on his face in dealing with this, but I for one am not one of them, and find that abhorrent.  I hope dealing with the crisis is his (Trump's) greatest success (I mean, I guess hope Kushner comes through too, but...), and this action (letting Kushner into the middle of this) is really discouraging.

[JoeKitchen]

Appreciate the edit

It gives me some hope that even my friends on the right think this is a WTF move.  Probably there are some lefties out there among my fellow travelers that would be fine with Trump falling flat on his face in dealing with this, but I for one am not one of them, and find that abhorrent.  I hope this dealing with they crisis is his (Trump's) greatest success (I mean, I guess hope Kushner comes through too, but...), and this action (letting Kushner into the middle of this) is really discouraging.

I'm not going to lie, I was not really enthused after watching him talk.  He looked like a high school boy asking a girl out for the first time. 

[John Camp]

I'm watching video on CNN of civil servants (I guess) picking up bodies on the streets in Ecuador.

[John Camp]

Kuchner said that the federal governments stockpile of equipment is "Our" stockpile, not the states. :-)

[John Camp]

Alan, I've been going back through the pages I missed since last night, and I understand your concern about inflation and economic damage. You have yet to notice, apparently, that because of the President's courageous actions, there will apparently be a lot fewer people on Social Security in the near future, which really should help hold down those costs.

[JoeKitchen]

Kuchner said that the federal governments stockpile of equipment is "Our" stockpile, not the states. :-)

Either this is not an accurate quote, or he did not fully explain himself, or you did not bother to fully listen.  Although given his lack of public speaking abilities, I would not be surprised if he did not fully address the issue. 

The stock pile was partially depleted in 2009 and never restocked up to it's previous quantity.  Thus, when this all began, we did not have as much as we would have and were working with short supplies.  We therefore sent out as much as we could afford to while still keeping enough stock for federal government and military usage. 

It is not that we did not send out supplies.  It is just that we sent out as much as we could before we had to stop to ensure federal nurses and other medical personal in the federal government can have access to the supplies as well. 

After all, federal medical professionals also need this PPE as well. 

[Alan Klein]

You are being obtuse here. The drug is accessible for physicians to prescribe in the hospital setting, just harder to call in prescriptions to the outpatient pharmacies. It's not that difficult really. Not everything revolves around Trump outside of your world.

Biden mentioned he's thinking about Gov Whitmer for his VP.  To believe that she came out threatening doctors who prescribe the use of this drug immediately after Trump's comment is lacking credulity. She has subsequently reversed herself eliminating the threat after taking a lot of heat for her orders. 

[William Walker]

Maybe I can help (I still don't why I'm persisting with you Joe, I live in hope!): there are two reasons that I can think of.

1. Whether we like it or not, if the USA sneezes, we all catch a cold - inappropriate as that analogy might be at this time! Your economy affects lots of other countries, which is why it's also important to us that you don't have an arsehole in the White House.
2. You guys make it so easy for us. You keep telling the rest of us how great you are. You claim to have the best of everything, so when we see that you vote the world's greatest conman into office we all sit back and say, "this should be interesting"... And the last four years have been as Rob described earlier, "a slow-motion train wreck". So it stands to reason that when your behaviour is less than the "perfect" you claim, it gives us cause to chuckle.

The problem now, of course, is that this is no longer a laughing matter and we really are rooting for you guys to get over this with the minimum amount of heartache.

It just seems that you are making this as difficult as possible for yourselves.

But hey, you came late to World War 2 too, and look how you ended up!

[Martin Kristiansen]

Oh Please Rob. 

No one cares about Canadian politics but Canadians, no one cares about German politics but Germans, no one cares about Japanese politics but Japanese, and, aside from Brexit, no one care about British politics but Brits. 

Yet, for some reason, everyone and their mother has an acute interest in USA politics, and dont tell it is because of Trump.  It isn't!  This has been going on long before Trump was in office.  I can remember being questioned repeatably when I was in my early 20s and traveling about Bush.  Even in this thread, there has been keen interest in our 2nd amendment and gun rights, which has nothing to do with Trump. 

It is a fallacy that it is due to Trump.  People just like to pile on USA politics for some reason.

I have to give you credit for that last paragraph though.      I'll be starting a Camembert this weekend, albeit by myself in quarantine.   

Lot of stuff I like about the US, perhaps because I lived there for a short period. But the politics? Jeez it’s never ending, repetitive and boring as hell. I try to dredge up some interest now and again  because it sure seems to fascinate a lot of people and it horribly over reported in world news. The truth is I couldn’t really care less. (As some of us say)

[Alan Klein]

Different things.

So far there is no data that this will change its structure in a similar fashion to the flu virus. And that 40% is a little deceiving, even if you get it, if you had other flu vaccines in the past, you tend to have a milder form.

But no one's had vaccines for Corid-19.  So next year, even if everyone get the vaccine, it will be for the first time  If it's 40% effective as the flu vaccine, then 60% of the people are open to getting infected.  No one knows what's going to happen.  A lot of this is luck and up to God.  We're just not that smart.