Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Robert Roaldi]

But we have that pesky constitution.  And a rabid court system.  Has the Congress statrd the process of passing any laws that would remove our constitutional freedoms?  Can you imagine the howl if Trump said I'm taking over all the country because of this virus?

I'm simply being realistic here.  Any action will find those who disagree and when it comes to laws or Executive orders its going to go to court. 

Lets tak the situation as it concerns Sanctuary states and cities.  They say screw the Feds, we are not following your laws.  Don't like it, take us to court and we will tie this up for a few months or even years.

Apply that now.

It's a bit of a numbers game. If quarantining is not viable, perfectly understandable, it's still true that every person you can nudge, cajole, bully, shame, into staying home after returning from abroad is one less disease vector walking around. Here in Canada, the messaging to returning travellers was loud, consistent and unending. One result of that is public shaming by other people, which we heard about on media. I am sure that people don't like being lectured to, but I'm not too worried about their hurt feelings.

Was there a loud and persistent media campaign directed at returning travellers in the US? I get it that you won't get get 100% compliance, but in this game, a bunch of individual cases put together can make a real difference.

[armand]

Thank, you Bart, and Russia.

From my perspective, this is much more welcome than the Chinese help, however useful that one might be in medical terms. With the Chinese help come Chinese totalitarian mentality and advice. Hence the military with machine guns on the streets of Belgrade, draconian Martial law, arrests of journalists, arrest of pensioners for daring to venture out to get food. The we-love-our-pensioners government allows them to go shopping between 4am and 7am.

Because mother Russia will only bring flowers and vodka, courtesy of comrade Putin.

[JoeKitchen]

Joe, yes there are some out there that aren't totally following the rules...but far different than the mobs at spring break, the 1000 people attending churches etc... Night and Day.

I think you are benefiting by the fact that (a) no one out of Canada cares about Canada, so your stories of breaking the stay at home order is not receiving as much attention, and (b) it's still damn too cold to party like rockstars in Canada, whereas in FL it quite nice right now.  Sort of like how Sweden is doing better right now, but not because they actually took better measures, just that no one wants to travel to a country that gets dark at 2:30 in the afternoon during the winter. 

This has nothing to do with Canadians being better at this. 

[hogloff]

But some limits were made at the end of January when the American government stopped travelers from China.  It was a major policy decision considering that not much had happened here at that point.  Of course, knowing all the facts in retrospect, it's easy to be a genius.  The world is full of Monday morning quarterbacks.

It's not even Monday morning quarterbacks...it's game time quarterbacks. All Trump needed to do is see how others were dealing with the issues back then...so we wouldn't need to be Monday morning quarterbacks. It's simple...lack of testing and no isolation in the critical early weeks was a major flaw in the US response...this happened when other countries carried out extensive testing and strict quaranteening of people arriving from foreign countries.

I still have not heard of why this strategy was taken...no test and no quaranteen.

[Alan Klein]

Joe, yes there are some out there that aren't totally following the rules...but far different than the mobs at spring break, the 1000 people attending churches etc... Night and Day.

Most people aren't doing that.  The exceptions prove the rule.  Where I live, few are on the streets.  There's no place to go anyway.  A few in the parks; people shopping for food and supplies.  Those that are still working.  Pointing to sexually excited college kids high on pot and alcohol, is not the norm.  Well,  at my age, it's not the norm even during normal times.

[hogloff]

Once again, you want to quaranteen 3 million travelers?  Really?

You want to let 100,000 to 240,000 people die?

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

But many democratic governors stripped doctors' right to prescribe this drug just out of spite/hatred of Trump.

Proof?

[hogloff]

That they all tested negative already.

Right...and they can't pick up the virus anytime after the test? Naive thinking.

[hogloff]

But there is always plenty of 100% scientifically confirmed data to blame Trump, right?

Slobodan, you just don't make any sense...

[armand]

Right...and they can't pick up the virus anytime after the test? Naive thinking.

+1

Although naive would not be the word that I would use.

[Robert Roaldi]

I think you are benefiting by the fact that (a) no one out of Canada cares about Canada, so your stories of breaking the stay at home order is not receiving as much attention, and (b) it's still damn too cold to party like rockstars in Canada, whereas in FL it quite nice right now.  Sort of like how Sweden is doing better right now, but not because they actually took better measures, just that no one wants to travel to a country that gets dark at 2:30 in the afternoon during the winter. 

This has nothing to do with Canadians being better at this.

This is quite funny, thanks for the laugh. So it's the weather now, cold weather stops the virus. Hey wait, I thought that April and warm weather was going to stop the virus. I'm confused.

You are being argumentative. The disease spread is a multi-factored problem, getting lost in silly details is pointless.

No Canada isn't perfect. Why are we engaging in this grammar school "my dad is bigger than your dad" discussion?

Something off the charts is happening in the US at the moment. No one is attacking you about it, people are trying to understand why. You should too.

[JoeKitchen]

Proof?

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer hit for hydroxychloroquine crackdown as debate escalates

Nevada governor limits use of anti-malaria drugs for coronavirus patients

Not full out bans, but severe regulations on prescription. 

[Craig Lamson]

You want to let 100,000 to 240,000 people die?

I dont want anyone to die, but you still have not told me how you just lock up 3 million people.  You seem to think its simple.  Enlighten us.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

[...]Not full out bans, but severe regulations on prescription.

This may make sense (given the side-effects), but I do not know the reasoning that led to it.

[hogloff]

Frank, we keep going over the same points.  Foreigners from China are not American citizens. They have no legal right to enter this country.   It's easier to impose a ban on them then on American citizens who want to go home. 

How would you feel if on returning from an overseas trip, the airport immigration officer said you would have to stay in detention in some makeshift prison for 14 days?  Especially then, when there wasn't an declared national emergency that was even being discussed by the press who was talking about impeachment.  You'd be really pissed and rightly so.  If Trump did that and locked you up for 14 days, you'd be the first person complaining how he really is a dictator.  Your change in attitude now about how he should act isn't credible.   You'll damn him if he does and damn him if he doesn't.

Exactly what is happening here in Canada. Many snow birds arriving from their winter in the USA are self quaranteening for 14 days. Had two neighbours that returned in March. I helped them out by shopping for them. It's really not that hard as long as your leadership of the country is strong and delivers a consistent message to the people.

When the message is "it'll be over by Easter" the people will say the hell with quaranteening, it'll be over soon.

[Alan Klein]

It's not even Monday morning quarterbacks...it's game time quarterbacks. All Trump needed to do is see how others were dealing with the issues back then...so we wouldn't need to be Monday morning quarterbacks. It's simple...lack of testing and no isolation in the critical early weeks was a major flaw in the US response...this happened when other countries carried out extensive testing and strict quaranteening of people arriving from foreign countries.

I still have not heard of why this strategy was taken...no test and no quaranteen.

Perfect example of Monday morning quarterbacking.  He took some early measures like stopping Chinese tourists.  But he didn't go further because it didn't seem to warrant that at that time.  When things got worse in Europe, he went further and stopped tourists from Europe.  None of us can predict the future.  We do the best we can on a day-by-day basis.  Attacking Trump for limiting his response is just political in an election year.  Now that much I can predict. 

[JoeKitchen]

This is quite funny, thanks for the laugh. So it's the weather now, cold weather stops the virus. Hey wait, I thought that April and warm weather was going to stop the virus. I'm confused.

You are being argumentative. The disease spread is a multi-factored problem, getting lost in silly details is pointless.

No Canada isn't perfect. Why are we engaging in this grammar school "my dad is bigger than your dad" discussion?

Something off the charts is happening in the US at the moment. No one is attacking you about it, people are trying to understand why. You should too.

You completely missed the point. 

He was stating that the USA was having many more people disobeying the order then in Canada, and use spring break as an example. 

This is just not the case.  First, like I said no one cares enough about Canada to pay attention to it.  (There is no non-stop thread on here about Canadian politics, is there?)  So there is a media bias which publishes more USA examples. 

Second, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize less people go out and interact when it is cold then when it is sunny and warm.  Thus, stories like spring break are not going to be happening in Canada. 

[hogloff]

So, make it illegal to willingly endanger the health of others ...

There was a lady in Canada that failed to self quaranteen when tested positive with the virus. She got fined and a jail term. Yes, it is treated as endangering others...very much like drunk driving.

[JoeKitchen]

This may make sense (given the side-effects), but I do not know the reasoning that led to it.

A woman in NV drank fish bowl cleaner because it had a chemical similar in spelling to chloroquine.  Her husband died and she was hospitalized. 

FYI, she was a devote democrat and made several donations over the years, and had many anti-trump posts on her social platforms.  I would not be surprised if this was a political stunt that went awry. 

The ban was a knee-jerk reaction to this. 

[hogloff]

I think you are benefiting by the fact that (a) no one out of Canada cares about Canada, so your stories of breaking the stay at home order is not receiving as much attention, and (b) it's still damn too cold to party like rockstars in Canada, whereas in FL it quite nice right now.  Sort of like how Sweden is doing better right now, but not because they actually took better measures, just that no one wants to travel to a country that gets dark at 2:30 in the afternoon during the winter. 

This has nothing to do with Canadians being better at this.

Canada and the US share a lot in common and to contrast the approach by both countries is very interesting and eye opening. Florida being warm and known to attract huge crowds of people during spring break is even more reason to lock it down before it happened. You seem to use it as an excuse...it's a huge f'up that's going to kill thousands.