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« Reply #1120 on: March 24, 2020, 12:30:35 pm »

It's the same thing Peter.  Trump touted the trials just as Cuomo did.  The difference is how the press covered it.

With Cuomo it was real hope whereas when Trump talked about it, it was false hope.  If Trump is responsible for those death, so is Cuomo. 

As an aside, I dont hold either responsible. 

Here is a pretty non-biased article on what Trump was touting, Trump touts New York coronavirus trials as progress against pandemic  See, he is not hap hassardly suggesting we start using Chloroquine as a treatment, but was referencing the trials just as Cuomo did. 
Trump could walk on water and the biased press will say he's doing that because he doesn't know how to swim. 

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« Reply #1121 on: March 24, 2020, 12:34:54 pm »

And how often do I need to repeat myself that this is reasonable to expect in the beginning, but sooner or later it wont be. 

I have yet to see any plans on how to go forward when it is no longer practical for people to remain in doors. 

I might add, if people start seeing such "essential services" as landscaping being attended to, how long before they say screw it, and get back to work themselves?

I think you’ll like this op-ed piece, Joe, even though it’s from The NY Times. It’s a a coherent idea for a re-boot of business activity that incorporates a complete quarantine period of specified length, followed by targeted business re-openings. I’m sure there are plenty of flaws in the ideas, but it seems worthy of discussion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html?referringSource=articleShare
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« Reply #1122 on: March 24, 2020, 12:36:10 pm »

Has your country actually described what an essential job consists of, or is it left open to personal interpretation based upon a few vague suggestions?

FWIW, you should call your local guy in true blue and ask him to send a squad car over to the neighbour. But hey, maybe the neighbour owns a couple of guns...

What a bloody civil mess you guys have created for yourselves with your laws and ambitions optimised for an age long past.

As for that famous national notion of the freedom to do what you like, regardless of the rest of society, because it's somehow your imaginary right, I believe you only have that delusion and grand arrogance because you never spent years of nightly bombing raids where you live, of sleeping in underground railway stations, under the stairs or under tin roofs of garden bomb shelters, just waiting for the real decisive moment when the motor of the doodlebug above you stopped, and you knew it had only one way to go.

You have collectively had it too good on the home turf; you haven't had to face the external challenges to life in the domestic zone as others have.
Don't take America and Americans short.  We've always answered the call when the bell rang. 

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« Reply #1123 on: March 24, 2020, 12:41:28 pm »

Yes, the governor sent out a fairly large list of what is and is not essential.  It was about 4 pages long listing nearly all possible sectors and whether or not they needed to stop business.  I'll pass on calling the police since I honestly see nothing wrong with three guys doing some yard work outside.  Considering no police came either, it does not look like anyone else on my street felt otherwise. 

I'll agree with you that we have had it too good for too long when it comes to war.  But I certainly dont think the solution would be nightly bombings to teach us a lesson. 

That's funny.  I need to get a power washer to clean the exterior walls.  He would work on his own with one or two helpers and never have to come into the house.   They could wear protective gear to protect each other and  I'd pay him with a credit card on the phone.  Why should that be restrictive?

Regarding war, I don;t think we've been that lucky.  3000 were killed on 9-11 and around 5000 just in Iraq afterwards.  There've been many killed in other terrorist areas even to today. 

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« Reply #1124 on: March 24, 2020, 12:45:39 pm »

Joe, of all the scary things that Trump has ever said, this would scare the hell out of me if I was an American: “At my direction, the federal government is working to help obtain large quantities of chloroquine,” Trump said.

Now he's directing the medical effort? God help you guys!
Doctors don;t have the authority to direct anything.  It requires the President to do that.  Of course he's getting advice from doctors, economists, and all sorts of other experts.  Your hatred of Trump is getting annoying.  He's our president and is responsible for running government.  The guy has been getting stuff done all his life better than most politicians.  If we let Fauci run this thing, we'd all be in the poorhouse before it ended. 

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« Reply #1125 on: March 24, 2020, 12:49:07 pm »

Is Corona causing people to type in bold? Or is Corona causing me to see bold? ;)
I often type bold to distinguish someone else's quote in a periodical from my own comments.  Well, it's either that or I might have Corona.  :)

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« Reply #1126 on: March 24, 2020, 12:49:32 pm »

PS:  Glad to see you back.  How are you feeling?

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« Reply #1127 on: March 24, 2020, 12:50:50 pm »

I live in Austin, I'm currently busy managing crisis communications for some of my clients (one of whom is a developer/manager of over-55 communities), and I have direct ties to the TX political system.  If there are any plans, they are being held closely enough that the people that would logically need to know about them don't.

This would be par for the course for this generation of Texas politics, though.  They think this virus thing is no big deal, but these jackasses activated the National Guard to "protect" us from a conspiracy involving the US Army, Bluebell ice cream, and WalMart a few years back.

By the way, one of my best friends, 49 in otherwise good health, is on life support in Wisconsin and odds are he is going to die from this. Dan Patricks can go f*** himself.

I'm really sorry to hear about your friend.  I hope he recovers.
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« Reply #1128 on: March 24, 2020, 12:51:53 pm »

That's funny.  I need to get a power washer to clean the exterior walls.  He would work on his own with one or two helpers and never have to come into the house.   They could wear protective gear to protect each other and  I'd pay him with a credit card on the phone.  Why should that be restrictive?

Regarding war, I don;t think we've been that lucky.  3000 were killed on 9-11 and around 5000 just in Iraq afterwards.  There've been many killed in other terrorist areas even to today.

In Indiana contractors are on the approved to work list.  DOn't know about new York.
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« Reply #1129 on: March 24, 2020, 12:54:16 pm »

Idiot who licked toilets test positive…

(darwin in action)..how many did he infect?

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/kid-who-licked-toilets-now-has-the-corona/
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« Reply #1130 on: March 24, 2020, 12:57:05 pm »

Taking action to prevent more death is not giving up. I think what you are promoting is giving up.
Can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?  Sure, continue social distancing as best you can with sterilization, wearing PPE, things like that.  There has to be a midway.  AFter all, people have to eat as well.  There are two sides of a coin. You're only addressing one of them.

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« Reply #1131 on: March 24, 2020, 12:59:07 pm »

When Grandma dies of Corona virus, let the kids know what was more important to democrats than her life

http://www.floppingaces.net/2020/03/23/when-grandma-dies-of-corona-virus-let-the-kids-know-what-was-more-important-to-democrats/

The third part of the Corona (Chinese Wuhan) virus has been twice stalled today by democrats. It was reported that last night that an agreement between Republicans and Democrats was reached on the relief bill.

Instead, democrats pulled a a bait and switch with their own bill. In that bill is a democrat liberal fantasy wish list- a garbage grab bag. Among the things more important than your family dying:

Airline carbon emission footprint
Payment for up to $10,000 in student loans
Same-day voter registration, early voting, voting by mail, ballot harvesting
Collective bargaining
The expansion of wind and solar tax credits for solar panels
Requirements for federal and corporate gender and racial diversity data for corporations that accept Federal bailout money
Automatic extension of nonimmigrant visas
Restricting colleges from providing information about citizenship status
Money for Planned Parenthood
This attempt to leverage a grace health crisis is abominable. democrats are f**king idiots. When they tell you they care about you, they’re LYING. When they tell you they care about the country, they’re LYING.

This is not mindless, however. They do have something in mind and it’s this, courtesy of Rep. James Clyburn:

“This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

Screw your Grandma. Let her die. Let your kids die. Let your wife die.

After all, “You never let a serious crisis go to waste.”

democrats suck. Absolutely suck.
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« Reply #1132 on: March 24, 2020, 01:03:13 pm »

Home care is your solution. How much time will the nurse(s) and Doctor spend in transit rather than treating patients. Will each patient need their own nurse(s) by their beds rather than being able to treat multiple patients at one time. What about someone wiping your butt because you are hooked up and not able to get up...will you sit in soiled diapers until the nurse comes calling the next day.

I think you should send your leader an e-mail laying out your ideas...he needs some new ideas.
You closing off your mind to alternatives.  I'm not saying my ideas are the perfect answer.  I'm brainstorming.  It's a start.  Rather than knocking it, what could you add to improve my plan?  For example, it would be cheaper to provide nurses who change bed pans etc on a full time basis rather than sticking a patient in the hospital 24 hours a day.  That';s actually happening already.  Unless you're really sick, they won't admit you to the hospital.  So they should be setting up nurses to do this.  Are they?  Why don;t you come up with improvements to the current plan?  Make believe you're president and have to do something to save people and the economy. 

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« Reply #1133 on: March 24, 2020, 01:05:03 pm »

Is anyone suprised?

Denver mayor reverses order to close liquor stores, recreational marijuana dispensaries after crowds swarm

https://www.foxnews.com/us/denver-mayor-reverses-order-to-close-liquor-stores-recreational-marijuana-dispensaries-after-crowds-swarm
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« Reply #1134 on: March 24, 2020, 01:07:18 pm »

Indeed SARS-COV-1 even startedin the same Wuhan market.

SARS-COV-2 is about 80% similar to previous by about 80% in its genome signature. It's just more deadly, and got out of containment, unfortunately. SARS-COV-1 killed about 900 people in China at the time. It is also the reason why Asian countries were so efficient in containing this one now, they knew what to do, and more importantly, WHEN todo it. The sooner the better.

Yes, China was too slow and hid the epidemics for about a month, and it spread to the rest of the world, which does not have experience on how to tackle such things. Compound that with a bureaucratic response coming from mostly incompetent "leaders", and here we are today.
Exactly why I'm opposed to socialism and government health care.  They're morons.  Unfeeling.  They could care less.  Just vote for them. Why would anyone want the government to take care of them? 

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« Reply #1135 on: March 24, 2020, 01:13:58 pm »

Is anyone suprised?

Denver mayor reverses order to close liquor stores, recreational marijuana dispensaries after crowds swarm

https://www.foxnews.com/us/denver-mayor-reverses-order-to-close-liquor-stores-recreational-marijuana-dispensaries-after-crowds-swarm
Liquor stores were exempted by NYS Gov Cuomo on Friday.  Well, you might need vodka to make some hand sanitizer.  It's stuff like this that make people question the government and grow weary of the restrictions.  It seems that they're not being serious. 

https://ny.eater.com/2020/3/20/21188492/nyc-wine-liquor-shutdown-coronavirus-andrew-cuomo-essential-business

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« Reply #1136 on: March 24, 2020, 01:18:46 pm »

I think you’ll like this op-ed piece, Joe, even though it’s from The NY Times. It’s a a coherent idea for a re-boot of business activity that incorporates a complete quarantine period of specified length, followed by targeted business re-openings. I’m sure there are plenty of flaws in the ideas, but it seems worthy of discussion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html?referringSource=articleShare

I probably would find lots I would agree with, but I'm not a subscriber and cant read it.   :(
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« Reply #1137 on: March 24, 2020, 01:22:03 pm »

Joe, of all the scary things that Trump has ever said, this would scare the hell out of me if I was an American: “At my direction, the federal government is working to help obtain large quantities of chloroquine,” Trump said.

Now he's directing the medical effort? God help you guys!

And you know what, if Trump did not try and order large quantities of chloroquine to be manufactured and it showed promising results in the trials, he would be railed against him for not being prepared. 

"This drug showed promising results before the trials and he did not think to order any.  It's obvious Trump is not fit to lead."  LOL

And dont tell me this would not be the narrative in the press.  You guys are splitting hairs to try and get him. 

But anyway, at the end of this, I dont know how any Dem wins in November.  This tragedy destroys the open borders argument, and the record gun sales just made many who were against now 2nd amendment supporters.  Not to mention have you been watching the Joe Biden's parallel pressers; they are rife with comedy opportunities.  If only late night television had not become so left-wing.  You better be prepared for four more years. 
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« Reply #1138 on: March 24, 2020, 01:22:18 pm »

Can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?  Sure, continue social distancing as best you can with sterilization, wearing PPE, things like that.  There has to be a midway.  AFter all, people have to eat as well.  There are two sides of a coin. You're only addressing one of them.

Sure...experiment with things and don't follow what has worked elsewhere... Who is starving...other than the 2,000,000 people in Africa every year.
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« Reply #1139 on: March 24, 2020, 01:24:33 pm »

Trump could walk on water and the biased press will say he's doing that because he doesn't know how to swim.

But then it would turn out he just saw some water out the window of the plane and made the whole water walking thing up. His base still believed it.
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