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« Reply #760 on: March 20, 2020, 05:23:23 pm »

Anyone remember the Manchurian Candidate movie from the 1950's?

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« Reply #761 on: March 20, 2020, 05:24:04 pm »

Why were the only three deaths in China today?  They only had a few thousand dead to date.  What's going on?

Those stats are very suspicious. Maybe they re-categorized the stats.
But as chez points out, there will be many other indirect fatalities, caused by the overload of the hospitals. Of course, totally omitted from the official stats.
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« Reply #762 on: March 20, 2020, 05:32:16 pm »

Those stats are very suspicious. Maybe they re-categorized the stats.
But as chez points out, there will be many other indirect fatalities, caused by the overload of the hospitals. Of course, totally omitted from the official stats.
Les, you're side stepping my point.  China a country of 1.4 billion people stopped the virus after only a few thousand dead.  Did it burn out?  Or, did they have a vaccine?  Or what? Considering the whole world is shutting down outside of CHina (and apparently South Korea), aren't you curious about the details?  EVeryday, in America at least, each governor of every state is upping the ante of what's being shut down.  The press is playing this to the hilt.  Are we shooting ourselves in the foot? 

I'm not saying there's no danger.  It's just that the problem seems to be gone where it hit first with relatively minimum damage.  Why?   This is important before we destroy our economies?  If Canada lost 500,000 jobs, imagine what larger America has lost and in the rest of Europe and elsewhere.  What damage is that causing?  How many people won't have food to eat soon?  Are we missing the forest through the trees?

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« Reply #763 on: March 20, 2020, 05:34:48 pm »

This means that the Amazon Prime shipping service is far more dangerous when it comes to the Covid-19 transmission than their Standard shipping method.

Not anymore, most of the Prime takes more than 48h now anyway. Plus, if the driver is infected and coughs on your package all the math gets reset.

Outside or indoor quarantine for 48h+ it's probably a safer option.

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« Reply #764 on: March 20, 2020, 05:37:05 pm »

What about if the mailman coughs on your mail? He's got dirty fingers that open the mailbox. Hopefully most of the mail is sent by automated machines.

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« Reply #765 on: March 20, 2020, 05:38:01 pm »

Standard practice until now was to quarantine ALL deliveries outside for at least 24 hours. Thinking of extending this and debating how to handle both supermarket and cooked food deliveries. Pizza was always a no-no, now an even bigger one.

I'm debating what would be the best way to go about this without becoming a total paranoid and I don't have an answer yet.

Today my wife did buy some groceries and we washed all the fruits/veggies and gave a rinse to all the packages before bringing them inside and/or the fridge.

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« Reply #766 on: March 20, 2020, 05:41:03 pm »

Just read that there’s a report of a surge of “pneumonia” in Russia. They are not calling it COVID-19, so I guess that’s one way to do it. Russia tends to these draconian measures, just let the virus ravage the society and keep it business as usual.

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« Reply #767 on: March 20, 2020, 05:50:02 pm »

Les, you're side stepping my point.  China a country of 1.4 billion people stopped the virus after only a few thousand dead.  Did it burn out?  Or, did they have a vaccine?  Or what? Considering the whole world is shutting down outside of CHina (and apparently South Korea), aren't you curious about the details?  EVeryday, in America at least, each governor of every state is upping the ante of what's being shut down.  The press is playing this to the hilt.  Are we shooting ourselves in the foot? 

I'm not saying there's no danger.  It's just that the problem seems to be gone where it hit first with relatively minimum damage.  Why?   This is important before we destroy our economies?  If Canada lost 500,000 jobs, imagine what larger America has lost and in the rest of Europe and elsewhere.  What damage is that causing?  How many people won't have food to eat soon?  Are we missing the forest through the trees?

Alan, yes, I am curious about the details, but I don't have answers to all these questions. I hope that soon more information will surface.
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« Reply #768 on: March 20, 2020, 07:22:52 pm »

Tinfoil hats anyone? 

Just saw an interview with the good Dr Fauci who said he was not ever sure if by Easter we could get back to normal. 

That is unsustainable, and like Alan said, unless there is a drastic up tick in death toll, not something people will put up with. 

Unless I hear a realistic plan by Tuesday or Wednesday, as a libertarian, I cant see the negatived of the economy tanking being outweighed by the positives of what ever we are ad hocking. 
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« Reply #769 on: March 20, 2020, 07:26:03 pm »

I'm debating what would be the best way to go about this without becoming a total paranoid and I don't have an answer yet.

Today my wife did buy some groceries and we washed all the fruits/veggies and gave a rinse to all the packages before bringing them inside and/or the fridge.

Everything goes on a table in the laundry room just inside the garage

I’ve been wiping down the outside boxes with Clorox wipes.  Then I open and toss the box.  I wipe the boxes or packages inside with wipes, open and toss the packages.  Then I wipe down the product.  Finall I wash hands and face, clean the table and all,surfaces touched bringing the packages into the house. I remove my clothes and put them in the washer.   Then I shower.

Crazy...but I had to get prescriptions today ( had to clean the car too), got some things at the grocery ( not that there was much to buy) and got the mail and a Amazon.  Everything followed the above method.  It’s a lot of work.
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« Reply #770 on: March 20, 2020, 07:29:09 pm »

Alan, yes, I am curious about the details, but I don't have answers to all these questions. I hope that soon more information will surface.

Some reports say they locked up entire apartment buildings and let nothing, no one in or out.  Either you died or got better.  I don’t know if it’s true, but something tells me this would be frowned upon in the western world.
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« Reply #771 on: March 20, 2020, 07:31:29 pm »

Tinfoil hats anyone? 

Just saw an interview with the good Dr Fauci who said he was not ever sure if by Easter we could get back to normal. 

That is unsustainable, and like Alan said, unless there is a drastic up tick in death toll, not something people will put up with. 

Unless I hear a realistic plan by Tuesday or Wednesday, as a libertarian, I cant see the negatived of the economy taking being outweighed by the positives of what ever we are ad hocking.

I may not be up to you.  And most likely you won’t have a say.  If businesses are closed, and it is enforced you will have little choice but to comply. 
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« Reply #773 on: March 20, 2020, 09:33:46 pm »

I may not be up to you.  And most likely you won’t have a say.  If businesses are closed, and it is enforced you will have little choice but to comply.

What have we learned in a week's time?

We don't know the death rate and the range is rather large. 

No one can give an accurate prediction on how many will die.  I read today from different scientists that regardless of what we do it could be as little as 10,000 or as much as 2,500,000 in the USA, which is a pretty big range. 

China claims to have surprised it, but since they lied about so much already, can they really be trusted. 

We don't know if self-isolation will actually end it, or just delay the inevitable.  There is a very real possibility that as soon as we come out, we will just start infecting each other again. 

We don't know if a second waive will come or even if you can be infected again after already having it. 

I have not seen any realistic plan to increase ICU beds, nor have there been any reports on this happening.  So, even if we can flatten this curve best case scenario, we still are going to have one really big mess on our hands with near the same amount of loss of life. 

We have no clear end game and no one in government seems to be thinking about it.  Or if they are, they sure are not telling us. 

So what do we know?  Neither Trump nor any governor has any clue to exactly what is going to happen nor how to handle it.  I mean are you actually feeling confident in our leaders' response, especially all of the govenors'?  I know I'm not.  The economy is being totally destroyed, which will lead to an increase in suicides, drug addiction and related deaths, divorce and family break ups, evictions and foreclosures, prostitution and sex trafficking, and a complete and total depression if we continue down this path that will fundamentally change the country.  And it may be all for naught anyway. I might also add much of this people will not recover from. 

Like I said, I have no aspirations to sit back and watch the world go to hell by our own making.  Unless some serious plan comes out or the death rate skyrockets, dont expect many to keep to this. 

Insofar as what is up to me or not, I by myself certainly cant change this.  But when half of the country changes their minds, it will no longer be up to the government either. 

There is no real plan, and in very short order, no one is going to have any confidence anymore in our elected officials without one.  Then it all falls apart. 
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« Reply #774 on: March 20, 2020, 10:55:41 pm »

Interesting interview with someone who predicted a lot of this, https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist.
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« Reply #775 on: March 20, 2020, 11:04:51 pm »

Upstanding citizens at work
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/spring-break-party-coronavirus-pandemic-miami-beaches/

All those bio-hazards vectoring back to family and friends after the party, it's hard to know what to say. People do stupid things all the time, others often pay the price.

It's not as if the country's leadership provided much guidance.

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« Reply #776 on: March 21, 2020, 12:02:40 am »

I read that 2 1/2 million Americans will be applying for unemployment insurance benefits in MArch and APril just for what's happened.  If this thing isn't stopped, who knows what it could go too?    Fortunately I'm retired and so is my wife.  WHo knows though if government pensions are that protected? But for those working, how are you going to handle paying for things if this thing goes on for awhile? I also expect inflation to hit big time as the government floods the country with printed money.   
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/the-upcoming-job-losses-will-be-unlike-anything-the-us-has-ever-seen.html

It's so bad that the US Labor Department is forbidding the states to release the actual unemployment filing numbers until the Feds do to prevent more panic in the financial markets.  We're not going to see 3 1/2% unemployment numbers again for a long time.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fearing-market-impact-trump-administration-asks-states-postpone/story?id=69710991

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« Reply #777 on: March 21, 2020, 01:07:54 am »

What have we learned in a week's time?

We don't know the death rate and the range is rather large. 

No one can give an accurate prediction on how many will die.  I read today from different scientists that regardless of what we do it could be as little as 10,000 or as much as 2,500,000 in the USA, which is a pretty big range. 

China claims to have surprised it, but since they lied about so much already, can they really be trusted. 

We don't know if self-isolation will actually end it, or just delay the inevitable.  There is a very real possibility that as soon as we come out, we will just start infecting each other again. 

We don't know if a second waive will come or even if you can be infected again after already having it. 

I have not seen any realistic plan to increase ICU beds, nor have there been any reports on this happening.  So, even if we can flatten this curve best case scenario, we still are going to have one really big mess on our hands with near the same amount of loss of life. 

We have no clear end game and no one in government seems to be thinking about it.  Or if they are, they sure are not telling us. 

So what do we know?  Neither Trump nor any governor has any clue to exactly what is going to happen nor how to handle it.  I mean are you actually feeling confident in our leaders' response, especially all of the govenors'?  I know I'm not.  The economy is being totally destroyed, which will lead to an increase in suicides, drug addiction and related deaths, divorce and family break ups, evictions and foreclosures, prostitution and sex trafficking, and a complete and total depression if we continue down this path that will fundamentally change the country.  And it may be all for naught anyway. I might also add much of this people will not recover from. 

Like I said, I have no aspirations to sit back and watch the world go to hell by our own making.  Unless some serious plan comes out or the death rate skyrockets, dont expect many to keep to this. 

Insofar as what is up to me or not, I by myself certainly cant change this.  But when half of the country changes their minds, it will no longer be up to the government either. 

There is no real plan, and in very short order, no one is going to have any confidence anymore in our elected officials without one.  Then it all falls apart.

No one knows how this plays out, thats the reality.  To suggest there can a real plan that fits your needs, based on the unknown is silly.

Your aspirations really mean nothing at this point.   I think you are gonna go with the flow regardless, like it or not.   I suspect a lot more people have a desire to be part of the better good than those interested in rebellion .

But time will tell.  I have a lot of faith that good people will do what’s right even if it’s painful.  It’s not a time for selfishness.   Ymmv.
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« Reply #778 on: March 21, 2020, 04:00:42 am »

Slobodan has gone very quiet. He and I might not agree on much but I hope all is well and that he is recovering from whatever bug he has.

I fear this is going to happen more and more, contributors going quiet and the not knowing...

Thanks, Keith, appreciate the concern. I am in the 11th day of persistent dry cough, very exhausting. I try to save energy by sleeping most of the time.

My symptoms are not apparently serious enough to warrant testing. Some of my friends are not that lucky. A violinist in the band that was playing on March 7, where we got the bug, is hospitalized with pneumonia and corona positive. Some of you might remember a few pics of him I posted. A healthy guy, late 20s, early 30s, non smoker, non drinker.

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« Reply #779 on: March 21, 2020, 04:13:57 am »

Good to hear from you, Slobodan. Wishing you a soon recovery.
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