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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1780 on: July 21, 2020, 05:49:26 pm »

Meanwhile, back on topic, it is really hot here. The heat index is over 100. I'm not planning to go out for the rest of the day. I can't remember if that is because of the heat or the cornonavirus. Doesn't matter really. And now they say that polar bears will go extinct. That is not very cheerful news.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/polar-bears-could-disappear-2100-due-melting-ice-climate-change-n1234439
They'll change their diet and stop eating seals.  That will be good for seals. 

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« Reply #1781 on: July 21, 2020, 05:53:54 pm »

What he was trying to tell you, I think, was that it is not a zero-sum game. It never has been. That is at the heart of Milton Friedman's (and many others') views. Don't you believe Milton?

The environmental conversation, of which climate change is a part, will get nowhere unless we eliminate the absurd and false "environment vs economy" pseudo-debate. Without a sustainable environment there will be NO ECONOMY. The environment is the economy. Approaching this from the viewpoint that the two are in opposition is worse than pointless.

It is not true that environmental regulations harm the economy. That is stupid. Is there any point making cheaper running shoes if part of your population dies from the toxins that are used to make them gets into the water supply? The environmental industry is itself part of the "economy". The people working in those industries, the products they make, that all is part of GDP.

We have had environmental regulations of one sort or another since the 1960s or so. Has the economy collapsed in that time? Has the world ended? I may be wrong but things have been going fairly well the world over during that time.

Don't you like breathing clean air. Don't you think that clean water is important for the "economy".
Let Peter explain what he was saying.  I don't think it has to do with what you said which I wasn't addressing either. 

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« Reply #1782 on: July 21, 2020, 06:27:57 pm »

They'll change their diet and stop eating seals.  That will be good for seals.

Yeah, the bears should start eating sea weeds. However, a bigger problem would be the increased numbers of seals, which would eat more fish.
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« Reply #1783 on: July 21, 2020, 06:35:29 pm »

Yeah, the bears should start eating sea weeds. However, a bigger problem would be the increased numbers of seals, which would eat more fish.
My wife would love a seal fur coat. 

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« Reply #1784 on: July 21, 2020, 06:44:19 pm »

They'll change their diet and stop eating seals.  That will be good for seals.

Actually everything is in nice balance...polar bears have been eating seals for ever and this keeps the seal population in order. Only man thinks he knows better and tries to control nature by shooting wolves from helicopters because there are too many wolves.
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« Reply #1785 on: July 21, 2020, 06:46:14 pm »

They'll change their diet and stop eating seals.  That will be good for seals.

That's pretty glib. It sounds like you don't give a damn on way or the other.
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« Reply #1786 on: July 21, 2020, 07:04:02 pm »

That's pretty glib. It sounds like you don't give a damn on way or the other.
First off the so-called study was not based on actual count but rather some formula the scientists made up.  I'd rather accept a previous study where actual counts of polar bear were done.  In that study, only a couple of areas had some decline in population while the rest of the population zones either increased or stayed the same.  Anyone can create an algorithm to prove what you want to prove.  More hype that those pushing climate change want to use..

Here's from the study that the article refers too.  It's a terrible and lazy way to do a study unless you understand their real intent to make it seem the polar bear is declining.

Quote: " Estimating when different subpopulations will likely begin to decline has not been possible to date because data linking ice availability to demographic performance are unavailable for most subpopulations2 and unobtainable a priori for the projected but yet-to-be-observed low ice extremes3. Here, we establish the likely nature, timing and order of future demographic impacts by estimating the threshold numbers of days that polar bears can fast before cub recruitment and/or adult survival are impacted and decline rapidly. Intersecting these fasting impact thresholds with projected numbers of ice-free days, estimated from a large ensemble of an Earth system model4, reveals when demographic impacts will likely occur in different subpopulations across the Arctic." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0818-9

Second, I'm not being glib.  The idea that bears would disappear because of climate change leaves no room for Darwin.  The bear will find other sources of food.  Maybe they'll migrate back to land where they started from and feed on land prey and survive as a species.  Polar bears are smarter than these scientists.

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« Reply #1787 on: July 21, 2020, 07:08:36 pm »

Let Peter explain what he was saying.

OK, I will.  It's not a zero sum game.

Like Polar Bears and seaweed, it's a little more complicated.
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« Reply #1788 on: July 21, 2020, 08:02:00 pm »

Second, I'm not being glib.  The idea that bears would disappear because of climate change leaves no room for Darwin.
Sure it does. Under Darwin not all species adapt and survive. Some don't adapt and die out. That why they call it survival of the fittest. Why do you believe that polar bears will adapt and survive rather than not adapt and die out, particularly given the time scale involved?
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« Reply #1789 on: July 21, 2020, 08:07:50 pm »

Sure it does. Under Darwin not all species adapt and survive. Some don't adapt and die out. That why they call it survival of the fittest. Why do you believe that polar bears will adapt and survive rather than not adapt and die out, particularly given the time scale involved?
You're assuming they're dying out.  The study referred to is a farce.  The previous study showed they're doing well.

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« Reply #1790 on: July 21, 2020, 08:15:54 pm »

However, even if we assume there are changes going on that do effect a species, these have happened all the time while not killing off a species.  Changes in climate, geology, etc, have occured forever.  Species adapt.  The argument about polar bears is false by proven surveys done counting bears in the various zones around the Arctic.  This study justs makes an assumption that arises in the minds of the researchers.  They make no field observations just make assumptions that things will change.   Then they apply a fake algorithm to "prove" their assumption.  That's not science.   They admit to it right in their first paragraph.  But the media doesn;t bother to read it.  Of course, the lame media who wants to believe it repeat their findings and we go off again chasing our tails.  Soon we'll be looking again at that fake picture of the polar bear floating around on an ice flow, something they always did in the best of times.

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« Reply #1791 on: July 21, 2020, 09:24:11 pm »

You're assuming they're dying out.  The study referred to is a farce.  The previous study showed they're doing well.

The polar bear populations vary depending on the area. Churchill, Manitoba is one of the most studied geographic regions where polar bears (and tourists) congregate in ice-free periods. That group has been declining in size.

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Today, though, the sea bears’ future around Churchill looks bleak. In Churchill and the surrounding area (called the Western Hudson Bay), the bears’ population is plunging. The last two decades have been particularly harsh. “The population has declined substantially since the late nineties by 30 percent,” said Evan Richardson, a research scientist for Environment and Climate Change Canada, a government agency. What was once a population of 1,200 bears is now 800, and falling.

https://mashable.com/feature/polar-bears-churchill-population-decline/

I'm not sure if the bears could adapt to a different diet. If not, maybe we could replace them with hippos which could adapt to freezing winters by learning the art of hibernation.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1792 on: July 21, 2020, 10:51:34 pm »

Facts and rational explanations backed by the continual testing and retesting of theory based on evidence produced by the collection of data from measurement, experiment, and observation is what you get from science and its methods. This applies to all sciences be they climate, medicine, chemistry, physics, biology, etc.

Good attempt, but that's not quite true the way you've expressed it, and your statement is therefore a good example of the general misunderstanding by the 'scientifically illiterate' public, regarding the true nature of science. Such misunderstanding of the scientific process, which is continuously promoted through the media, results in the general public, and especially school children such as Greta Thunberg, becoming very alarmed about the future climate.

I'll rephrase your statement, with changes in bold, which I believe represents a more accurate description of science.

"Facts and rational explanations backed by the continual testing and retesting of theory based on evidence produced by the collection of data from measurement, experiment, and observation is what scientists strive to achieve. This applies to all sciences be they climate, medicine, chemistry, physics, biology, etc."

However, not all subjects or situations lend themselves to this rigorous process of testing and retesting under controlled conditions because of the enormous complexity and chaotic nature of the situation, and/or because of the numerous influencing factors which are either unknown or not sufficiently understood, and/or because of the long time periods involved before results can be observed.

I'll repeat the IPCC comment on the nature of climate, in case you missed it.

"The climate system is particularly challenging since it is known that components in the system are inherently chaotic; there are feedbacks that could potentially switch sign, and there are central processes that affect the system in a complicated, non-linear manner. These complex, chaotic, non-linear dynamics are an inherent aspect of the climate system.

As the IPCC WGI Second Assessment Report (IPCC, 1996) (hereafter SAR) has previously noted, “future unexpected, large and rapid climate system changes (as have occurred in the past) are, by their nature, difficult to predict. This implies that future climate changes may also involve ‘surprises’. In particular, these arise from the non-linear, chaotic nature of the climate system …"


So what do you think? Do you think 'Climate Change' lends itself to the most rigorous application of the 'methodology of science' with its requirement for continual testing and retesting under controlled conditions and the capacity to create experiments which could 'falsify' a particular hypothesis if the hypothesis were in fact not true, such as the hypothesis that human CO2 emissions are the main driver of the current global warming?

Surely you can understand there is a huge scientific problem here. How can we get political action with such uncertainty?
Here's how. It's very well explained by the lat Professor Stephen Schneider who was Professor of Environmental Biology and Global Change at Stanford University.

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but — which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts.

On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change.
To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."


One very common technique for grabbing the public's attention is to link climate change to extreme weather events. You must have noticed that, surely!  ;D

Hope I've managed to clarify the situation for you.  ;)
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1793 on: July 22, 2020, 02:18:39 am »

Hope I've managed to clarify the situation for you.  ;)

No. But it's fine with me if it makes you feel better to think that you have. Your profound mistrust of science is exceeded only by your misunderstanding of it.

As for climate science and the various fields of scientific research which are incorporated into it, like all fields of science there is much that is unknown and yet to be learned and discovered. That's what makes science so fascinating and exciting for those engaged in it. However, you would be amazed at just how much knowledge has been accumulated and the progress made in the understanding, measuring, and quantifying of anthropogenic and natural attribution of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and their effects relative to other naturaly occurring phenomenon with increasingly high degrees of accuracy and confidence, just as all of the integrated fields have advanced over time. This is all aided by the advances in so many other fields of science which have made possible a variety of new and more accurate measurement capabilities and the ability to process vast amounts of data.

But, science is a balance of accumulated knowledge and new discoveries with the yet unknown and uncertain. Science continually accepts and acknowledges uncertainty. If ones view of it is too narrowly focused on the unknown and uncertain, it's likely much of the knowledge and progress will be under appreciated.

If anyone is interested in the truth about your quote from the 1996 article. Professor Stephen H. Schneider wrote a reply to the publisher complete with footnotes. Since you have attributed a quote to him, it would be useful to have his full thoughts on the matter. It can be found here... https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199608/environmental.cfm

A portion of his response to the quote is...

Editor's note: Professor Schneider was offered space to express his views following the publication of an erroneous quote attributed to him in the March issue. The opinions expressed are the author's and not necessarily those of the APS, its elected officers or staff.

Perhaps you shouldn't believe me, at least that is what Julian Simon's characterization of my views of environmental threats would lead you to believe in APS News Back Page article (March 1996, pg. 12). Simon "quotes" me directly, as supposedly saying "Scientists should consider stretching the truth..." to get good publicity for their cause. After the March issue was in print, Simon notified the editor that this false and very damaging statement was incorrect. What he hasn't yet admitted is that even what he states to be the "correct quote" is still an out-of-context misrepresentation of my views, a distortion he persists in perpetuating even months after I personally told him of the context of the original quote.

In November, 1995, I debated Simon on Lateline, the Australian TV equivalent of the US Nightline program, on the issue of the Chronicle bet. In a segment they did not air, Simon charged that I advocate exaggerating science to enhance the appearance of environmental threats. To bolster this charge he resurrected an oft-quoted, but usually out of context partial quote, from a Discover Magazine interview in 1989 in which I decried soundbite science and journalism by pointing out that nobody gets enough time in the media either to cover all the caveats in depth, (i.e., "being honest") or to present all the plausible threats (i.e., "being effective"). During the TV debate, months before Simon's APS News article appeared, I pointed out that he was taking only part of the full quote and that part was seriously out of context - this is the same source he "quoted" in APS News.

* Dr. Stephen H. Schneider died in 2010. Anyone interested in an accurate and undistorted profile of this scientist who served as a consultant to federal agencies and to every President from Nixon to Obama can refer to the biographical memoir published by The National Academy of Sciences... http://www.nasonline.org/publications/biographical-memoirs/memoir-pdfs/schneider-stephen.pdf
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1794 on: July 22, 2020, 04:58:52 am »

However, not all subjects or situations lend themselves to this rigorous process of testing and retesting under controlled conditions because of the enormous complexity and chaotic nature of the situation, and/or because of the numerous influencing factors which are either unknown or not sufficiently understood, and/or because of the long time periods involved before results can be observed.

If you actually believe that "because of the enormous complexity" a given field of study may have, that it poses a barrier to scientific investigation, knowledge, or understanding; your attitude toward science certainly has more clarity. Do you think that medicine, physics, biology, chemistry, astronomy and other fields of science are suitable because they lack "enormous complexity" and therefore "lend themselves" to a "rigorous process of testing and retesting under controlled conditions"? Do you think that scientists have not often been faced with working to understand the "chaotic nature of the situation" at various points in time in their field of inquiry?

Is it really your desire to imply that there are fields that "because of the numerous influencing factors which are either unknown or not sufficiently understood, and/or because of the long time periods involved before results can be observed" scientists shouldn't be willing and eager to explore, investigate, and report their findings? There would be no science if that were the case! That's what science is all about! Exploring "the numerous influencing factors which are either unknown or not sufficiently understood". Inching, progressing, and occasionally leaping forward in better understanding regardless of "the long time periods involved before results can be observed". Searching to understand the "chaotic nature of the situation" when presented. This is what science does.

A scientific field of study often relies on a combination of multiple disciplines. Medicine incorporates biology, chemistry, physics, and more. Each are complex fields of their own and the human body itself is enormously complex in its functioning with "numerous influencing factors". In addition medical science for centuries has pursued the "large and rapid" "system changes" which are "by their nature, difficult to predict" in both cause and effect on the body due to diseases which were "either unknown or not sufficiently understood"; but they have investigated, built better understanding, and we are all the better for it despite the fact that much is still not fully understood. And there are many variables to contend with; a disease may effect one part of the body's system differently than another or to different degrees. It may vary considerably in effect from one person to another or have different progressions. None of these things have prevented medical science from improving and advancing over many years.

Climate science is also made up of various disciplines such as chemistry, geology, physics, and more. Sciences that are reasonably advanced and which will continue to advance. Science has always had skeptics of every field and there are always skeptics of advances within any field. Fortunately, science doesn't rely on anyones belief to advance and will continue to do so.

Well, this is as far down the rabbit hole as I feel like going with you. I'm reasonably satisfied with presenting my point of view at this point and you've added clarity to your attitude along with repetition. So reply if you wish and put a happy grin on it for embellishment, but for me the horse you're riding is dead and doesn't deserve any further beating. And if you wish to congratulate yourself on having insight superior to the worlds leading scientific experts, be my guest as it's a claim I could never make.
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« Reply #1795 on: July 22, 2020, 08:04:56 am »

Your profound mistrust of science is exceeded only by your misunderstanding of it.

You've got that the wrong way round. It's precisely because I have a profound faith in the methodology of science that I am deeply disturbed by the dishonest politicization of the science of climate change and the gullibility and scientific illiteracy of so many in the population.

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As for climate science and the various fields of scientific research which are incorporated into it, like all fields of science there is much that is unknown and yet to be learned and discovered. That's what makes science so fascinating and exciting for those engaged in it.

Absolutely! I'm fascinated with many aspects of science. When the scare about the effects of rising emissions of CO2 began to appear in the media, and climate scientists such as Michael Mann, James Hansen and James Lovelock were interviewed by the media, expressing their concerns about the disastrous consequences of climate change if we didn't reduce our CO2 emissions, I accepted such claims. Why would I not? I have a great respect for science, and I knew very little about climatology at that time.

However, as a result of my general interest in science and my great respect for the 'methodology of science', I began doing internet searches to find answers to some puzzling issues that were never raised during the media interviews of climate scientists.

I'll mention just one issue, to keep my post brief, but there are many issues which caused me to change my mind as a result of my own investigations. The first, as I recall, was the scare about ocean acidification. I already understood that CO2 dissolves in water to produce Carbonic Acid, which is a weak acid. Even natural rain contains Carbonic Acid.

But what I didn't know was the average pH of the oceans. Were the oceans neutral, or slightly acidic, or slightly alkaline? I understood quite well that the term 'acidification' meant 'becoming more acidic', and that 'less alkaline' is equivalent to 'more acidic'.

However, I was rather puzzled that prominent scientists, being interviewed to inform the public about the effects of increased CO2 on the oceans, would not even bother to mention such fundamental facts as the estimated pH of the oceans at the starting point of the increase in CO2 emissions, at the beginning of the industrial revolution, and whether the current state of the oceans was acidic, neutral, or alkaline.

After my investigations, including Google Scholar, it became very clear why such scientists never mentioned these fundamental details. To do so would have reduced the alarmism. The average pH of the ocean surfaces, just a few metres in depth, has fallen from just 8.2 to 8.1, during the past 150 years or so. A pH of 7 is neutral. Above 7 is alkaline, and below 7 is acidic.
The pH scale is logarithmic and inversely indicates the concentration of hydrogen ions in the solution. A lower pH indicates a higher concentration of hydrogen ions.

What's even more significant is that the pH of the oceans varies by more than 0.1 pH, according to the season of the year and the location of the ocean, and varies by very much more than 0.1 pH according to the depth of the ocean. Ocean waters are continually upwelling and downwelling, causing changes in pH.

Alarmists sometimes respond to such scientific facts by claiming that a reduction of alkalinity from pH 8.2 to pH 8.1 represents a 30% increase in acidity, which sounds alarming of course, and most scientifically illiterate people might assume that means we are almost 1/3rd of the way towards a neutral ocean.

However, a change from a pH of 8.2 to 8.1 is actually a 26% increase in acidity. But let's not quibble about such small differences of 26 or 30%. The main point, which reveals the deception of the alarmists, is that a change in pH from 8.2 to 7.2, which is still slightly alkaline, is represented by a 900% increase in acidity.

Refer attached image from NOAA.

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If anyone is interested in the truth about your quote from the 1996 article. Professor Stephen H. Schneider wrote a reply to the publisher complete with footnotes. Since you have attributed a quote to him, it would be useful to have his full thoughts on the matter. It can be found here... https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199608/environmental.cfm

I've read the article, and this is what Stephen Schneider said before repeating his full quote.

"During the TV debate, months before Simon's APS News article appeared, I pointed out that he was taking only part of the full quote and that part was seriously out of context - this is the same source he "quoted" in APS News. The full quote follows, where I have italicized what portions of it Simon quoted and bracketed what I did not say but he attributed to me in the APS News article:"

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but - which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need [Scientists should consider stretching the truth] to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."

This quote, above, minus the part in bold, is the exact quote that I presented in my previous post.

I don't expect you to reply because it's clear I have successfully debunked your alarmists arguments, and it must be very upsetting for you.   :(


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« Reply #1796 on: July 22, 2020, 09:49:40 am »

The argument about polar bears is false by proven surveys done counting bears in the various zones around the Arctic.

The scientists are lying to you. Do you really believe scientists were out in the snow freezing their asses off counting bears? They just made up the numbers so they could get back inside where it was warm. They skewed the results so they could make it a feel good story. Everybody loves polar bears. Except the seals of course. But the polar bears are doing something about that. They are going vegetarian. That's what I read anyway. It was on the internet so it must be true.
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« Reply #1797 on: July 22, 2020, 11:04:11 am »

The scientists are lying to you. Do you really believe scientists were out in the snow freezing their asses off counting bears? They just made up the numbers so they could get back inside where it was warm. They skewered the results so they could make it a feel good story. Everybody loves polar bears. Except the seals of course. But the polar bears are doing something about that. They are going vegetarian. That's what I read anyway. It was on the internet so it must be true.
Well, you're right. Just which scientists should we believe? Mine at least said they counted the bears.  Your's admitted they just made up an algorithm in their heads.

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« Reply #1798 on: July 22, 2020, 01:25:28 pm »

Well, you're right. Just which scientists should we believe? Mine at least said they counted the bears.

You can trust me. I counted the bears too.
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« Reply #1799 on: July 22, 2020, 02:55:34 pm »

You can trust me. I counted the bears too.
The Myth That the Polar Bear Population Is Declining
The story of a resurgent polar bear population deserves to be told and applauded.
Monday, September 9, 2019
Quote: "Data from conservation groups and the government show that the polar bear population is roughly five times what it was in the 1950s and three or four times what it was in the 1970s when polar bears became protected under international treaty.

In fact, though polar bears were placed under the protection of the Endangered Species Act in 2008 over concerns that its Arctic hunting grounds were being reduced by a warming climate, the polar bear population has been stable for the last three decades."


https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-polar-bear-population-is-declining/
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