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AlterEgo

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #220 on: April 02, 2015, 03:55:30 pm »

Free!? Free to discriminate it would seem, that's about as far as it goes.
even if it is so - I'd give it a try and let market and voters in Indiana to sort it out...
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #221 on: April 02, 2015, 03:56:23 pm »

point is that their particular inclinations do not make them somehow better than other inclinations of a similar kind
Which is not something I ever claimed or implied.

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same logic - you try to smear individual(s) by association
For example?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #222 on: April 02, 2015, 03:58:08 pm »

even if it is so - I'd give it a try and let market and voters in Indiana to sort it out...
So you are in favour of discrimination then?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #223 on: April 02, 2015, 04:01:16 pm »

One of the most annoying things about some Americans is the arrogant
eh... don't forget who really stands between you and various unsavoury brutes out there, so be grateful and mind your place in the world.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #224 on: April 02, 2015, 04:02:20 pm »

Which is not something I ever claimed or implied.
For example?
reread your posting earlier in the thread... membership in a legal organization.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #225 on: April 02, 2015, 04:02:54 pm »

So you are in favour of discrimination then?
when did you stop beating your wife ?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #226 on: April 02, 2015, 04:19:22 pm »

eh... don't forget who really stands between you and various unsavoury brutes out there, so be grateful and mind your place in the world.
As if to prove my point that some Americans are really quite up themselves and woefully misguided as to their position in the world.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #227 on: April 02, 2015, 04:31:17 pm »

As if to prove my point that some Americans are really quite up themselves and woefully misguided as to their position in the world.
Now is that discrimination :o

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #228 on: April 02, 2015, 04:35:54 pm »

when did you stop beating your wife ?
You really posted that? Bet you wouldn't if you weren't hiding anonymously behind a keyboard.


reread your posting earlier in the thread... membership in a legal organization.
Seeing as you cannot be bothered to say which post in particular, I'll have to guess.
Was that the one where I accurately stated that Nazis and KKK were responsible for killing a lot of innocent people? Not only responsible for, bit notorious for their appalling behaviour. Therefore any willing member of such organisation must condone such activities, otherwise they would not join up. So how could I smear by association when their membership of such associations does that for them?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #229 on: April 02, 2015, 04:43:23 pm »

Now is that discrimination :o
No it isn't as (a) I quite specifically said 'some American' think blah blah' as opposed to 'Americans think blah blah'. Big difference.
And (b) Discrimination is acting on something, because of who someone is, not sating something bigoted/racist.

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #230 on: April 02, 2015, 04:59:07 pm »

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... some national polls have shown that a majority of Americans may support bills similar to RFRA. A poll – conducted by the Marist Institute of Public Opinion and sponsored by the Catholic News Agency – showed that 54 percent of Americans supported faith-based exemptions from the law. About 65 percent oppose fines for wedding vendors who decline to provide services to same-sex couples for religious reasons...

A poll conducted by the Associated Press in February found that 57 percent of respondents agree that wedding-related businesses should be allowed to refuse services to same-sex couples on religious grounds.

Source here.

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #231 on: April 02, 2015, 05:03:32 pm »

Source here.
So a poll sponsored by a Christian website in a country that has a majority of people with strong religious views is in favour of bias on religious views. Not exactly surprising. I'm sure slave owners were also in favour of slavery when polled.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #232 on: April 02, 2015, 05:48:26 pm »

So a poll sponsored by a Christian website in a country that has a majority of people with strong religious views is in favour of bias on religious views. Not exactly surprising. I'm sure slave owners were also in favour of slavery when polled.

I knew you are going to latch onto that... that's why I included Associated Press as well.

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #233 on: April 02, 2015, 05:49:43 pm »

The international media response to this law (which is NOT about discrimination against gays!) is worse than the media tarring and feathering a completely innocent cop as a killer in Ferguson, Missouri.

There are lots of actual anti-gay discrimination laws in America, some of which passed in the last few years, which did not get 1/10th the media coverage of this law (which is not about discriminating against gay people).

People need to investigate things for themselves, you cannot trust the media to tell you the truth about anything controversial. Period.

It's time for an end to the witch hunts.

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #234 on: April 02, 2015, 05:56:23 pm »

I knew you are going to latch onto that... that's why I included Associated Press as well.
The AP survey won't change the religious make up of the respondents though will it?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #235 on: April 02, 2015, 05:57:02 pm »

You really posted that?
did you really ask me that original question ?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #236 on: April 02, 2015, 06:02:16 pm »

Was that the one where I accurately stated that Nazis and KKK were responsible for killing a lot of innocent people?
let me remind you = " Not wanting to work for potential murderers ", that's a slander of an innocent until proven guilty human being trying to be your customer...
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #237 on: April 02, 2015, 06:03:25 pm »

The international media response to this law (which is NOT about discrimination against gays!) is worse than the media tarring and feathering a completely innocent cop as a killer in Ferguson, Missouri.

There are lots of actual anti-gay discrimination laws in America, some of which passed in the last few years, which did not get 1/10th the media coverage of this law (which is not about discriminating against gay people).
No, it's being allowed to be a bigot against anything your region deems fit. The gay aspect has gained prominence because there is a lot of anti-gay attitudes justified by some people because 'the Bible said so'.

So how do you know that the policemen who fired 12 bullets at an unarmed suspect was completely innocent, if all the media tells lies? Did you witness it at first hand or are you relying on what was reported about the incident.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #238 on: April 02, 2015, 06:11:03 pm »

let me remind you = " Not wanting to work for potential murderers ", that's a slander of an innocent until proven guilty human being trying to be your customer...
No it's a sensible inference. In exactly the same way, I infer that members of a camera club have an interest in photography or people in a cycling club like cycling.
The KKK and Nazis hate other people so much that they have killed people for their differences. Joining such groups means you are also in favour of behaving in a similar way, otherwise why would you join?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #239 on: April 02, 2015, 06:18:33 pm »

did you really ask me that original question ?
I did ask if you were in favour of discrimantion because you said that you think the market should be allowed to decide if people want to discriminate. Therefore it was in context.
However I said nothing about beating up anyone, so your stating that I beat my wife is somewhat out of order.
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