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RAW not yet supported
« on: February 05, 2015, 06:57:16 am »

Can someone tell me if there is any chance to open a RAW not yet supported by any converter?
I probably need to change a lot of information so i need access to ALL the exif data....

Thank you!
« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 07:14:23 am by Chiotas »
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2015, 08:38:59 am »

You may try with exiftool.
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2015, 10:50:13 am »

Convert to DNG might work depending on this unnamed raw converter.
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2015, 11:32:03 am »

Did the camera come with software from, or included by, the manufacturer?  Seems unlikely that a camera with the ability to shoot raw would come with no way of actually using the raw files.

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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2015, 11:37:43 am »

@ario Exiftool is not enough unfortunately :( But this evening I'll give it a deeper look, thank you!

@digitaldog it doesn't work unfortunately :(

@kirk This is the hard part.. ;)

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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2015, 11:44:23 am »

Convert to DNG might work depending on this unnamed raw converter.

where is the logic ? OP says " not yet supported by any converter? "... to convert to DNG you need the raw to be supported by ACR/LR and so by relevant release of DNG converter (surely there are some tools not from Adobe that can do this - but then again they do not come before some raw converters start to support the camera... dcraw code for example).
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2015, 11:45:30 am »

@ario Exiftool is not enough unfortunately :( But this evening I'll give it a deeper look, thank you!

@digitaldog it doesn't work unfortunately :(

@kirk This is the hard part.. ;)


and where this raw comes from ? which camera ?
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2015, 11:49:35 am »

where is the logic ? OP says " not yet supported by any converter? "... to convert to DNG you need the raw to be supported by ACR/LR and so by relevant release of DNG converter (surely there are some tools not from Adobe that can do this - but then again they do not come before some raw converters start to support the camera... dcraw code for example).
No, it only needs DNG support. The OP didn't say what converter he was using hence my language: depending on this unnamed raw converter.
Further, it makes no sense that there is no converter that can render the raw. Where did the raw come from? As Kirk pointed out, something has to decode it, it might not be the (unnamed) converter you wish to use!
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2015, 02:19:02 pm »

If you are looking for a 3rd party converter then you are at the mercy of update cycles, etc.  If you are proficient at code and you know something about the structure of the raw file you are trying to decode, based on some precedent file type, then you can download and adapt David Coffin's dcraw C code.  This way, you can develop your own decoding routine.  Also, if whatever you are trying to decode is from an actual camera that exists, but is super new, try downloading dcraw or consult the website to see if the camera is supported.

You can try a hex dump and see if you can develop a pattern-matching or similar approach to find the EXIF in the raw, and then manipulate it that way.

If it is a Canon raw file, then see this, from the Magic Lantern forum:

http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7391.0

and this:

http://wildtramper.com/sw/tiffinfo/tiffinfo.html

If you have a NDA you will violate by providing any more information, then you are on your own.

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« Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 02:34:02 pm by kirkt »
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2015, 03:29:35 pm »

Here is the example output of the "tiffinfo" windows executable to which I linked, running on my Mac under Wine, applied to a Canon 5DII raw file:

_MG_0001.CR2: FileID=II, Ver=2A, IFD #1 w/ 17 Tags
 TagName(ID,Type,Len,Ofst)     =Value
 ImageWidth(0100,3,1,001A)     =5616
 ImageLength(0101,3,1,0026)    =3744
 BitsPerSample(0102,3,3,00E2)  =8 8 8
 Compression(0103,3,1,003E)    =6  {JpegCompression}
 Make(010F,2,6,00E8)           ="Canon"
 Model(0110,2,15,00EE)         ="Canon EOS 5D Mark II"
 StripOffsets(0111,4,1,0062)   =55628
 Orientation(0112,3,1,006E)    =1  {TopLeft, Normal}
 StripByteCounts(0117,4,1,007A)=4657209
 XResolution(011A,5,1,010E)    =72/1 (=72)
 YResolution(011B,5,1,0116)    =72/1 (=72)
 ResolutionUnit(0128,3,1,009E) =2  {InchUnits}
 DateTime(0132,2,14,011E)      ="2014:03:09 15:44:13"
 Artist(013B,2,1,00B6)         =""
 Copyright(8298,2,1,00C2)      =""
 Exif(8769,4,1,00CE)           =434
  TagName(ID,Type,Len,Ofst)              =Value
  ExposureTime(829A,5,1,032C)            =1/1000 (=0.001)
  FNumber(829D,5,1,0334)                 =4/1 (=4)
  ExposureProgram(8822,3,1,01D4)         =1
  ISOSpeedRatings(8827,3,1,01E0)         =100
  ExifVersion(9000,7,4,01EC)             =48 50 50 49
  DateTimeOriginal(9003,2,14,033C)       ="2014:03:09 15:44:13"
  DateTimeDigitized(9004,2,14,0350)      ="2014:03:09 15:44:13"
  ComponentsConfiguration(9101,7,4,0210) =1 2 3 0
  ShutterSpeedValue(9201,A,1,0364)       =655360/65536 (=10)
  ApertureValue(9202,5,1,036C)           =262144/65536 (=4)
  ExposureBiasValue(9204,A,1,0374)       =0/1 (=0)
  MeteringMode(9207,3,1,0240)            =5
  Flash(9209,3,1,024C)                   =16
  FocalLength(920A,5,1,037C)             =15/1 (=15)
  MakerNote(927C,7,A0B8,0384)            =39 0 1 0 3 0 49 0 0 0 94 5 0 0 ...
  UserComment(9286,7,108,A43C)           =0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
  SubsecTime(9290,2,3,027C)              ="04"
  SubsecTimeOriginal(9291,2,3,0288)      ="04"
  SubsecTimeDigitized(9292,2,3,0294)     ="04"
  FlashpixVersion(A000,7,4,02A0)         =48 49 48 48
  ColorSpace(A001,3,1,02AC)              =65535
  PixelXDimension(A002,3,1,02B8)         =5616
  PixelYDimension(A003,3,1,02C4)         =3744
  Interoperability(A005,4,1,02D0)        =42308
  FocalPlaneXResolution(A20E,5,1,A562)   =5616000/1459 (=3849.21)
  FocalPlaneYResolution(A20F,5,1,A56A)   =3744000/958 (=3908.14)
  FocalPlaneResolutionUnit(A210,3,1,02F4)=2  {InchUnits}
  CustomRendered(A401,3,1,0300)          =0
  ExposureMode(A402,3,1,030C)            =1
  WhiteBalance(A403,3,1,0318)            =1
  SceneCaptureType(A406,3,1,0324)        =0
 GPS(8825,4,1,00DA)            =42354
_MG_0001.CR2: FileID=II, Ver=2A, IFD #2 w/ 2 Tags
 TagName(ID,Type,Len,Ofst)           =Value
 JPEGInterchangeFmt(0201,4,1,AC7E)   =44460
 JPEGInterchangeFmtLen(0202,4,1,AC8A)=11166
_MG_0001.CR2: FileID=II, Ver=2A, IFD #3 w/ 13 Tags
 TagName(ID,Type,Len,Ofst)     =Value
 ImageWidth(0100,3,1,AC9C)     =362
 ImageLength(0101,3,1,ACA8)    =234
 BitsPerSample(0102,3,3,AD34)  =16 16 16
 Compression(0103,3,1,ACC0)    =1  {NoCompression}
 Photometric(0106,3,1,ACCC)    =2  {RGB}
 StripOffsets(0111,4,1,ACD8)   =4712840
 SamplesPerPixel(0115,3,1,ACE4)=3
 RowsPerStrip(0116,3,1,ACF0)   =234
 StripByteCounts(0117,4,1,ACFC)=508248
 PlanarConfig(011C,3,1,AD08)   =1  {ChunkyFormat}
 UndefinedTag(C5D9,4,1,AD14)   =2
 UndefinedTag(C6C5,4,1,AD20)   =3
 UndefinedTag(C6DC,4,4,AD3A)   =348 232 13 2
_MG_0001.CR2: FileID=II, Ver=2A, IFD #4 w/ 7 Tags
 TagName(ID,Type,Len,Ofst)     =Value
 Compression(0103,3,1,AD54)    =6  {JpegCompression}
 StripOffsets(0111,4,1,AD60)   =5589384
 StripByteCounts(0117,4,1,AD6C)=22390002
 UndefinedTag(C5D8,4,1,AD78)   =1
 UndefinedTag(C5E0,4,1,AD84)   =3
 Cr2Slice(C640,3,3,ADA4)       =2 1936 1920
 UndefinedTag(C6C5,4,1,AD9C)   =1


This was generated by running:

tiffinfo rawfilename.CR2 > textfileoutputname.txt

which writes the output to a text file.

kirk
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 03:09:09 am »

kThank soy SO MUCH kirkt, your info are extremely useful.
I'll work immediatley with your info and I'll let you know
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 07:34:06 am »

Is it OS X or Windows?
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 09:37:00 am »

No, it only needs DNG support.
the point was who will support that raw to DNG conversion... if ACR/LR do not support that raw itself/directly then Adobe does not offer raw to DNG conversion for example - so which DNG converter you are suggesting please ? you words = "Convert to DNG"... which tool ?
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2015, 10:26:23 am »

the point was who will support that raw to DNG conversion... if ACR/LR do not support that raw itself/directly then Adobe does not offer raw to DNG conversion for example - so which DNG converter you are suggesting please ? you words = "Convert to DNG"... which tool ?
The latest version of course. It's quite possible it supports the raw, we don't know! The OP has said squat about it. Nor the other converters he's thinking about. If you take him literally, the raw can't be opened by ANY converter so the question and all answers are kind of moot given the limited info provided. Converting to DNG fixes this kind of support issue all time unless the truth is, NO converter can open the raw, then any suggestion other than learning to hack the format will not work. Happy now?
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 10:41:35 am »

The latest version of course. It's quite possible it supports the raw

so you think that OP is wrong and latest public versions ACR/LR do indeed support the raw file in question (because otherwise neither them nor Adobe DNG converter can do a conversion - unless the trick with modifying tags will fool them)  ;D ... or you simply are so ingrained in Adobe's world that it was an automatic suggestion on your part  ::)

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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 10:43:03 am »

The OP has said squat about it. 
he said, quoting " RAW not yet supported by any converter"...
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 11:15:29 am »

The latest version of course. It's quite possible it supports the raw, we don't know!
If "no" converter supports it, ACR doesn't support it.

If ACR doesn't support it, the current version of the DNG Converter doesn't support it.
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2015, 11:19:27 am »

he said, quoting " RAW not yet supported by any converter"...

And that may be less than an accurate statement. Especially if the camera in question in Canon 5Ds.
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2015, 11:31:28 am »

Especially if the camera in question in Canon 5Ds.
Even Canon's? As Kirk points out, seems unlikely that a camera with the ability to shoot raw would come with no way of actually using the raw files.
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If "no" converter supports it, ACR doesn't support it.
"IF" indeed no converter supports it, no converter supports it. The key here is 'if' as far too little about the file in question has (or can be?) answered.
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Re: RAW not yet supported
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2015, 12:27:21 pm »

Give it a try with RawTherapee...
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