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Damon Lynch

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DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« on: October 29, 2014, 11:31:39 am »

And DxO Viewpoint has been upgraded to 2.5.

http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/photo-software/dxo-opticspro

The excellent Prime noise reduction is found only in the $200 version. Personally I've always thought the price is pretty expensive, especially given it's upgraded every 12 months. I stick with Viewpoint myself, which I'm most happy with. But I guess enough people like OpticsPro and are happy to pay that much for it for DxO to make a go of it!
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2014, 11:33:44 am »

That explains why version 8 was offered for free a few days ago!
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2014, 05:56:16 pm »

Their new policy is much better than the old $300 for pro (FF or larger), $100 for basic.
At $200 for a feature set that runs on all cameras, they may actually get some revenue from me.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2014, 05:44:58 am »

It seems that Prime is now 4 times faster and they support the D750.

I bought a license, needs to put it through its pace.

Until now, DxO 9 has been my second converter, behind C1 Pro and ahead of Iridient Developper.

Base/Low ISO is C1 Pro with some images carefully tuned in Iridient Developper (now version 3 beta), everything else tends to be DxO.

We'll see if DxO 10 can change that for D810/D750 files.

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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2014, 06:00:02 am »

Do let us know how you get on Bernard. I'm interested to hear your views on image quality.  Fine_Art I had forgotten the "elite" version used to be a far from trivial $300!

For myself I'll probably wait until they put it on sale. The noise reduction looks pretty helpful. The other features such as ClearView are less interesting to me personally because I already make heavy use of various Nik and Topaz tools, but I can definitely see the attraction of having as much as possible in one RAW convertor.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2014, 07:47:50 am »

And DxO Viewpoint has been upgraded to 2.5.

http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/photo-software/dxo-opticspro

The excellent Prime noise reduction is found only in the $200 version. Personally I've always thought the price is pretty expensive, especially given it's upgraded every 12 months. I stick with Viewpoint myself, which I'm most happy with. But I guess enough people like OpticsPro and are happy to pay that much for it for DxO to make a go of it!

Does anybody know if the Working space is still limited to Adobe RGB? I know one can output ProPhoto RGB, but that's just Adobe RGB converted to a larger gamut colorspace.

Mind you, Adobe RGB is probably good enough for web display (they're all spaces with RGB primaries), but for printed output one often needs something closer to the capabilities of the output medium (also secondary/mixed colors are possible with (CMY) inks that allow high saturation where Adobe RGB can't) to make the best of that.

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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2014, 08:05:43 am »

Good point Bart - I totally forgot about that issue. I have no idea about its internal working space. When discussing file export, on the other hand, the User's manual states this on p. 57:

ICC Profile (ELITE Edition)
The ICC profile for the output file (with the exception of DNG format) can be the same profile as the source image, the sRGB, Adobe
RGB, or a custom profile. The sRGB profile is particularly suitable for Web publication and inkjet printing, while Adobe RGB is best
adapted to retouching and publishing. In these cases, TIFF is the ideal output format. A custom profile will allow you to choose a
specific profile.


I guess someone could test it with a RAW file that exceeds the Adobe RGB gamut.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2014, 08:18:01 am »

I guess someone could test it with a RAW file that exceeds the Adobe RGB gamut.

Yes, or perhaps significantly increase saturation, and save as Adobe RGB and ProPhoto RGB, then compare them. They might be a bit different depending on how the converter encodes the data, the rendering intent, but a PPRGB should allow to encode much more saturated colors.

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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 10:27:14 am »

I haven't tried importing a TIFF into DxO.

However I just did a small experiment with a CR2 from my 5D Mark II  days, featuring a lady riding a bike wearing a heavily saturated red jacket. It was taken wide open with an 85mm f1.2 Mark II. I compared the output of DPP 3.14 vs DxO 10 vs. LR 5.6. Things I immediately noticed:

  • I think the internal processing of DxO is still Adobe RGB because when I exported a TIFF to the "original" color space (i.e. original to the source), it was Adobe RGB.
  • By default the DxO image is way more saturated in the reds. Of course one can manipulate to their heart's content but still it leaps out at you.
  • DxO didn't do a very good job of removing the purple fringing compared to DPP or LR, which can be a real issue on the EF 85mm f/1.2. But hey maybe I'm not using it as optimally as possible.
  • The DxO lens softness setting did wonders on this particular image. DxO has a profile for this lens+body combo. Too bad if it didn't, because otherwise it's output was about as soft as LR. DPP with its built in correction module is the king here, but still, I am impressed with DxO. (I am for the moment ignoring the possibility of using the very impressive Piccure+ sharpener in further post processing).



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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2014, 12:19:43 pm »

In case anyone does want to purchase the "Elite" edition of DxO 10, or Capture 1 Pro 8, B&H currently has a special with $50 off the electronic downloads of both. I have no idea about any geographic restrictions, however.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 01:20:06 pm »

While I have been a longtime fan of DxO, and still use its version 8 (which I bought years ago, but which is now free!), I have been using it less since acquisition of my (now) principal camera, the Ricoh GXR/Leica lens module, which produces RAW images in the DNG format, and which DxO unfortunately still won't accept (except for current Leica cameras).  I've had a long email exchange with DxO Customer Service about this with no solution in sight.  Very frustrating. 
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2014, 01:59:10 pm »

The excellent Prime noise reduction is found only in the $200 version.
Excellent? Really. I can make my images look just as smeary and unsharp in LR and much quicker too.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2014, 04:12:25 pm »

The continued use of AdobeRGB as the internal working space is stupid. They should have fixed this many versions ago.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2014, 04:16:39 pm »

I've been trying Dx0 out again and it seems more like a buggy pre-release early version where the UI hadn't been sorted yet.
The lack of being able to manually set white balance or see in sub folder in its 'organiser' means that right from the start it's rather useless.
Overall it's amateurish and a bit crap in my view. Very disappointing.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2014, 04:17:36 pm »

The continued use of AdobeRGB as the internal working space is stupid. They should have fixed this many versions ago.
The lack of DNG support as Jim mentions above is also mind numbingly idiotic.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2014, 07:34:56 pm »

While I have been a longtime fan of DxO, and still use its version 8 (which I bought years ago, but which is now free!), I have been using it less since acquisition of my (now) principal camera, the Ricoh GXR/Leica lens module, which produces RAW images in the DNG format, and which DxO unfortunately still won't accept (except for current Leica cameras).  I've had a long email exchange with DxO Customer Service about this with no solution in sight.  Very frustrating. 

This is puzzling.  I have a Pentax K-01 whose raw files are DNG, and DxO 9 is capable of opening them.  However, it cannot open Adobe DNG, so obviously, there is a difference between Pentax and Adobe DNG.  Ricoh GXR must utilize either an unsupported proprietary DNG or Adobe DNG.  I do agree that it is stupid and shortsighted for DxO not to support the Adobe format.

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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2014, 08:31:30 pm »

Excellent? Really. I can make my images look just as smeary and unsharp in LR and much quicker too.

If that's what you think it shows that you haven't spent enough time with DxO because that simply isn't the case.

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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2014, 10:36:21 pm »

The lack of DNG support as Jim mentions above is also mind numbingly idiotic.
Why? This is a very debatable subject lots of Pro's and Con's. Matter of opinion.
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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2014, 10:39:41 pm »

Re: DNG support.  I can open a 5DIII raw image in ACR, and save it as DNG (compatible with 7.1, the most recent version available as a choice in ACR for CC).  I can open this DNG in DxO 10.  This also works using DNG Converter, as one would expect.  If you produce a linear [demosaiced] DNG (v 1.4, for example, in the ACR/DNG Converter) DxO cannot open it.

The DNGs produced by the Magic Lantern dual ISO utility cr2hdr are also compatible with DxO 10.

I also shoot with a Ricoh GR, a camera that produces raw files natively as DNGs.  I can open these in DxO 10, as well as DxO 9 (I did not own the camera when I was using DxO 8 or earlier).  The GR is a fixed focal length lens with no AA filter, and it has its own DxO correction module.

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Re: DxO OpticsPro 10 is here
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2014, 11:53:38 pm »

I also shoot with a Ricoh GR, a camera that produces raw files natively as DNGs.  I can open these in DxO 10, as well as DxO 9 (I did not own the camera when I was using DxO 8 or earlier).  The GR is a fixed focal length lens with no AA filter, and it has its own DxO correction module.

So I guess our friend JJJ will be more than happy to withdraw his mind numbingly idiotic comment? ;)

Cheers,
Bernard
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