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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 11:20:39 am »

Looking forward to hearing more from Michael on this issue. The reason I personally have not pulled the trigger on the purchase of a K-5 (or D7000) is that I have yet to see a sample image taken with the 16MP/anti-aliase filter arrangement in the otherwise impressive k5 that doesn't result in ultra-smooth plasticky looking skintones. It's not skin color reproduction that's putting me off. It's lack of recorded natural texture in the skin which I suspect is caused by the anti-aliasing filter on all those tiny 16M photodiodes in the k5 and D7000 bodies. Samples I've seen from the lower pixel count X100 seem to handle skin texture in a far more pleasing way. I hope MR isn't going to tell us bad things about moire on the X100, but if so, it may just be the trade-off I will have to accept in order to record more natural skin textures out of these APS-C type cameras.

you can get rid of AA filter completely @ http://www.maxmax.com
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 02:49:10 pm »



Thank heavens for Michael - a brilliant artist and reviewer who knows what photographers want in a camera and can cut to the essentials like a hot knife through butter.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2011, 04:04:16 pm »

I have been using the X100 for a week and, of course, I concur with Michael on pretty much everything. The back control are very fiddly indeed, but I do find them usable (no gloves!); what I would really like is not to have to use them at all. The camera is quick if you read the figures, but the truth is that it will never switch on exactly in the mode you are expecting and it will always take quite a while before you can take a shot. The camera needs an "easy" mode that saves on the myriad of options and makes it ready to shoot immediately. As with the rest, it is a firmware issue so might be improved upon. There are lots of bugs and inconsistencies that need to be addressed anyway. My pet one is the flash which can be set to forced, off or slow sync, but not back to automatic. Also, you are not supposed to have red eye reduction when using RAW but the contrary happens and you get a pre-flash all the time when shooting RAW. The only way to alleviate it was to shoot RAW + JPEG; really weird. Considering the contradictory comments, there might even be several firmwares around, each with their own flaws. The camera is definitely not a do-all device but rather a constraining tool that makes you more creative by limiting you. It is not perfect, but it is one of the very few devices I have felt emotionally attached to in the last few years. I don't mind banging my 1Dses around but I am very protective of my little X100...
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2011, 01:32:01 pm »

I agree that Michael's in-hands comments were very illuminating, as they usually are.  (In my observations over the years he tends to find many of the same peevers that raise rashes on me, too.)

Honestly, I was not (and am not) planning to buy this camera, despite its retro-cuteness.  I'm basically camera-ed-up.  But it was very refreshing to see in-hand impressions of the the camera that featured real blemishes.  For months we've only seen hands-off "reviews" by droolers.

Still, it's clear that Fuji is on hot tracks that will only get hotter in the next few years.  The X100 is version 1.0, usually a bad idea to grab.   Wait for the X110.

Thanks very much for your X100 commentary Michael.

BTW, your photography from Mexico this winter has been simply wonderful.  Much more emotionally connected and maturely composed.  Really, I wouldn't write it if I didn't mean it.  It's been such a step up that I can't avoid wondering if the new environs have ushered a new chapter into your visual life.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2011, 05:25:49 pm »

Thanks a lot for the review. Let's hope that an improved version of the firmware will be released by Fuji soon.

Could the handling of the camera get improved if the RAW button can be configured to be a "My Menu" / global OK button (working as confirmation button not only for the settings in "My Menu" but also for every setting activated by all the other buttons : WB button, flash button, AE button, Menu / OK button, ...) ?
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2011, 04:52:09 pm »

Michael,

Thank you for your final installment on the X100. I'm hoping that you have a good channel to get your thoughts on firmware fixes to the right people at Fuji. I know the Canadian marketing folks "The Fuji Guys" were making a list and it seems most of what can be found on line starts to sound like many are honing in on the same set of issues (which hopefully are treated as bugs and not "nice to haves").

Now we just need to see what is going on with Fuji North America that supposedly (based on a couple of Fuji Guys tweets) got cameras at the same time as Canada but nothing has surfaced here just yet.

Terry
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2011, 01:49:03 am »

Is the X100 the first CMOS camera without an AA filter??

The M9 and MF cameras all have CCDs

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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2011, 07:49:26 am »

I can tell you that the folks at Fujifilm, both in North America and Japan, are well aware of my review, and also the concerns being expressed on the net elsewhere about the X100's design flaws.

Whether they do anything about it in a timely manner is another question.

Michael
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2011, 09:41:05 am »

I can tell you that the folks at Fujifilm, both in North America and Japan, are well aware of my review, and also the concerns being expressed on the net elsewhere about the X100's design flaws.

Whether they do anything about it in a timely manner is another question.

Apart from the change to Canon's 5D Mark 2 to provide more manual control of video shooting, has any camera manufacturer shipped a comprehensive firmware update?
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2011, 11:08:27 am »

After the D3s came out, Nikon produced a D3 firmware upgrade that added several significant features to the older camera...

Apart from the change to Canon's 5D Mark 2 to provide more manual control of video shooting, has any camera manufacturer shipped a comprehensive firmware update?
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2011, 11:15:33 am »

Gordon's comments in Michael's follow-up piece are a major disappointment and have turned me, at any rate, off getting the damned thing (not that they can be had at the moment where I live). My situation (retired and health issues after forty years in newspaper journalism mostly as editor) is crying out for a camera like the Fuji - but without the massive stress test that seems to come with it. I've had enough of those, thank you, and maybe more to come.

I had thought the silver bullet camera had arrived, enabling people like me to set aside the weight and bulk of, in my case, a Canon system including L glass. Very heavy and wearing on this creaking body. And before anybody says the word Leica, please consider that where I live, I couldn't afford to pay for the brand name, never mind for a camera from that sable.

Although I've been around photography all my professional life, I don't nor did I make a living from it. Print journalism was my kick, but I enjoy taking pictures and have managed to throw up a fair few successful exhibitions and the like in my time. That's just background.

I thought the dream camera for people like me had arrived with the Fuji but from your own reviews and others on the web, there seems to be an inordinate and unnecessary amount of nightmarish hassle involved in simply operating the thing. If that is the case, then for me it's an absolute deal-breaker. Unless, Michael, you could say it's not as bad as Gorden suggests in your second review!!

Incidentally, your continuing reviews of all things photographic are an immense service to the photog community. I sincerely hope the folks at Fuji are taking on board what you have suggested and will respond, but given the unfortunate situation in Japan, perhaps a speedy response is a bit too much to ask for right now.



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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2011, 11:36:17 am »

Gorden has posted essentially the same comments on another forum, where he has added additional comments:

"Anyway, I am falling back in love with this camera. Sort of like a beautiful woman, no-body is perfect, you learn to embrace the quirks. "

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=38182923

He's found ways to adapt to some of his problems with the camera.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2011, 01:17:34 pm »

I had thought the silver bullet camera had arrived, enabling people like me to set aside the weight and bulk of, in my case, a Canon system including L glass. Very heavy and wearing on this creaking body. And before anybody says the word Leica, please consider that where I live, I couldn't afford to pay for the brand name, never mind for a camera from that stable.

FWIW, Michael & I, on a walk-about in San Antonio TX, did some unscientific side-by-side tests of the IQ of the X-100 and the Panny GH2 with the Panny 20mm lens. Other than some marked difference in exposure measurement (Panny consistently about 2/3 stop under), the IQ was quite comparable - in fact two seasoned pixel-peepers couldn't see much difference at all at regular ISOs. So, while slightly fatter in the body, the walk-around-ability of the GH2 w/ 20mm was very much the same as the X-100. The major advantage of the X-100 is its quite incredibly clean high ISO IQ - the advantage of the GH2 obviously is lens interchangeability.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2011, 02:07:58 pm »


Thanks very much for that, Chris. I'll take what you say on board, but I have to admit to being a bit obsessed by the X100 and I don't think I'm a victim of the hype. I'm slightly encouraged by various posts on the web by users who, after a longer time using the camera, are beginning to come to grips with its eccentricities and are really falling for its charms. For me, the ability to use available light with very clean high ISO is a big plus. I could put up with a lot to get that.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2011, 04:10:18 pm »

The NEX-5 also has a very weak/non-existant AA filter.  Many photographers, including myself, get examples of moire all of the time when using sharp lenses, like Zeiss ZM.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2011, 04:39:56 pm »


I had thought the silver bullet camera had arrived, enabling people like me to set aside the weight and bulk of, in my case, a Canon system including L glass.

Well, no offense, but the Fuji is hardly a replacement for an entire bag of Canon cameras and L lenses. A better comparison would be with a 5D and a 35mm f/2, which is a relatively light combination capable of very nice photos. The Fuji X100 should easily replace that combo at lower cost, size, and weight. For some photographers it may indeed be the only camera needed, but I expect that most working photographers would use it for walk-around use; they would still need the Big Bag O' Canons.

That's how I use my GF-1 with the 20mm lens, which is a nice combo for an everyday carry camera, and a travel camera. Makes great photos. Takes lots of different lenses should you need them.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2011, 05:05:31 pm »

Well, no offense, but the Fuji is hardly a replacement for an entire bag of Canon cameras and L lenses.

Well no of course not. And yet...

in the four weeks I've had the X100 I've only once felt the need to take the Canon with me because I needed a telephoto option. I used to pretty much use my 5D2 + 50mm f1.4 for almost everything, and the Fuji is essentially filling that gap with no problems at all.
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2011, 05:15:42 pm »

Well, no offence taken but I'm not an idiot. If I gave the impression that the Fuji could take the place of a whole Canon system, then it must be down to bad phrasing on my part.

I have a 5D plus a range of L zooms from ultra wide up to 200mm. I had already been thinking about getting a fast prime, maybe a 24 or 28 for general use with the 5D. They're all heavy. The only prime I have is an 85mm 1.8, a focal length which I don't find all that useful in the street. Then the Fuji came along and, well, distracted me.

I am not a 'working photographer' in the sense that I need a Big Bag O'Canons on a daily basis. My main objective is to reduce equipment weight, but not at a cost of image quality. Perhaps I should stick with the Canon body and take your advice re a prime. Thanks anyway for your input. You may have put me back on my original track.
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2011, 05:19:44 pm »



I hadn't read Craig's comment before posting my own so all I can say is ..... well, there you go!
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Re: The Fuji
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2011, 07:56:34 pm »

Perhaps I should stick with the Canon body and take your advice re a prime. Thanks anyway for your input. You may have put me back on my original track.


You could considre a zeiss or voigtlander prime for your 5D, as a manual focus alternative to the canon primes. There again, I really liked the canon 50/1.4
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