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Title: The Fuji
Post by: fredjeang on April 04, 2011, 06:12:33 am
Thanks for the review.

I'd like to know if the 12MP sensor is the famous (and excellent) Sony sensor that equiped several brands recently (Nikon, Pentax, Sony...).

I was thinking of why not upgrading my old DP1 that I use as a note-book and for candid. One thing that I really beleive to be untolerable in 2011 is that manufacturers
just ignore the sensor cleaning because of the fixed glass, so in-theory dust will not be an issue.  In fact it is. I had 2 models of similar cameras and twice
I ended to have dust on the sensor after more or less a year of manipulation. Very anoying although easy to remove in pp. It seems that this camera does not have either this feature.
It's not rocket science today.

I don't understand why manual focusing is treated so badly in general. With the electronic, why not automatically display a center magnified area or at least a decent MF system like in the old days? Mystery.

About Silkipix, yes it's far from being my favorite but I think it does the job until the camera would be recognized. In that sense, why not DNG like Pentax does? Mystery.

About the video mode, if the camera does not allow manual settings, it means this: if you locked the AF-AE button for AF, wich I also do for stills, you loose then the AE function for video wich is the only way to lock your exposure when a full video manual is not possible. I know, I know...again, instead of multifunctions buttons, I'd like the manufacturers to do a little less gym and english training and put their team A engineers doing extensive photo workshops before they put them at work on ergonomics and menus. Less cosmetic and features that nobody use; one button=one function seems to be an alien lenguage in the designers today's boards and it's sad.

Anyway, a valid upgrade from a DP1 ?

Ps: MR asked a "please no debate about the Foveon", but I'd like to precise something from my DP1 experience: the Foveon lacks obviously resolution, but it's not that bad either. The 15 MP claimed by the company are indeed not to take seriously. In fact it's rather like a 10MP bayer. In print though, the Foveon is much better than numbers tell. (I beleive it's not because of the Foveon "magic properties" but the stellar optic) I have to stress, to be fair with Sigma, that some of the major issues have been improved a lot in the latest software update. Specially the color casts in low-light and artificial light and the higher isos overall issues. So the old DP1 is not of course in the same league as this new Fuji and rather limited and frustrating today, but I can't see a better option in 300-400 euros price. (the first version costs nothing today), so if one's budget is very limited and need high quality, the DP1 is still a tool. (note: due to its slowness, the DP1 is not really-or really not- a competent street camera)
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: marcvezina on April 04, 2011, 09:00:33 am
Michael,

Nice review on the X100 - not a word to add - not a single word... A great camera with a somehow frustrating interface

Cheers
Title: Laughed out loud, and hard
Post by: ednazarko on April 04, 2011, 10:00:43 am
When I got to the comment about cameras with only rear LCD viewing - "like holding a baby with a smelly diaper" - I inserted coffee into my laptop keyboard at high velocity, laughing.  I share the same bias, and now I have a name for it, and an image that will be in my head every time I have to deal with rear LCD shooting.  I find them particularly annoying because my close up vision requires glasses to see focus clearly, and my distance vision does not.  This may be true for a large number of people who are past their mid-life crises.  I have very, very high hopes for this camera for that very reason.  I'm unlikely to plop down the $$ for an M9, because then I'd probably shoot 95% with one lens, making about $7000 of the investment be for naught.  I shot a lot of my favorite street work with one or another of a small arsenal of fixed lens film rangefinders from Konica, Canon, and Olympus.

The UI comments do give me significant pause, though.  I've owned a lot of vintage cameras of various sorts, and know from that that the UI for a DSLR, and for film SLRs before, is the result of decades of off-the-mark experiments that converged on what we have today. Even the parts of digital cameras that were not worked out through decades of film camera experimentation, like menu systems and organization of same, are showing convergence.  There are also a huge number of non-photography examples that UI designers could learn from - I've heard about a battlefield rocket system, for example, that required the user to work through 11 different screens to be able to launch a rocket... not a good design for something meant to be used in a hurry, under fire.  When good UI designers were brought in, they got all the launch related things onto one screen, with the least important info at the end of the screen.

Bad UI has caused me to sell quite a few digital cameras within weeks of buying, and now I'm pretty cautious when I see someone who's probably handled hundreds of cameras react so much to how hard useful functions are to access.  I need a friend to buy one so I can borrow it for a couple of weeks...
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: MarkL on April 04, 2011, 03:41:39 pm
3 secs turn on/wake from sleep and this is meant to be a street/docu camera? This is a deal breaker for me - I guess fuji haven't heard of the decisive moment! For my street work I barely have time to frame sometimes let alone wait for it's to cough into life.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: yslee on April 04, 2011, 04:11:36 pm
The rear operates just like a digital camera. I wrote about that in my own hands on. On that note, that rear wheel really drove me nuts. Who thought using a click-less free-spnning wheel was a good idea?

What I would have liked to see, among other things, is a proper dedicated ISO dial. That would free up the custom function button to do something else, while making the camera far better to use.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: David Mantripp on April 04, 2011, 04:17:00 pm
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3 secs turn on/wake from sleep and this is meant to be a street/docu camera? This is a deal breaker for me - I guess fuji haven't heard of the decisive moment! For my street work I barely have time to frame sometimes let alone wait for it's to cough into life.

surely you can just leave it switched on ?
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: David Sampson on April 04, 2011, 05:43:07 pm
Thanks for the review. I already have the camera and agree with all you say. I hope that you have sent your thoughts on the firmware updates to them. Here in the UK they have a dedicated email address for the X100
X100@fuji.co.uk

Yes start up is slow but you can leave in on continuously if you wish but you would need to always carry a couple of spares. It makes the M9 batteries seem long lasting!!
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: deejjjaaaa on April 04, 2011, 06:27:36 pm
Anyway, a valid upgrade from a DP1 ?

why the reviewer mentioned DP1 w/ 16.6/4 lens and not DP2 w/ 24.2/2.8 lens ?
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: deejjjaaaa on April 04, 2011, 06:33:33 pm
I'd like to know if the 12MP sensor is the famous (and excellent) Sony sensor that equiped several brands recently (Nikon, Pentax, Sony...).
also it is not clear why the reviewer found any virtue in using that 12mp sensor and not Sony 16mp of D7000/K5 fame (except the may be a a higher price and that Fuji did not have time to design using it).
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: michael on April 04, 2011, 08:32:56 pm
The issue is also the weak to non-existent AA filter on the X100.

More on this in a few days in my update.

Michael
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: John Camp on April 04, 2011, 10:05:06 pm
I was somewhat surprised that Michael referred to the X1, DP1 and M9 as major competitors, as I would have considered the Panasonic GF-1 with clip-on viewfinder and 20mm [~40mm equiv.) as a much closer *practical* competitor, not only to the Fuji, but to all the others, as well. In my mind, all of these smaller, less expensive large-sensor cameras (not counting the M9) would have to be put up against the GF-1, by a careful shopper, to ask "Why this one, and not the GF-1?" That's because the GF-1 would seem to me to have a number of advantages -- its interchangeable lenses, the fact that it's a part of a system for which there are other bodies available, and so on. It seems to me that the main reason to choose a Fuji, or one of the others, is more a matter of *taste,* than of practical advantage, akin to the reasons people choose an M9, with all of its disadvantages, over, say, a Nikon D7000 or Pentax K5. I know that the X100 and the M9 can make exceptional photos, but so can the others -- and the others have long lists of advantages, while the M9, X100, X1, DP1 seem to me to have very few...except that some people have a *taste* for this kind of camera. But in terms of build quality, software quality, sensor quality, lens quality (again, excepting the M9) there's really not much there.

JC
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Steve Weldon on April 04, 2011, 11:42:20 pm
Being one of the buyers who depends on the US market which has only released a very small handful (B&H 3 for instance), and with my local Thailand always behind the curve on new releases,  I'm still waiting for mine.

During the wait I've been reading reviews.. and without exception they were of marginal value because they were written by equipment junkies. 

Until now.   It was really nice to read a review from a photographer.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: marcvezina on April 05, 2011, 12:01:15 am
3 secs turn on/wake from sleep and this is meant to be a street/docu camera? This is a deal breaker for me - I guess fuji haven't heard of the decisive moment! For my street work I barely have time to frame sometimes let alone wait for it's to cough into life.

With OFV Power Save Mode 'OFF' and Quick Start Mode 'ON', turn on/wake from sleep is very fast. Downside is battery life
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: stever on April 05, 2011, 12:34:04 am
12mp is an excellent choice based on what's optically and mechanically practical for APSC.  my experience with Canon is that i'd rather have 10 or 12mpx and better high ISO performance than theoretically higher resolution than can be achieved with available lenses.

is it a cultural problem that Japanese camera manufacturers don't employ engineers that are also photographers or even consult with photographers during design - or listen to photographer customers?  it's not like the ergonomic problems Michael has highlighted aren't obvious or been solved by other manufacturers.  the auto ISO is so stupid it's hard to believe
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: dreed on April 05, 2011, 01:31:46 am
Having read through the review, it sounds like a great camera that's just hard to use because of the software.

If the successor can fix the usability problems with the software, my name is on one already. Or if they update the software (which I'm not sure that I can see them doing.)
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Craig Arnold on April 05, 2011, 03:17:59 am
The UK got an early shipment, and I got mine about 4 weeks ago. Michael's review is spot-on as usual.

Despite it's quirks I absolutely love mine. It's permanently with me and I would be completely traumatised if I were to break or lose it, and I cannot say that about any other camera I have ever owned.

I have been documenting my adventures with a few pics in my blog. No pixel peeping or full-res samples, just what it's like to use and working through how to get the best from it.

http://peri.org.uk/wp/?tag=blog

Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: DaveCurtis on April 05, 2011, 04:23:03 am
The UK got an early shipment, and I got mine about 4 weeks ago. Michael's review is spot-on as usual.

Despite it's quirks I absolutely love mine. It's permanently with me and I would be completely traumatised if I were to break or lose it, and I cannot say that about any other camera I have ever owned.

I have been documenting my adventures with a few pics in my blog. No pixel peeping or full-res samples, just what it's like to use and working through how to get the best from it.

http://peri.org.uk/wp/?tag=blog




Interesting blog Craig. It looks like a great camera.

I have thought about buying the Fuji but I'm not sure if I could live with 35mm alone. Perhaps if Fuji could produce the camera with a "tri-elmar" 28-35-50mm style lens I would be in boots and all.

Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: MHMG on April 05, 2011, 06:54:13 am
The issue is also the weak to non-existent AA filter on the X100.

More on this in a few days in my update.

Michael


Looking forward to hearing more from Michael on this issue. The reason I personally have not pulled the trigger on the purchase of a K-5 (or D7000) is that I have yet to see a sample image taken with the 16MP/anti-aliase filter arrangement in the otherwise impressive k5 that doesn't result in ultra-smooth plasticky looking skintones. It's not skin color reproduction that's putting me off. It's lack of recorded natural texture in the skin which I suspect is caused by the anti-aliasing filter on all those tiny 16M photodiodes in the k5 and D7000 bodies. Samples I've seen from the lower pixel count X100 seem to handle skin texture in a far more pleasing way. I hope MR isn't going to tell us bad things about moire on the X100, but if so, it may just be the trade-off I will have to accept in order to record more natural skin textures out of these APS-C type cameras.

cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Adam L on April 05, 2011, 07:40:52 am
I like your reviews better than all others on the web.   

I am curious about your Zig-Zag Road and Wrapper picture.  Why did you include the wrapper in the picture?  It makes me want to smoke something  ;)     As I look closely (okay as I stare) the window starts to take on a strange appearance, almost as if it were painted on the wall instead of being a real window.   Your pictures sure do get me thinking.    I'm also guessing that this area is prone to some flooding? 

It's almost like you are doing street landscape photography.   Is it fair to say your style is undergoing a change this past year?
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: deejjjaaaa on April 05, 2011, 11:11:43 am
12mp is an excellent choice based on what's optically and mechanically practical for APSC.  my experience with Canon is that i'd rather have 10 or 12mpx and better high ISO performance than theoretically higher resolution than can be achieved with available lenses.

again - it is just because Canon is behind Sony at this moment w/ APS-C sensors... ask Nikon or Pentax users if Sony 16mp is worse that their prev. generation 12mp.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: deejjjaaaa on April 05, 2011, 11:20:39 am
Looking forward to hearing more from Michael on this issue. The reason I personally have not pulled the trigger on the purchase of a K-5 (or D7000) is that I have yet to see a sample image taken with the 16MP/anti-aliase filter arrangement in the otherwise impressive k5 that doesn't result in ultra-smooth plasticky looking skintones. It's not skin color reproduction that's putting me off. It's lack of recorded natural texture in the skin which I suspect is caused by the anti-aliasing filter on all those tiny 16M photodiodes in the k5 and D7000 bodies. Samples I've seen from the lower pixel count X100 seem to handle skin texture in a far more pleasing way. I hope MR isn't going to tell us bad things about moire on the X100, but if so, it may just be the trade-off I will have to accept in order to record more natural skin textures out of these APS-C type cameras.

you can get rid of AA filter completely @ http://www.maxmax.com
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 05, 2011, 02:49:10 pm


Thank heavens for Michael - a brilliant artist and reviewer who knows what photographers want in a camera and can cut to the essentials like a hot knife through butter.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: gguida on April 07, 2011, 04:04:16 pm
I have been using the X100 for a week and, of course, I concur with Michael on pretty much everything. The back control are very fiddly indeed, but I do find them usable (no gloves!); what I would really like is not to have to use them at all. The camera is quick if you read the figures, but the truth is that it will never switch on exactly in the mode you are expecting and it will always take quite a while before you can take a shot. The camera needs an "easy" mode that saves on the myriad of options and makes it ready to shoot immediately. As with the rest, it is a firmware issue so might be improved upon. There are lots of bugs and inconsistencies that need to be addressed anyway. My pet one is the flash which can be set to forced, off or slow sync, but not back to automatic. Also, you are not supposed to have red eye reduction when using RAW but the contrary happens and you get a pre-flash all the time when shooting RAW. The only way to alleviate it was to shoot RAW + JPEG; really weird. Considering the contradictory comments, there might even be several firmwares around, each with their own flaws. The camera is definitely not a do-all device but rather a constraining tool that makes you more creative by limiting you. It is not perfect, but it is one of the very few devices I have felt emotionally attached to in the last few years. I don't mind banging my 1Dses around but I am very protective of my little X100...
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Ken Tanaka on April 09, 2011, 01:32:01 pm
I agree that Michael's in-hands comments were very illuminating, as they usually are.  (In my observations over the years he tends to find many of the same peevers that raise rashes on me, too.)

Honestly, I was not (and am not) planning to buy this camera, despite its retro-cuteness.  I'm basically camera-ed-up.  But it was very refreshing to see in-hand impressions of the the camera that featured real blemishes.  For months we've only seen hands-off "reviews" by droolers.

Still, it's clear that Fuji is on hot tracks that will only get hotter in the next few years.  The X100 is version 1.0, usually a bad idea to grab.   Wait for the X110.

Thanks very much for your X100 commentary Michael.

BTW, your photography from Mexico this winter has been simply wonderful.  Much more emotionally connected and maturely composed.  Really, I wouldn't write it if I didn't mean it.  It's been such a step up that I can't avoid wondering if the new environs have ushered a new chapter into your visual life.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: spg on April 09, 2011, 05:25:49 pm
Thanks a lot for the review. Let's hope that an improved version of the firmware will be released by Fuji soon.

Could the handling of the camera get improved if the RAW button can be configured to be a "My Menu" / global OK button (working as confirmation button not only for the settings in "My Menu" but also for every setting activated by all the other buttons : WB button, flash button, AE button, Menu / OK button, ...) ?
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: TEBnewyork on April 10, 2011, 04:52:09 pm
Michael,

Thank you for your final installment on the X100. I'm hoping that you have a good channel to get your thoughts on firmware fixes to the right people at Fuji. I know the Canadian marketing folks "The Fuji Guys" were making a list and it seems most of what can be found on line starts to sound like many are honing in on the same set of issues (which hopefully are treated as bugs and not "nice to haves").

Now we just need to see what is going on with Fuji North America that supposedly (based on a couple of Fuji Guys tweets) got cameras at the same time as Canada but nothing has surfaced here just yet.

Terry
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: DaveCurtis on April 11, 2011, 01:49:03 am
Is the X100 the first CMOS camera without an AA filter??

The M9 and MF cameras all have CCDs

Dave
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: michael on April 11, 2011, 07:49:26 am
I can tell you that the folks at Fujifilm, both in North America and Japan, are well aware of my review, and also the concerns being expressed on the net elsewhere about the X100's design flaws.

Whether they do anything about it in a timely manner is another question.

Michael
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: dreed on April 11, 2011, 09:41:05 am
I can tell you that the folks at Fujifilm, both in North America and Japan, are well aware of my review, and also the concerns being expressed on the net elsewhere about the X100's design flaws.

Whether they do anything about it in a timely manner is another question.

Apart from the change to Canon's 5D Mark 2 to provide more manual control of video shooting, has any camera manufacturer shipped a comprehensive firmware update?
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Hemingway on April 11, 2011, 11:08:27 am
After the D3s came out, Nikon produced a D3 firmware upgrade that added several significant features to the older camera...

Apart from the change to Canon's 5D Mark 2 to provide more manual control of video shooting, has any camera manufacturer shipped a comprehensive firmware update?
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 11, 2011, 11:15:33 am
Gordon's comments in Michael's follow-up piece are a major disappointment and have turned me, at any rate, off getting the damned thing (not that they can be had at the moment where I live). My situation (retired and health issues after forty years in newspaper journalism mostly as editor) is crying out for a camera like the Fuji - but without the massive stress test that seems to come with it. I've had enough of those, thank you, and maybe more to come.

I had thought the silver bullet camera had arrived, enabling people like me to set aside the weight and bulk of, in my case, a Canon system including L glass. Very heavy and wearing on this creaking body. And before anybody says the word Leica, please consider that where I live, I couldn't afford to pay for the brand name, never mind for a camera from that sable.

Although I've been around photography all my professional life, I don't nor did I make a living from it. Print journalism was my kick, but I enjoy taking pictures and have managed to throw up a fair few successful exhibitions and the like in my time. That's just background.

I thought the dream camera for people like me had arrived with the Fuji but from your own reviews and others on the web, there seems to be an inordinate and unnecessary amount of nightmarish hassle involved in simply operating the thing. If that is the case, then for me it's an absolute deal-breaker. Unless, Michael, you could say it's not as bad as Gorden suggests in your second review!!

Incidentally, your continuing reviews of all things photographic are an immense service to the photog community. I sincerely hope the folks at Fuji are taking on board what you have suggested and will respond, but given the unfortunate situation in Japan, perhaps a speedy response is a bit too much to ask for right now.



Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Hemingway on April 11, 2011, 11:36:17 am
Gorden has posted essentially the same comments on another forum, where he has added additional comments:

"Anyway, I am falling back in love with this camera. Sort of like a beautiful woman, no-body is perfect, you learn to embrace the quirks. "

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=38182923

He's found ways to adapt to some of his problems with the camera.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Christopher Sanderson on April 11, 2011, 01:17:34 pm
I had thought the silver bullet camera had arrived, enabling people like me to set aside the weight and bulk of, in my case, a Canon system including L glass. Very heavy and wearing on this creaking body. And before anybody says the word Leica, please consider that where I live, I couldn't afford to pay for the brand name, never mind for a camera from that stable.

FWIW, Michael & I, on a walk-about in San Antonio TX, did some unscientific side-by-side tests of the IQ of the X-100 and the Panny GH2 with the Panny 20mm lens. Other than some marked difference in exposure measurement (Panny consistently about 2/3 stop under), the IQ was quite comparable - in fact two seasoned pixel-peepers couldn't see much difference at all at regular ISOs. So, while slightly fatter in the body, the walk-around-ability of the GH2 w/ 20mm was very much the same as the X-100. The major advantage of the X-100 is its quite incredibly clean high ISO IQ - the advantage of the GH2 obviously is lens interchangeability.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 11, 2011, 02:07:58 pm

Thanks very much for that, Chris. I'll take what you say on board, but I have to admit to being a bit obsessed by the X100 and I don't think I'm a victim of the hype. I'm slightly encouraged by various posts on the web by users who, after a longer time using the camera, are beginning to come to grips with its eccentricities and are really falling for its charms. For me, the ability to use available light with very clean high ISO is a big plus. I could put up with a lot to get that.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: douglasf13 on April 11, 2011, 04:10:18 pm
The NEX-5 also has a very weak/non-existant AA filter.  Many photographers, including myself, get examples of moire all of the time when using sharp lenses, like Zeiss ZM.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Ken Bennett on April 11, 2011, 04:39:56 pm

I had thought the silver bullet camera had arrived, enabling people like me to set aside the weight and bulk of, in my case, a Canon system including L glass.

Well, no offense, but the Fuji is hardly a replacement for an entire bag of Canon cameras and L lenses. A better comparison would be with a 5D and a 35mm f/2, which is a relatively light combination capable of very nice photos. The Fuji X100 should easily replace that combo at lower cost, size, and weight. For some photographers it may indeed be the only camera needed, but I expect that most working photographers would use it for walk-around use; they would still need the Big Bag O' Canons.

That's how I use my GF-1 with the 20mm lens, which is a nice combo for an everyday carry camera, and a travel camera. Makes great photos. Takes lots of different lenses should you need them.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Craig Arnold on April 11, 2011, 05:05:31 pm
Well, no offense, but the Fuji is hardly a replacement for an entire bag of Canon cameras and L lenses.

Well no of course not. And yet...

in the four weeks I've had the X100 I've only once felt the need to take the Canon with me because I needed a telephoto option. I used to pretty much use my 5D2 + 50mm f1.4 for almost everything, and the Fuji is essentially filling that gap with no problems at all.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 11, 2011, 05:15:42 pm
Well, no offence taken but I'm not an idiot. If I gave the impression that the Fuji could take the place of a whole Canon system, then it must be down to bad phrasing on my part.

I have a 5D plus a range of L zooms from ultra wide up to 200mm. I had already been thinking about getting a fast prime, maybe a 24 or 28 for general use with the 5D. They're all heavy. The only prime I have is an 85mm 1.8, a focal length which I don't find all that useful in the street. Then the Fuji came along and, well, distracted me.

I am not a 'working photographer' in the sense that I need a Big Bag O'Canons on a daily basis. My main objective is to reduce equipment weight, but not at a cost of image quality. Perhaps I should stick with the Canon body and take your advice re a prime. Thanks anyway for your input. You may have put me back on my original track.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 11, 2011, 05:19:44 pm


I hadn't read Craig's comment before posting my own so all I can say is ..... well, there you go!
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: sojournerphoto on April 11, 2011, 07:56:34 pm
Perhaps I should stick with the Canon body and take your advice re a prime. Thanks anyway for your input. You may have put me back on my original track.


You could considre a zeiss or voigtlander prime for your 5D, as a manual focus alternative to the canon primes. There again, I really liked the canon 50/1.4
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Ken Bennett on April 11, 2011, 09:16:30 pm
Hey, Seamus, sorry that my original post came off a little wrong. I didn't mean to imply you were an idiot. (Really.)

I know from my personal experience with the GF-1 that these little cameras with a good fast prime lens can do an awful lot of great photography. The Fuji is a very attractive package, though I would have to think long and hard since I already have a similar camera.

Re: Canon primes with the 5D2. The 28/1.8 and the 35/2 are surprisingly good for the price. The 35/1.4 is one of my favorite lenses, though of course it's large and heavy, especially compared to my GF-1/20mm combo which is effectively the same. For me, the 24/1.4 is a specialty lens on the 5D, though I use it a lot on my 1D series cameras, where it is a great photo-j lens.

The Zeiss lenses have a great reputation, I'd love to try some of those.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 12, 2011, 04:30:01 am
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Hey, Seamus, sorry that my original post came off a little wrong. I didn't mean to imply you were an idiot. (Really.)

No worries, Ken. I'm gonna sit back and take my time on this one. I'd love to hear a little more from Craig after a month with the Fuji. He sounds a happy camper and I'd dearly like to know how he achieved that state of mind with a camera considered by all to be a bit of a pain in the ass re handling.

Back to the Canon 35mm - large and heavy are the words I don't want to hear. Out of the frying pan into the fire. If I get involved with a 'walkabout' camera with interchangeable lenses, I just know I'll end up with another heavy bag. In that sense, I am a bit of an idiot! Really.

Craig, if you read this, any chance of a little more on the Fuji handling issue? Please!
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: kim on April 12, 2011, 07:49:09 am
Well written review by MR although one area that didn’t get enough emphasis in my view is the slow startup time.

I’ve never used an X100 but I have used several generations of consumer digital EOS going back to the early 2000s. The slow startup time was a major drawback (for me, anyway) of the older generation of these EOS. I lost a good number of shots and compromised others thanks to this feature. In 2004 Canon fixed it on the EOS 20D and startup has been pretty much instantaneous in all models since then. Battery life has much improved too. For Fuji to bring out a “premium” camera in 2011 with a slow startup is unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. Keeping the camera “on” all the time to get a fast startup isn’t a valid solution for most of us due to concerns about battery life while out on a photo trip.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 12, 2011, 08:14:32 am

See, Kim -it's stuff like that I'm worried about.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Craig Arnold on April 12, 2011, 09:14:37 am
Craig, if you read this, any chance of a little more on the Fuji handling issue? Please!

Well I've lots of bits and pieces on configuration and handling on my blog.

But my basic recommendations are:

Use MF if in Aperture priority mode, combine with zone focussing and the camera is incredible; quiet and very easy to use, light, small and non-threatening.

Use AF-S if in Program mode. I use Program mode quite a lot, and auto-ISO too. Essentially the camera then operates as a P&S, but that's fine, it allows you to concentrate on framing and timing.

Get a very fast SDHC card - one of the 8Gb 45mb/s ones. This dramatically improved the camera's performance compared to the 16Gb 15Mb/s cards. Startup time is reduced to <2s from >3s. General operation is much better with a fast card. It's sluggish compared to a DSLR but similar to most P&S cameras I have used.

In 5 weeks I have only had one lockup where I had to pop the battery. Not an issue.

My viewfinder has gone a bit wonky I think. Perhaps I banged it. I have switched on the artificial horizon for now, which I find a bit distracting, but either I will learn to tilt the camera a couple of degrees CC or I will send it in for adjustment. This is no different to RF cameras, these things happen, though it does seem like it's fairly common with this first batch. I cannot be 100% sure though, because it's a bit tricky to tell. Anyway I have been using the OVF without my specs and that helps too.

Of course with ACR RAW support you simply don't worry about WB, picture style, sharpening, etc, etc. I'm not terribly bothered at the moment - I've just turned everything down to minimum on the JPG settings and do the normal thing in LR.

I am pretty much in the habit of turning off the power when I end a session, and turn it on as I see a situation developing. I find in practice there are very few situations where it's a real-world issue that I need to take a picture with less than 2s warning. If you commonly do that sort of thing and cannot anticipate the action that far ahead then this clearly not the camera for you.

It may well be that I will no longer need a DSLR system and that the X100 will be enough for my needs. But honestly I think this is a camera for people who also own a larger high-end system. This is the camera you take everywhere, either on its strap or in your bag when you are not going out photographing. For the people who read this site it will be predominantly an alternative to their S95 or LX5 or X1 or DP2.

It's my snapshot camera. Love it.

Also I don't think it's for people who think of cameras as "just a tool", it's too fiddly and quirky for that. It's for people who, at least some of the time, love cameras as cameras not simply for their utility. If you are the kind of person who thinks of a camera as "just a tool" then you'd be better off with something else.

 X100 blog with pics (http://peri.org.uk/wp/?tag=blog)
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: seamus finn on April 12, 2011, 11:33:02 am
Now you're talking, Craig. Sincere thank you for that. Plenty to digest there.

Just discovered your X100 blog. Brilliant. Kicking myself that I didn't see it sooner. I'd recommend anybody interested in this camera to hasten there. http://peri.org.uk/wp/?tag=blog
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: TEBnewyork on April 12, 2011, 12:32:37 pm
Yes,
Lots of good stuff in the blog.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: MarkL on April 13, 2011, 07:29:31 am
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Use MF if in Aperture priority mode, combine with zone focussing and the camera is incredible; quiet and very easy to use, light, small and non-threatening.

This is exactly how I intend to use it, my only question is what is the wake from sleep time like? For my street shooting I need to it be very fast or I'll miss shots and the camera is useless to me.

I can't believe in 2011 I'm still waiting for a digital camera to do what an early 80s film camera could do well. Looks like fuji were ambitious and had the right concept but missed in their first version - I'll hang on for the X200 which hopefully has interchangeable lenses too.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: Craig Arnold on April 13, 2011, 09:05:15 am
This is exactly how I intend to use it, my only question is what is the wake from sleep time like? For my street shooting I need to it be very fast or I'll miss shots and the camera is useless to me.

I can't believe in 2011 I'm still waiting for a digital camera to do what an early 80s film camera could do well. Looks like fuji were ambitious and had the right concept but missed in their first version - I'll hang on for the X200 which hopefully has interchangeable lenses too.

Wake-from-sleep time is about the same as turning it on in the first place. Which is why I have taken to turning the camera on and off rather than let it go to sleep. Once again the kind of card you have in the camera makes a big difference in how fast that actually is.

If you use the "Quick Start Mode" it approximately halves startup time from sleep to around 0.5s but does drain the battery.

Of course you can switch off the auto-sleep. Of course then the battery life is reduced as the ovf will drain it. However, it's possible to carry many batteries and 3rd-party ones can be very cheap.

For example 7dayshop.co.uk has them for sale for £2.99 each. I bought two, but I've not run out of battery in a single day's shooting so far.

I suppose I should run the experiment of disabling "sleep" and leaving the camera switched on until the battery runs down completely to get an idea of the overall impact.

Check out the manual on pp15 & 22.
Title: Re: The Fuji
Post by: maxfire02 on May 15, 2011, 06:01:11 am
Hi all of you!

Well from bottom to top i noticed fuji vs canon battle!

I must say that both of these companies products are not perfect and cannot be!

But each company has unique products!

People perceive one of these companies as the best camera makers in the world because of their specific features over the other! :D

Well every one has his/her own choice! you cannot say that fuji users or canon users are idiot! ;D

As i am a lay man over here so i lack technical speaking

i hope you all will agree with me on the point i made here!

Thanks

Max

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