Topic: rumor: Pentax 645D Price: $6500 USD (Read 161461 times)

gwhitf · « **Reply #220 on:** March 10, 2010, 05:11:57 pm »

Quote from: dougpetersonci

The point is like any camera announcement - including from Phase or Leaf. I'll believe it and recommend it to clients when you show me a complete/shipping/working/proven/reliable system.

This is true. Of course, Doug is the voice of reason. While it's interesting and exciting to see a nice usable LCD on a CCD MF camera for once, still, the ship date says May, which means July, and only for the first ten cameras, so that really means September for any volume at all, but only if you live in Japan. So that really means Christmas, before anybody finds a way to bring them back to the USA. I can imagine the tall lanky Doug Peterson, walking on the Delta Airlines plane, with ten of those bodies strapped to his body, under his baggy clothing -- four on his torso, and three each on each leg.

So while this announcement is interesting, it's not going to fall into anyone's hands any time soon. So move along folks, there's nothing to see here. Back to work.

The truly sad thing is though -- this one announcement alone has made every other potential customer of L, H, and P sit up in their chair and pause. Just the announcement alone. Would be interesting to see the sales sheets of those three brands, starting today.

So I hereby announce the George Whitfield 645GW, with a four inch LCD, wireless tethering, and built-in retouching. Available (maybe), June 2011, but available only in Atlanta, Georgia. Stay tuned for more details.

bcooter · « **Reply #221 on:** March 10, 2010, 05:22:37 pm »

Quote from: gwhitf

this one announcement alone has made every other potential customer of L, H, and P sit up in their chair and pause. Just the announcement alone.

Well, it's a small world and I can bet by the time they hit the shelves in Tokyo, somebody in Hong Kong will be selling them, cause I am positive they sell everything in Hong Kong.

Regardless, whether we get to ever buy it or not, you'll never look down at your L, H, P, M, medium format camera again thinking this is the very best possible for 20 to 30 grand, cause it's been proven someone can do a whole lot more for under 10.

BC

fredjeang · « **Reply #222 on:** March 10, 2010, 05:23:07 pm »

It seems that Ken Rockwell is not convinced at all: http://kenrockwell.com/pentax/645d/index.htm

feppe · « **Reply #223 on:** March 10, 2010, 05:36:42 pm »

Quote from: fredjeang

It seems that Ken Rockwell is not convinced at all: http://kenrockwell.com/pentax/645d/index.htm

Oh dear, you made me click a Ken Rockwell link - now I need a shower to get the icky feeling off.

The competition has some features so poor that they would have been chuckle-worthy on a 1990s film SLR, and Mr Rockwell implies the pre-historic metering and AF of the competition is somehow better than multi-zone.

He mentions Live View on his rant, but I think that's an error on his part. Shocking, I know.

I should add his site to my hosts file. He used to be entertaining but now he's just another troll.

fredjeang · « **Reply #224 on:** March 10, 2010, 05:39:38 pm »

Quote from: feppe

Oh dear, you made me click a Ken Rockwell link - now I need a shower to get the icky feeling off.

Sorry Feppe! but I adviced before the link.

BernardLanguillier · « **Reply #225 on:** March 10, 2010, 07:25:21 pm »

I believe that the main target for the 645D in Japan is not wedding, but landscape.

I have never seen a Pentax 645 in the hands of a wedding pro around here, but about half of the landacape shooters use a 645AF... the focus of the specs (weather sealing, cold weather,...) is also clearly focused on the great outdoors.

So thethered shooting is probably low on the priority list of Pentax and skin tones might be as well. I know for a fact that the Mamiya ZD was delayed at least several months because they were not happy about the skin tones delivered by their own Mamiya raw conversion software back then. I could be that Pentax wants to avoid such problems too.

As far as customers in Japan saying yes to everything, this simply is not true. The respect is more from the manufacturers to anticipate the potential complains of the buyers which drives the amazing level of service and daily life quality you can experience around here.

Cheers,
Bernard

deejjjaaaa · « **Reply #226 on:** March 10, 2010, 07:58:46 pm »

Quote from: BernardLanguillier

So thethered shooting is probably low on the priority list of Pentax and skin tones might be as well. I know for a fact that the Mamiya ZD was delayed at least several months because they were not happy about the skin tones delivered by their own Mamiya raw conversion software back then. I could be that Pentax wants to avoid such problems too.

SilkyPix from ISL (that is what people in Japan use a lot I guess and its engine is used by Pentax DCU) has a good experience in delivering proper colors for various cameras... http://www.isl.co.jp + http://www.silkypixuk.com + http://www.shortcutinc.com/forums

mark_au · « **Reply #227 on:** March 10, 2010, 09:41:49 pm »

Some additional images of camera and it's components

http://www.fareastgizmos.com/digital_camer...slr_cameras.php

paul_jones · « **Reply #228 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:25:29 pm »

Quote from: mark_au

Some additional images of camera and it's components

http://www.fareastgizmos.com/digital_camer...slr_cameras.php

by the look of those pics, it doesnt look like its going to get a vertical grip (no contacts).

douglasf13 · « **Reply #229 on:** March 10, 2010, 11:20:34 pm »

Quote from: paul_jones

by the look of those pics, it doesnt look like its going to get a vertical grip (no contacts).

Not necessarily. Many camera vertical grips have a battery insert instead of exposed contacts:

paul_jones · « **Reply #230 on:** March 11, 2010, 12:32:36 am »

Quote from: douglasf13

Not necessarily. Many camera vertical grips have a battery insert instead of exposed contacts:

yeah, maybe like that.

fredjeang · « **Reply #231 on:** March 11, 2010, 03:55:25 am »

I have mixed feelings.
The interface is exactly in line with the Pentaxes dslr, the philosophy seems to be in between FF35mm and the classic MFDs wich is not a bad thing in itself, but then is that gona be enough with the new Nikons, Canons FF and maybe Sony ? The Pentax will really have to deliver better IQ in order to be tempting because what would be the point to carry a more heavy and bigger camera on the field if it just not outperforms the 35mm band?
We'll have to see the specs very closely, and the tethered point worries me a little bit.
In Spain, camera price is given at 7000 euros.
It is not a very good news that this Pentax is not Full Frame MF. Is not going to compeat directly with Phase or Hasselblad, but as Bernard pointed, they target a certain market, first in Japan is for a reason. It does not smell a game changer but a nice alternative.
I have the feeling that Pentax released this model because of the invertion they had already made, but won't be surprised if they are now on a 35mm FF in line with Nikon D3x etc...
I think the price, and lens line will be truly the keys of succes more than the camera specs.

Fred.

tho_mas · « **Reply #232 on:** March 11, 2010, 04:06:41 am »

I am not really familar with mulit-point AF...
So my question is: would you consider this multi-point design helpful in any way?
http://www.fareastgizmos.com/entry_images/..._viewfinder.php

To me it looks more or less like a differentiated center AF (it's obviously a multi point AF pattern for a 135 camera).
The Hasselblad recompose AF feature seems to be more practical... IMHO.

aaron · « **Reply #233 on:** March 11, 2010, 04:16:53 am »

Quote from: fredjeang

I have mixed feelings.
The interface is exactly in line with the Pentaxes dslr, the philosophy seems to be in between FF35mm and the classic MFDs wich is not a bad thing in itself, but then is that gona be enough with the new Nikons, Canons FF and maybe Sony ? The Pentax will really have to deliver better IQ in order to be tempting because what would be the point to carry a more heavy and bigger camera on the field if it just not outperforms the 35mm band?
We'll have to see the specs very closely, and the tethered point worries me a little bit.
In Spain, camera price is given at 7000 euros.
It is not a very good news that this Pentax is not Full Frame MF. Is not going to compeat directly with Phase or Hasselblad, but as Bernard pointed, they target a certain market, first in Japan is for a reason. It does not smell a game changer but a nice alternative.
I have the feeling that Pentax released this model because of the invertion they had already made, but won't be surprised if they are now on a 35mm FF in line with Nikon D3x etc...
I think the price, and lens line will be truly the keys of succes more than the camera specs.

Fred.

No one has made a full frame MFD and both Phase and Hasselblads recent offerings are both using the same sensor as this Pentax, so what am i missing in your thoughts that its not going to compete with them directly?
Looking at the body design, features and construction quality (and price) i cant see how anyone can think its not a game changer !

BernardLanguillier · « **Reply #234 on:** March 11, 2010, 05:02:31 am »

Quote from: tho_mas

To me it looks more or less like a differentiated center AF (it's obviously a multi point AF pattern for a 135 camera).
The Hasselblad recompose AF feature seems to be more practical... IMHO.

That is for sure a far cry from DSLR level.

Cheers,
Bernard

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #235 on:** March 11, 2010, 05:03:50 am »

Quote from: aaron

No one has made a full frame MFD and both Phase and Hasselblads recent offerings are both using the same sensor as this Pentax, so what am i missing in your thoughts that its not going to compete with them directly?

Assuming your goal is photography and not inane scientific numeric precision then Phase One has been shipping a full-frame MFD (the P65+) for 15 months now.

If that difference is not negligible for any photographic purpose I don't know what is. Especially since the viewfinder coverage of the Phase One AF/DF bodies is 100% when shooting with a 65+ (without any masks or etchings).

Since I was at it: here is 645 film vs the sensor size in use in the shipping Phase One P40+, Aptus-II 8, H4D-40, and announced Pentax 645D.

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fredjeang · « **Reply #236 on:** March 11, 2010, 06:07:51 am »

Quote from: dougpetersonci

Assuming your goal is photography and not inane scientific numeric precision then Phase One has been shipping a full-frame MFD (the P65+) for 15 months now.

If that difference is not negligible for any photographic purpose I don't know what is. Especially since the viewfinder coverage of the Phase One AF/DF bodies is 100% when shooting with a 65+ (without any masks or etchings).

Since I was at it: here is 645 film vs the sensor size in use in the shipping Phase One P40+, Aptus-II 8, H4D-40, and announced Pentax 645D.

Doug Peterson
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...Thank you Doug, you avoided me a writing.
Fred.

ziocan · « **Reply #237 on:** March 11, 2010, 06:50:01 am »

Quote from: fredjeang

...Thank you Doug, you avoided me a writing.
Fred.

Oh, really?
what did you just do?

fredjeang · « **Reply #238 on:** March 11, 2010, 07:10:31 am »

Quote from: ziocan

Oh, really?
what did you just do?

I was about to send the same pictures sensor size in response to a post, as Doug did it before me, it avoided me to write this post. It is as simple as that.
Fred.

Nemo · « **Reply #239 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:02:33 am »

Quote from: fredjeang

I have mixed feelings.
The Pentax will really have to deliver better IQ in order to be tempting because what would be the point to carry a more heavy and bigger camera on the field if it just not outperforms the 35mm band?

It is not a question of IQ.

Larger formats bring images with a different aesthetic...

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