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« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2009, 09:26:02 am »

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I don't get the bickering about the extra focussing functionality of Hasselblad. If they really get this working properly, I am truly sceptical about it and will only believe it after having used it for a fairly extensive period of time, it would be awesome.

i used the system briefly yesterday and can say that it works as advertised. IMO when shooting focus/recompose which I do a fair bit this is a great feature.

Oh and keep an eye on the Hasselblad site, I don't believe we've heard all the H4D features as yet

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« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2009, 09:26:46 am »

Sounds good to me.  However, it's an AF solution for hand-held only.  On a tripod, I'd probably MANUAL focus, but the H series cameras have a MAJOR flaw:

If the camera is on a tripod, turned in a vertical orientation, there is no waist-level angle viewfinder that can be rotated 360 degrees for the camera (same with Contax 645).  I'm talking about a simple angle finder that Canon, Nikon, and Mamiya have.

Here's the one for Mamiya, which attaches to the non-removeable viewfinder on the 645AFD bodies: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1831..._FA401_for.html

Seems like a very simple and extremely necessary accessory to have, especially since the H bodies have removeable viewfinders.

Just a suggestion.
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« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2009, 10:01:59 am »

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Sounds good to me.  However, it's an AF solution for hand-held only.  On a tripod, I'd probably MANUAL focus, but the H series cameras have a MAJOR flaw:

If the camera is on a tripod, turned in a vertical orientation, there is no waist-level angle viewfinder that can be rotated 360 degrees for the camera (same with Contax 645).  I'm talking about a simple angle finder that Canon, Nikon, and Mamiya have.

Here's the one for Mamiya, which attaches to the non-removeable viewfinder on the 645AFD bodies: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1831..._FA401_for.html

Seems like a very simple and extremely necessary accessory to have, especially since the H bodies have removeable viewfinders.

Just a suggestion.

How about our angle finder then?

http://www.hasselblad.com/products/lenses-...ccessories.aspx

(Scroll down a bit!)
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« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2009, 10:13:01 am »

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david,
has the H3DII 60 been cancelled? will there be an upgrade path from the H3DII 50 to the H4DII 60? peter

Any existing orders for the H3DII60 will be honored as H4D's.

Yes there will be an upgrade path from the H3DII50.

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« Reply #64 on: September 27, 2009, 10:13:52 am »

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Hi David, Just one more question, what are these contacts for? Did Hasselblad consider the vertical grip when they designed the body?

cheers paul

There is lots of latency in the H design.  

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« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2009, 10:15:29 am »

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Indeed even Canon, with all of their resources, have stated more than once that they are incapable (at the moment) of spreading the AF points any wider than they already are. Same with Nikon. Heaven knows why they can't, but I am sure if they could, they would.
Thanks David for braving the barracuda tank here.
And I agree with j.r., Hasselblad are looking more promising as they go. They are putting real thought into their cameras and software. And given the limited resources and tightening sales in this industry as a whole - I say bravo. (let's not forget their competitors are either a.) out of business or b.) doing jack shit like Mamiya seems to be doing in terms of innovation.)

Thanks Lisa!

Plus also consider extra benefits of motion / position sensing in the camera.

-Aerial / Survey
-Stitching
-'Digital' Scheimpflug correction with the HTS..
-?

This is not to say we are going to add these features but there are many exciting things to explore.

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« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2009, 10:18:07 am »

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Spacing the sensors out across the frame is the issue, is it not.

If it is not possible to build a larger "unit", why not just use three single point sensors units, which they already have, and actually physically space them apart??? What are we missing? I don't mean to be rude, because that just gets flamed, is this not possible, and why?

The actual single point AF optics (It is an optical system after all) are actually relatively large.  To put three of them in the body would be extremely difficult I am afraid.  We have of course considered this.  I believe there are other issues which an engineer would best explain!

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« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2009, 10:35:36 am »

Thanks David, I stand corrected, but if I can't order a simple accessory online from B&H or Calumet (because it's not listed), the product doesn't exist to me.
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« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2009, 01:11:13 pm »

The H4D-60 will not be the ideal camera for everything - e.g. candle-lit hand-held candids?

The discussing about AF seems to be about re-composing after focusing... how well will the AF work with moving subjects... e.g. dancers/gym vaulters in a photo/dance studio? (my wife is a ballet/gym/tap teacher)...

¿I had been thinking of pre-focusing, using a tripod (and a view camera and electronic shutter if control of the plane-of-sharpest focus was required) and triggering the shutter with a shutter-beam?

¿Presumably the AF will be an improvement in "point-and-shoot" mode?

¿Using a view camera on a tripod, the back would be ideal due to the res, with 100 MPx easily achievable with shift-and-stitch on a 6*9 camera like a Sinar P3, using focus-and-shift without moving the lens?
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« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2009, 02:11:02 pm »

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Any existing orders for the H3DII60 will be honored as H4D's.

Yes there will be an upgrade path from the H3DII50.

david,
thanks! so the H3DII 60 was trashed? will the upgrade price from H3DII 50 to H4D 60 be the same as
what was announced for H3DII 50 to H3DII 60?
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« Reply #70 on: September 27, 2009, 04:33:49 pm »

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.......I am fascinated by Hasselblad's marketing......going on about the great new focusing system and how much better it is than multi-point focusing.......

...more fascinating even are comments in forums defending a single centre point focusing system claiming users are not sports shooters etc so why need multi-point.......two words....FASHION PHOTOGRAPHER.....how many of you out there shooting fashion are using Nikons and Canons over your H3D-39's now BECAUSE of the autofocusing systems in them amongst other things.........would be interesting to know.....

anyway, this all makes me think CEO Poulson thinks we're too reverential of the brand not to see the reality of the fact they'd love to have multi-point but they can't/won't bring it into their system.....

WILL BE GREAT TO READ THE MARKETING WHEN THEY DO BRING IN MULTI-POINT FOCUSING.....Hasselblad is a strange creature isn't it....they claim to be so advnced but the one thing people hate most about the system is the one thing they dont solve!


I don't know you at all but reading this post it certainly seems to me that you have an agenda against Hasselblad or they hurt your feelings at some point.

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« Reply #71 on: September 27, 2009, 05:14:39 pm »

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I don't know you at all but reading this post it certainly seems to me that you have an agenda against Hasselblad or they hurt your feelings at some point.
You are not the only one to notice.

Seems like there is a lot of anger towards Hasselblad. Credit to David for returning here time and again, when there is an openly venomous vitriol, in what seems to be more and more like a forum for PhaseOne (just consider Doug Peterson 's post to see how threatened he must feel to make the statements he made -- glad David called him out, yes, it was "willy waving" -- really Doug, no need, just look at your user base to know there is satisfaction with your products, don't feel threatened).

It's well known that MR does not like Hasselblad, and that's too bad for both Hasselblad and for MR. An objective reviewer could help a company like Hasselblad, and sadly, this forum/site has become less useful due to the PO alliance and his/the anger. Too bad. Too bad anger is alive and well. Will it ever end?

If you are a Hasselblad user/customer who is similarly disappointed with this site and the anger, visit http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com for less drama.

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« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2009, 06:08:12 pm »

I'm not disappointed in this site at all.  I am disappointed in some of the people in this site.  Two different things.

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« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2009, 07:07:55 pm »

Thanks for the post David - looking forward to the details on the Hasselblad site.
Dont worry bout the Phase One 'fan boys' ...

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« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2009, 08:02:59 pm »

Quote from: jecxz
Seems like there is a lot of anger towards Hasselblad. Credit to David for returning here time and again, when there is an openly venomous vitriol, in what seems to be more and more like a forum for PhaseOne (just consider Doug Peterson 's post to see how threatened he must feel to make the statements he made -- glad David called him out, yes, it was "willy waving" -- really Doug, no need, just look at your user base to know there is satisfaction with your products, don't feel threatened).

Good heaves, I think you may have missed the joke.

David and I have a good (though mostly indirect) relationship based on the fact we both have to respond to some pretty ludicrous posts. He's a good man that does a good job of representing Hasselblad which is a good company that makes good products. If you think I think otherwise then you don't read enough of my posts.

(fyi, I closed my post with saying I was willy waving - it was a joke)

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« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2009, 08:04:09 pm »

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Doug, please. Posting six lines of some new Phocus features does not come under the banner of willy waving?

Also, yes Capture One is a proven platform - no doubt about that.  If you want to get into a conversation about 'Rock Solid' performance, let me know.

;-)

No no, you weren't. I was :-).

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« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2009, 08:08:56 pm »

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Phocus,don't have all those nice things of C1, but, have customer support is the best (to me)

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Phocus is free.

I pay $500.00 for C1 pro( I don't know the cost now)

I used to have p25 and p45+.  So I'm still using C1

Capture One DB is free and is the equivalent of Phocus (it only works with each maker's digital backs).

Only if you want to use Capture One with dSLR files do you have to pay a dime.

Sounds like you had a bad experience with C1 support. Don't know why; in my (pretty extensive) experience the support staff in the US, Europe, and Asia are extremely knowledgeable and helpful, and both your Phase One dealer and Phase One should be able to provide you excellent support.

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« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2009, 08:10:59 pm »

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Good heaves, I think you may have missed the joke.

David and I have a good (though mostly indirect) relationship based on the fact we both have to respond to some pretty ludicrous posts. He's a good man that does a good job of representing Hasselblad which is a good company that makes good products. If you think I think otherwise then you don't read enough of my posts.

(fyi, I closed my post with saying I was willy waving - it was a joke)

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You may be joking but it certainly seems very unprofessional to me.

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« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2009, 08:25:14 pm »

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You may be joking but it certainly seems very unprofessional to me.

Hopefully one day we'll meet and share a beer.

The written word can come off much differently than it was intended. Any offense taken I apologize for.

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« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2009, 08:49:29 am »

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Hopefully one day we'll meet and share a beer.

The written word can come off much differently than it was intended. Any offense taken I apologize for.


The beer is going to be at the white house?  

Can I go to?

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