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« on: July 05, 2009, 10:09:00 am »

Medium Format with Discrete Bellow. 12,600 Yen in Ginza. Got the luxury version with the Zuiko Olympus lens.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlangui...57620990130582/

However, there is a problem. Because of the lack of manual, I could not locate the SD card slot, anybody can help?

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 10:23:34 am »

No ya dummy!  The card goes into the back - did you not get a P1 back with it?

Seriously, looking forward to seeing some shots.  Is is seperate RF/VF or do they combine them?

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 12:09:16 pm »

Bernard
I have a PDF of the manual and it shows a SD card that looks like this:
[attachment=15123:IMG_3739.jpg]
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 12:24:05 pm »

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Medium Format with Discrete Bellow. 12,600 Yen in Ginza. Got the luxury version with the Zuiko Olympus lens.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardlangui...57620990130582/

However, there is a problem. Because of the lack of manual, I could not locate the SD card slot, anybody can help?

Cheers,
Bernard

You should find it between the battery door and HDMI out.

I've been looking for a portrait lens for my C220 for a while now, they seem to be quite rare. I'm also considering a 4x5 for portraits. But this baby you just acquired looks gorgeous! I've never really considered a MF rangefinder, but they seem reasonably sized and should produce great photos. Please post pics as soon as you get to try her out!

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 02:31:44 pm »

It goes where SD cards normally go in this camera.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 03:49:44 pm »

It´ll never catch on.

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 06:17:14 pm »

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It´ll never catch on.

Rob C

Technology moves ahead. Would you be a Luddite of sorts?

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:30 am »

Doesn't look at all like the Mamiya 6 I once owned.

Where do you insert the wet plates in that thing?

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 12:38:50 am »

I thought it was obvious where it went. Just look at the photo. Oh… and they take compact flash cards.

[attachment=15167:mamiya_6.jpg]

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 04:21:41 am »

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I thought it was obvious where it went. Just look at the photo. Oh… and they take compact flash cards.

[attachment=15167:mamiya_6.jpg]

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 04:22:34 am »

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Doesn't look at all like the Mamiya 6 I once owned.

Where do you insert the wet plates in that thing?

You cannot possibly be that old, right?

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 05:18:52 am »

If I may insert a serious note for a moment: those folding bellows cameras, from 35mm to roll, does anybody know how parallel, in general, the front remained to the back? There were many models of the type still doing the rounds in the mid-fifties but they died out quite quickly after that, it seemed. Even as a young guy I was very suspicious of the format; maybe because I worked in engineering for a while.

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 05:33:25 am »

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If I may insert a serious note for a moment: those folding bellows cameras, from 35mm to roll, does anybody know how parallel, in general, the front remained to the back? There were many models of the type still doing the rounds in the mid-fifties but they died out quite quickly after that, it seemed. Even as a young guy I was very suspicious of the format; maybe because I worked in engineering for a while.

Good point, I do indeed strongly suspect that they live their live as a Tilt lens in pretty un-controlled ways... but they look so cool.

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 10:30:48 am »

Bernard,

That looks like a really fine camera. Congrats (and very sincere such).

Allow me to remain very sincere and serious;

1) That camera will assumably be capable of about same quality of images as my Mamiya 7ii, assuming we both stick to same "SD card/sensor" (a.k.a. FUJI FILM)...

2) Did you serious rather consider a MFDB, such as P1 or Leaf? It is likely to blow your socks off - at low ISO. Aint nothing like your D3X or prior ZD (speaking low ISO)...

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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 10:53:27 am »

Bernard,

I bet your new "6" will be much easier to lug into the mountains than any MFDB would be. Stitching might require a couple of additional steps, but that's back at headquarters. I look forward to seeing some of your pix from it.

As for how old I am: How well I recall dashing out of the cave with a dripping wet plate covered by a piece of mastodon hyde, inserting it into my camera-obscura, pulling off the cover from the pinhole, and hoping that I'd get enough light in before the Brontosaurus got to me. Ah, the good old days. That were truly the Golden Age of Photography, when sharp images occured only in my imagination!   

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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2009, 11:09:41 am »

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You cannot possibly be that old, right?

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EricM

Is 92.

But he look good for he's age, he look like 73  

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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2009, 04:29:35 pm »

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EricM

Is 92.

But he look good for he's age, he look like 73  

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Thank you, Blas. You would know, since you have been watching me from when I was born (I think you were about 40 then, weren't you?)

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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2009, 06:10:22 pm »

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EricM

Is 92.

But he look good for he's age, he look like 73


I had an 84 year old writer in my studio once, and he asked me to make him look younger. No problem, I said -- I can easily make you look 83. (Ba da bump.)

Back on topic, those folding 6x6 cameras were great. Lots of fun.
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2009, 06:17:52 pm »

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Bernard,

That looks like a really fine camera. Congrats (and very sincere such).

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2009, 06:58:55 pm »

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2) Did you serious rather consider a MFDB, such as P1 or Leaf? It is likely to blow your socks off - at low ISO. Aint nothing like your D3X or prior ZD (speaking low ISO)...

Anders,

Allow me to ask, what experience do you have with a D3x? It is much better than the Mamiya ZD that seems to be our common reference on this topic. How clean and sharp the D3x files are is pretty amazing coming from the ZD. The shadows are especially impressive, pull pull pull... no noise whatsoever in areas that look black when opening the files.

As far as back goes, the many files that I have seen from Phase and Hassy have never really impressed me that much (they might not have been shot optimally). I do not like the way micro detail become painterly. I much prefer the way my D3x files with correct sharpening look at 100% on screen. They do have a real photographic quality to them. I have less experience with Leaf files that are said to be better.

But the main problem really is with the cameras supporting the backs.
- My Mamiya experiences have convinced me that they don't have the potential to handle the demands of high level digital, very nice people though,
- AFi seemed tempting but is now dead,
- H3 is a body whose ergonomics I really dislike (vertical shooting is impossible without wrist injuries), with heavy lenses, some of them no that impressive (I used to shoot with a H1 and was real disapointed by the 35 mm for instance).

In the end the only useful option is a Cambo wide and digitar lenses with the back on, but this is impossible to focus critically in the field without life view and the actual information contained in one of my D3x files correctly focused will be real close to that of a loosely focused back anyway.

Besides, I am not even going on all the annoying things like:
- overall lack of quality generating many issues (including alignement issues impacting image quality)
- poor long exposure image quality (Dalsa sensors)
- color casts
- lack of DoF
- lack of battery life in cold weather,
- slowness of operation
- poor screens
- lack of image stabilitization
- poor high ISO
- lack of efficient flash system
- limited lenses range (does't go very wide, doesn't go very long) - my Nikon lenses go from 14mm to 300mm and are all tack sharp from corner to corner (leaving aside the 80-400 that is not that impressive), MF set up would go at best from 20 to 200 mm in 35 mm equivalence,
- ...

All that is without looking at the difference in price.

In the end I am much better off with stitching with the D3x when I want really good image quality in flexible image aspect ratio (stitching is the only option here anyway) and using my Ebony/Mamiya when I want to have fun.

The only way I could start looking at these back seriously is when they will feature in back live view. Until then I will spend my extra $ in second hand high end audio and my useful $ in extending the Nikon system with more panoramic options.

Cheers,
Bernard
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