Tony Beach said to Ray,
"Right, you want to argue with something I cited without investigating it. The biggest difference between how you have approached this discussion and the way I have is that when I write something I back it up and when you write something it's mostly your unsubstantiated opinion."
No disrespect, but isn't this exactly what you are doing Tony, offering unsubtantiated opinion? On page 8, post 155, you said, " it seems that Canon has abandoned the niche that the 5D occupied and ceded that ground to Nikon (D700)." What ground has the 5DMkII 'ceded' to the D700? The 5DMkII has left the D700 in the dust on virually every respect, except mayby fps and sealing. The D700 can't even cover the ground the 3-year old 5DMkI on image quality, so how in the world is it going to compare to the upgrade 5DMkII?
Tony, I also noticed you were quick to quote this mysterious Canon engineer, to undermine some of what Canon's doing, and yet in the same breath you said, "Please, that's a Canon engineer speaking, do we really expect him to say the 5D is not as good as the D700?" So basically, Tony, you're going to pick and choose what you believe then, is that it? The negative comments are "true" but the positive comments are "false," is that it?
You then went on to say, "I strongly suspect that pixels have been underutilized by Canon's execution of the 5DII and that they could accomplish equal detail with fewer megapixels."
"Strongly suspect?" What does that mean? Where are the actual facts you told Ray that you always stuck to? All of your rhetoric, Tony, basically boils down to exactly a bunch of "unsubstantiated opinion" on your part, nothing more. That is all you are really doing here: poo-pooing something without any facts at all. The comical part is your motive is transparent as hell, so let me spell it out for you. Since you used the word "fanboyism" on me, let me return the favor: all the schooling, education, and professionalism aside ... that really what you are youself---a Nikon fan---and all this rhetoric from you is nothing but you refusing to believe that Canon might have hit a home run in this camera. From what I can see, that's pretty much all there is to your posts here, is you refusing to believe that this 5DMkII isn't a home run by Canon.
You (and another prominent Nikonian) are offering nothing but a bunch of "unsubstantiated, negative speculation" to make yourselves feel better about what appears to be one helluva new camera offering by Canon. In fact, your cohort Nikonian said, "I personally speculate that 1. At pixel level the 5DMKII will be slightly but noticeably inferior with regards to noise from the D3/D700."
This is utterly ridiculous and nothing but "anti-fanboyism" from two diehard Nikonians
And that's all that this is ...
I think your previous enthusiasm for what this might mean for Nikon, where their next move might be to come out with something really positive themselves, is a lot more mature and realistic way to address this new camera offering than the previous "negative, boo-hoo, it-can't-be-better-than-Nikon" babbling.
The truth is, even the remedial cameras are all so good now (compared to the very best of just a few years ago) that the now-best cameras have nowhere to go but down in price. To me that's the most exciting and positive "speculation" that should be going on here about the whole camera market and industry now.
Jack
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