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« Reply #200 on: July 15, 2008, 03:48:07 am »

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Yes, that sensor would be great on a Hy6 but let's wait and see what Sinar announces. A cheaper and lower resolution 645 size back would be even better, no? I'm dreaming of a 30MP 645 sensor which does 2fps and iso 1600
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How about a 30MP 645 sensor with 1 frame every 4 seconds, super-clean ISO 800 and exposures of upto 1 hour, specially for us architecture guys? I don't even want an LCD screen! Should be much cheaper, no?  

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« Reply #201 on: July 15, 2008, 04:03:51 am »

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Yes, that sensor would be great on a Hy6 but let's wait and see what Sinar announces. A cheaper and lower resolution 645 size back would be even better, no? I'm dreaming of a 30MP 645 sensor which does 2fps and iso 1600
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Exactly!
Go Graham!

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« Reply #202 on: July 15, 2008, 08:32:04 am »

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This stuff really needs to step into the future.

Turn it over to 20th Century Fox and Bruckheimer.

Let's get infinate resoltuion machines that allow you to take a 7-11 video grab from a $12 camera and read the fine detail of the perps face on a 48" monitor.

Better yet, let's get past all of this 2d stuff and get to real 3d



Forget about wi-fi'ing a Jpeg to your client, heck, let's just beem the models straight to the magazine.

A device like this would be well worth the 50k it takes to shoot medium format and have multiple uses.

You know, those pesky account executives that say things like, "the client wants a blue background" . . . whack . . . beam them off the set  to  . . . well you get the idea.

That'll quiet the set down.

Also think about the traffic on La Cienega when your trying to get to location.  Pull out your manmelter and zip, road clear, or when the spouse says you spend too much time on the computer?

Come on, Leaf, Phase, Sinar and Imablad. 

Give Hollywood a call and while your on it, let's get some renaming of the products.

What's a P21 have to do with 18 mpx, or a P65+ to 60?  A 54S?  Really.

Let's put some real names on these things (see manmelter for example).

Let's have some gizmos that really wow the clients.  Think about it, pulling out a manmelter will draw some attention, especially if you do one of those Klinko harnesses so you can work hands free.



We're waiting for inspiration.
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you could use the extra resolution to do plenoptics, which would get you close to that 3D camera you want. it'll allow you to change focus, depth of field, and perspective in post.

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« Reply #203 on: July 15, 2008, 09:15:31 am »

meanwhile on the P65+ thread...

WHAT are the upgrade prices?
seems to be a deafening silence on this so far...

anyone?
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« Reply #204 on: July 15, 2008, 09:18:33 am »

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meanwhile on the P65+ thread...

WHAT are the upgrade prices?
seems to be a deafening silence on this so far...

anyone?
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Phase One has informed dealers that upgrade pricing should be set within the next week.
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« Reply #205 on: July 15, 2008, 09:38:36 am »

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Phase One has informed dealers that upgrade pricing should be set within the next week.
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Do you recall what the upgrade pricing was from P45 to P45+?

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« Reply #206 on: July 15, 2008, 09:43:55 am »

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Do you recall what the upgrade pricing was from P45 to P45+?
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Currently the upgrade price for a P45 to a P45+ is $7,990.00 to go from a Classic (1 yr) warranty to a Classic (1 yr) warranty.  If the P45 has a Value Added warranty (3 yr) it is $9,490.00.


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« Reply #207 on: July 15, 2008, 09:45:33 am »

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meanwhile on the P65+ thread...

WHAT are the upgrade prices?
seems to be a deafening silence on this so far...

anyone?
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$1,000,000
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« Reply #208 on: July 15, 2008, 10:01:23 am »

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$1,000,000
   Priceless!!
  I do like your sense of humour.
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« Reply #209 on: July 15, 2008, 10:10:03 am »

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Do you recall what the upgrade pricing was from P45 to P45+?
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Howard there was an early adopter program for first six months after the announcements of the P to P+ upgrades that was $5990 then after that they were adjusted the prices that Chris has mentioned in his post.
Remember that with this upgrade it was all hardware, you got a brand new back and the warranty starts at day one of whatever warranty you had. One more important thing, no down time, these units are swapped out. No need to send in and wait weeks for your upgrade.
I suspect Phase One to do this as well with this round of upgrades.
Also Phase One said we should have the upgrade numbers this week.
Howard I will also check to see if there is a competitive upgrade from an H3D if you would like    .

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« Reply #210 on: July 15, 2008, 10:21:56 am »

if P45+ > P65+ is same as the new price difference (~$15-18,000) then Phase have lost my goodwill and custom.

if its in the region of the last upgrade ($6000 early adopters, $9000 later) then I'll huff and puff but probably do it.

Loyal customers deserve looking after
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« Reply #211 on: July 15, 2008, 10:26:29 am »

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Howard there was an early adopter program for first six months
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I love the way you guys name this stuff.

Early adopter program?

Sounds like I'm buying laminate flooring.

Why don't you guys just do the right thing, not ship the equipment until it's ready (including the iso "upgrade) and stick to a price?

JR

P.S.  What is an ISO upgrade?  Is it like the Hasselblad one that took two years and only works in their software?
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« Reply #212 on: July 15, 2008, 10:31:49 am »

James R,
 Just got the current issue of the "Studio Photography" magazine. On the back cover is an ad that you shot for Phase One's software. Nice image - me like it.
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« Reply #213 on: July 15, 2008, 10:33:05 am »

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Howard there was an early adopter program for first six months after the announcements of the P to P+ upgrades that was $5990 then after that they were adjusted the prices that Chris has mentioned in his post.
Remember that with this upgrade it was all hardware, you got a brand new back and the warranty starts at day one of whatever warranty you had. One more important thing, no down time, these units are swapped out. No need to send in and wait weeks for your upgrade.
I suspect Phase One to do this as well with this round of upgrades.
Also Phase One said we should have the upgrade numbers this week.
Howard I will also check to see if there is a competitive upgrade from an H3D if you would like    .

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Lance:
I am available at the right price, but first Phase has to do something about the LCD. [G] And when they do, Capture Integration would be the only place I would go. You guys do a great job with Phase. Just like PPR with Hasselblad.
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« Reply #214 on: July 15, 2008, 10:35:47 am »

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James R,
 Just got the current issue of the "Studio Photography" magazine. On the back cover is an ad that you shot for Phase One's software. Nice image - me like it.
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Thank you.



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« Reply #215 on: July 15, 2008, 10:40:58 am »

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Why don't you guys just do the right thing, not ship the equipment until it's ready (including the iso "upgrade) and stick to a price?

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In any market driven economy, you sell what a customer wants...  And if you have customers wanting to throw money at you for a product that isn't ready to ship, you let them   And if you want to "do the right thing," you reward them by offering them a slightly lower "early adopter" price...  

What I find interesting is the only people who seem to have an issue with that are the folks that want an even lower price and/or don't want to pay in advance for the privilege of being the first to get it.  Invariably these are the same folks that cry foul when the vendor fulfills it's early adopter obligations and raises prices...  And any vendor that has the biggest and best of anything is always going to be the one driving the upper end of the pricing scale.  

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« Reply #216 on: July 15, 2008, 10:57:56 am »

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In any market driven economy, you sell what a customer wants...  And if you have customers wanting to throw money at you for a product that isn't ready to ship, you let them   And if you want to "do the right thing," you reward them by offering them a slightly lower "early adopter" price... 

What I find interesting is the only people who seem to have an issue with that are the folks that want an even lower price and/or don't want to pay in advance for the privilege of being the first to get it.  Invariably these are the same folks that cry foul when the vendor fulfills it's early adopter obligations and raises prices...  And any vendor that has the biggest and best of anything is always going to be the one driving the upper end of the pricing scale. 

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I can only equate to how I do business and honestly I don't sell on the fact it's less if you buy early, with the promise I will make it good later.

Sure my prices move, usually depending on the project, the budget, the bottom line, my schedule and the economy, but the delivery is all the same, as promised and on time.

I also know that the entry price for all luxury goods is higher early on and at 60mpx, that is what this camera is  . . . a luxury product.  

Still, nobody's crying "foul" it's just seems like a less than professional way to present a product when I start hearing quotes like "early adopter".

I still think the photography/camera business is really gotten goofy with digital and I find a lot of it not that pleasent.

Buying in as an Early Adopter in the digital world usually means paing to be a  beta tester and I don't know what your business model is, but I'm not hired to test equipment.

I also know all the medium format companies have to make a profit and to do this have to introduce new product.

I'm good with that and that's not new in the world of commerce, but since most photographers are only as good as our last job, it's damn hard to walk out with a  beta test camera and take a chance.

Now, the flip side is Phase usually ships reliable equipment, though they haven't hit all of their own deadlines in the past, so as far as this camera goes, until the high iso upgrade is a reality I'll personally hold off.

If I shot landscapes and 60 billion pixels (or is that million, I get confused) is more important to me than the iso then maybe I'd feel different, though I would really like some word on what the lcd looks like.


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« Reply #217 on: July 15, 2008, 11:17:19 am »

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I can only equate to how I do business and honestly I don't sell on the fact it's less if you buy early, with the promise I will make it good later.

Sure my prices move, usually depending on the project, the budget, the bottom line, my schedule and the economy, but the delivery is all the same, as promised and on time.

I also know that the entry price for all luxury goods is higher early on and at 60mpx, that is what this camera is  . . . a luxury product. 

Still, nobody's crying "foul" it's just seems like a less than professional way to present a product when I start hearing quotes like "early adopter".

I still think the photography/camera business is really gotten goofy with digital and I find a lot of it not that pleasent.

Buying in as an Early Adopter in the digital world usually means paing to be a  beta tester and I don't know what your business model is, but I'm not hired to test equipment.

I also know all the medium format companies have to make a profit and to do this have to introduce new product.

I'm good with that and that's not new in the world of commerce, but since most photographers are only as good as our last job, it's damn hard to walk out with a  beta test camera and take a chance.

Now, the flip side is Phase usually ships reliable equipment, though they haven't hit all of their own deadlines in the past, so as far as this camera goes, until the high iso upgrade is a reality I'll personally hold off.

If I shot landscapes and 60 billion pixels (or is that million, I get confused) is more important to me than the iso then maybe I'd feel different, though I would really like some word on what the lcd looks like.
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I shot yesterday with a P45 b/c my P30 has died pretty much, and I would not even want a P45 if they gave it to me for the same price...(jk) but really. It ate up my Hard drives so fast it was amazing.
Also I noticed that the images would a lot less sharp than my P30.. is that possible?
I also noticed yesterday that by Adaptor for my P30 to RZIIPD has a little tiny space between it and the camera...
Doesn't it effect the image if that is even slightly off? I noticed if I pushed a little the space was smaller.
Wouldn't that effect if the image is in focus or not? sorry for the maybe stupid questions, but Seems that with digital those mm's might effect the sharpness of an image or no?
That P65+ has to be for people shooting cars are products where they take very little shots.
With the P45 and about 50 somehting shots the folder was already 9 gigs!
No thanks I stick with my P30...:+}
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« Reply #218 on: July 15, 2008, 11:22:22 am »

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Buying in as an Early Adopter in the digital world usually means paing to be a  beta tester and I don't know what your business model is, but I'm not hired to test equipment.

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Then don't!  Nobody is forcing you.  Let others who are willing to do so go ahead of you.  You have the option to wait until it is a perfectly functioning product before you enter, but of course you may pay a bit more by doing so.

My point is you seem to be blaming a company for a business practice that its customers want.  Sure, you can disagree with the folks participating, but it's not a company's fault they're offering a service that fills a demand...  

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« Reply #219 on: July 15, 2008, 11:25:15 am »

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Also I noticed that the images would a lot less sharp than my P30.. is that possible?
It is if the new back isn't aligned properly with your body.

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Doesn't it effect the image if that is even slightly off? I noticed if I pushed a little the space was smaller.
Wouldn't that effect if the image is in focus or not? sorry for the maybe stupid questions, but Seems that with digital those mm's might effect the sharpness of an image or no?

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Yep, and probably why you have the sharpness issue...
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