P65+

[pss]

i am amazed by the bitching that is going on here.....after reading (and complaining myself) for years about what the next back should and should not have, i think this one pretty much answers all questions...
full frame 645....check
12.5 stops DR....check
50-800....check
60mpix...yep

AND the best part: for all of us who don't WANT 60mpix AND want 1600....
it seems like we might get: 30mpix at 1fps (or aybe even faster) at 1600 AND ever higher DR....at full frame 645....that is insane...

i don't care if the thing has a 1,2,3,4,5 or 15 inch screen...you won't be able to judge it from that size....not possible.....

40000.-? thank all your friends who voted republican and did so again.....euro-dollar from 1:1 to 1:1.6 within a couple of years and that is not the end of it.....

either way i am not sure how this one can be topped anyway....for years these are the specs everybody in this forum has been screaming for...claiming to sign a check right NOW.....well, put your money where your mouth is......btw: it comes in contax mount....

i honestly don't see why i would ever need another back....no matter what anybody says...this one does 4x5 quality.....and it looks like it will do 35 speed and low noise AS AN OPTION!

so for 40000, i get to shoot 4x5 at 1fps for the rest of my life...all day long....not a bad deal at all....

my only problem with this announcement is that i guess i will never get to see this chip on the Hy6.....which means i will never get to use schneider with it....and i just don't wee where this leaves the Hy6 as a system.....and really this would be the system for this chip......

or leaf....i am not sure how that will work....dalsa working with phase on their flagship chip and leaving leaf....behind?

another note....i got flooded with emails from hasselblad and dealers with the H3D50 announcement....i have never owned a H hasselblad....
i have owned 2 phase backs and bought C1 to use with my canons.....nothing so far....

[paul_jones]

i am amazed by the bitching that is going on here.....after reading (and complaining myself) for years about what the next back should and should not have, i think this one pretty much answers all questions...
full frame 645....check
12.5 stops DR....check
50-800....check
60mpix...yep

AND the best part: for all of us who don't WANT 60mpix AND want 1600....
it seems like we might get: 30mpix at 1fps (or aybe even faster) at 1600 AND ever higher DR....at full frame 645....that is insane...

i don't care if the thing has a 1,2,3,4,5 or 15 inch screen...you won't be able to judge it from that size....not possible.....

40000.-? thank all your friends who voted republican and did so again.....euro-dollar from 1:1 to 1:1.6 within a couple of years and that is not the end of it.....

either way i am not sure how this one can be topped anyway....for years these are the specs everybody in this forum has been screaming for...claiming to sign a check right NOW.....well, put your money where your mouth is......btw: it comes in contax mount....

i honestly don't see why i would ever need another back....no matter what anybody says...this one does 4x5 quality.....and it looks like it will do 35 speed and low noise AS AN OPTION!

so for 40000, i get to shoot 4x5 at 1fps for the rest of my life...all day long....not a bad deal at all....

my only problem with this announcement is that i guess i will never get to see this chip on the Hy6.....which means i will never get to use schneider with it....and i just don't wee where this leaves the Hy6 as a system.....and really this would be the system for this chip......

or leaf....i am not sure how that will work....dalsa working with phase on their flagship chip and leaving leaf....behind?

another note....i got flooded with emails from hasselblad and dealers with the H3D50 announcement....i have never owned a H hasselblad....
i have owned 2 phase backs and bought C1 to use with my canons.....nothing so far....
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i agree completely. this is one very cool back, i wish i could afford it! at least i might be able to afford a refurb p45 now.

paul

[Doug Peterson]

another note....i got flooded with emails from hasselblad and dealers with the H3D50 announcement....i have never owned a H hasselblad....
i have owned 2 phase backs and bought C1 to use with my canons.....nothing so far....
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Post your budget and your email address and I'm sure all of us dealers will be happy to flood you with announcements :-).

Kidding! ...sort of.

Doug Peterson
[a href=\"http://www.captureintegration.com]Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer[/url]
Personal Portfolio

[samuel_js]

Is some of the future here already?

Made without cameras or lights.

http://code.google.com/creative/radiohead/
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Amazing!

[pss]

Post your budget and your email address and I'm sure all of us dealers will be happy to flood you with announcements :-).

Kidding! ...sort of.

Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer
Personal Portfolio
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=208164\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

my website gives you my email, studio and cell phone and complete address.....

[lance_schad]

Just an FYI we just went live with in-depth information on the new PhaseOne announcements. (thanks doug)
http://captureintegration.com/

Lance Schad
Capture Integration - Miami/Atlanta
Direct: 305-534-5701 x1 | Cell: 305-394-3196
Toll Free: 877-217-9870
Capture Integration

[free1000]

i am amazed by the bitching that is going on here.....after reading (and complaining myself) for years about what the next back should and should not have, i think this one pretty much answers all questions...
full frame 645....check
12.5 stops DR....check
50-800....check
60mpix...yep

AND the best part: for all of us who don't WANT 60mpix AND want 1600....
it seems like we might get: 30mpix at 1fps (or aybe even faster) at 1600 AND ever higher DR....at full frame 645....that is insane...

If this pixel binning and ISO speed happen then this will be a great piece of gear

I've shot 60Mp stitches in the past and I think they have higher resolution than 5x4. I think that at this size, it will be hard for anyone to claim that the resolution is not better than 5x4.

The full frame aspect is an important one I think, because so many compromises have to be made for wide angle lenses. This buys one step in focal length (theoretically)

[HarperPhotos]

Simon, say hi to Dean and while at it, invite him to compare the Live View on your Aptus 75 to his offering.

Would love to hear your opinion after that.

Thanks

Yair
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Hi Yair,

Just read that it only can do one minute.

That has take a bit of the shine of it all ready.

Thanks

Simon

[hubell]

Is this lens a new design from Mamiya?

I have heard that it is a Hartblei product but haven't heard whether it is a new design
or whether it is a rebranded version of their Super-Rotator 45mm that Michael reviewed
a few years back.
Since that review discussed a pricepoint of around $1K the new $3K+ would hopefully
involve some improvements

MT
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Certainly sounds like the Hartblei from the specs. The silence suggests it is as well.

[TMARK]

Thanks TMark. About the recent works, I am just trying to do something interesting, and honestly those are my first attempt. I do that because my personal works are not enough for the portfolio, I just graduated from college for one year, and my major was physics,  so I really need to work harder.
Image, illustration or photography, I don't care, I just need something to show the AD, I wish those will help.
here are some of my personal works, and really I would like to shoot this kind of thing all day, if this kind of work can feed me:)
http://dejablue.blogbus.com/logs/11794062.html

about platon I guess your right, plus the use of  WA lenses. I mean technics, lightning, ps, whatever, is learnable, and though are easy to be down by machines. Maybe oneday photography is like cinema, you can find every technic in some kind of data sources.

sorry for my terrible English.

regards,
dustblue


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Nice stuff dustblue.  Keep it up.

[Nick Rains]

Is this lens a new design from Mamiya?

I have heard that it is a Hartblei product but haven't heard whether it is a new design
or whether it is a rebranded version of their Super-Rotator 45mm that Michael reviewed
a few years back.
Since that review discussed a pricepoint of around $1K the new $3K+ would hopefully
involve some improvements

MT
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I saw this lens at the Brisbane PMA Show in June. The importer (Bruce Pottinger, L+P Photographic) told me it's the Hartblei lens, re-badged. Don't know if it's an improved version but it sure looked like the one from MR's review.

[Jack Flesher]

I saw this lens at the Brisbane PMA Show in June. The importer (Bruce Pottinger, L+P Photographic) told me it's the Hartblei lens, re-badged. Don't know if it's an improved version but it sure looked like the one from MR's review.
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I've heard it's the Hartblei mount with new internal elements made by Zeiss...  

The two Hartblei 45's I tested were fine as long as you didn't shift them -- the minute you added more than about 3mm of shift, the corners started to degrade. So let's hope it's not just a rebadged Hartblei

[michael]

There are two T/S lenses coming from Phase, I've been told. One is a reengineered Hartblei and the other is a new Mamiya / Phase design.

Michael

[yaya]

I've heard it's the Hartblei mount with new internal elements made by Zeiss... 

The two Hartblei 45's I tested were fine as long as you didn't shift them -- the minute you added more than about 3mm of shift, the corners started to degrade. So let's hope it's not just a rebadged Hartblei
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Note the "Out of Stock" notice...  

AFAIK most Hartbleis are based on old Zeiss calculations and some were made by Zeiss in Jena.

Yair

[uaiomex]

Some lucky bastards will claim getting 5X7 quality

Eduardo

so for 40000, i get to shoot 4x5 at 1fps for the rest of my life...all day long....not a bad deal at all....

....nothing so far....
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[mcfoto]

I saw this lens at the Brisbane PMA Show in June. The importer (Bruce Pottinger, L+P Photographic) told me it's the Hartblei lens, re-badged. Don't know if it's an improved version but it sure looked like the one from MR's review.
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Hi Nick
Yes I saw the same lens & talked to the Phase rep about it. From what I could understand it will be new version of this same lens reworked. The new Phase SW will also support this 45 T/s lens.
Thanks Denis

[TMARK]

With all my bitching about ROI and MFDB I missed the Phase refurb specials.  $14,000 for the new camera, new 80mm lens and either a P30 or P25, gets an acceptable ROI.  Still not as good a ROI as a Sony EX1, but good nonetheless.

This is where the new gear should be priced.  If Phase were to market their new intro models at this price (which I suppose these "refurb" backs are), and market them to the Canon crowd, they could seize sales volume.  All of the back makers should target Canon in this way.  This would be transformative for the industry and might get us a good LCD and some of the other goodies within the feature set of the Rebel xsi.

[James R Russell]

Just an FYI we just went live with in-depth information on the new PhaseOne announcements. (thanks doug)
http://captureintegration.com/

Lance Schad
Capture Integration - Miami/Atlanta
Direct: 305-534-5701 x1 | Cell: 305-394-3196
Toll Free: 877-217-9870
Capture Integration

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Lance,

From your website;

ISO

As with the P25+ and P45+, the P65+ will operate from ISO 50-800. Exclusive to the P65+ is the ability to upgrade in 2009 to higher and cleaner ISOs. Phase One’s continued cooperation with Dalsa will lead to this and other continued image quality advances.

How do you upgrade the ISO?

Is it hardware, software, firmware?

If it's not hardware, does this mean the other legacy backs can also "upgrade" the iso?

JR

[dustblue]

absolutely,
I just hope this happens sooner.

With all my bitching about ROI and MFDB I missed the Phase refurb specials.  $14,000 for the new camera, new 80mm lens and either a P30 or P25, gets an acceptable ROI.  Still not as good a ROI as a Sony EX1, but good nonetheless.

This is where the new gear should be priced.  If Phase were to market their new intro models at this price (which I suppose these "refurb" backs are), and market them to the Canon crowd, they could seize sales volume.  All of the back makers should target Canon in this way.  This would be transformative for the industry and might get us a good LCD and some of the other goodies within the feature set of the Rebel xsi.
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[Graham Mitchell]

my only problem with this announcement is that i guess i will never get to see this chip on the Hy6.....which means i will never get to use schneider with it....and i just don't wee where this leaves the Hy6 as a system.....and really this would be the system for this chip......
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=208161\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Yes, that sensor would be great on a Hy6 but let's wait and see what Sinar announces. A cheaper and lower resolution 645 size back would be even better, no? I'm dreaming of a 30MP 645 sensor which does 2fps and iso 1600