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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2008, 07:13:09 pm »

Lovely looking

all you need now is an attractive way for me to trade my H and 4 lenses over to the Hy6..

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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2008, 07:21:44 pm »

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I think there will be some Alpa's for sale in the near future!
I don't think there will be many Alpa's for sale if Sinar doesn't support any back mounts other than the Hy-6 mount. No Mamiya back adapter? No Hassy V back adapter? No Hassy H back adapter? How hard can it be to provide purely mechanical interface plates for the other back mounts?? It's not like the proprietary Hy-6 electrical interface will be used on this body.

The Alpa's, Cambo's and Horseman's all provide back adapters for all the different camera bodies, including the Hy-6. That's Sinar's competition on this camera. I would find it extremely unusual and disappointing if Sinar decided to support only the Hy-6 back interface. Thierry, please tell me I misunderstood!!!
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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2008, 07:25:22 pm »

hi Murray,

I have no answer for this possibility at this stage concerning an adapter plate.
However, a re-mount of those lens should be possible, mechanically.
I have no further information yet.

Best regards,
Thierry

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for those with Alpa mounted lenses already, will there be an adapter plate for those lenses? If not will they be 'easily' re-mounted for this camera and would that be cost effective?

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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2008, 07:34:23 pm »

Mort,

at this stage only Sinar eMotion and Leaf AFi backs are supported. I can't speculate further.

Best regards,
Thierry

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« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2008, 07:36:14 pm »

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hi Murray,

I have no answer for this possibility at this stage concerning an adapter plate.
However, a re-mount of those lens should be possible, mechanically.
I have no further information yet.

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Hi Thierry,

please pass this as feedback to Sinar that I (and I'm sure many of the other architectural photographers) would find it very attractive to move to this camera if there was a way of bringing over the lenses already owned (in my case in Alpa mounts). Without that it is really cost prohibitive...

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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2008, 07:41:25 pm »

of course, Murray, you should know me.

Thanks,
Thierry

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Hi Thierry,

please pass this as feedback to Sinar that I (and I'm sure many of the other architectural photographers) would find it very attractive to move to this camera if there was a way of bringing over the lenses already owned (in my case in Alpa mounts). Without that it is really cost prohibitive...

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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2008, 07:53:02 pm »

What's the expected cost for this new beauty?

Will it work with the 54H/eyelike M22 and will it require any cables?
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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2008, 07:54:49 pm »

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hi Willem,

- the 23mm is not a typo: there is a 23mm lens in preparation.

- Yes, you can of course use your eMotion 75.

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what i heard today is that the 23mm Sinaron will be a rodenstock lens with an image circle off app. 70mm. what would mean one can shift it 10 -12mm, which would be fantastic for us. finally a lens which equals the good old 47xl on a 4x5" camera. no idea about the price and exact specs.... but so far this is more as a rumor as the info comes from sources closed to the font.  
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« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2008, 09:25:00 pm »

Very nice!!

Two years ago, I had a long conversation with Thomas at Alpa, and basically begged for a camera with these specifications.  He told me the XY was the answer, and hinted at the possibility of the MAX.  But really, this is almost exactly what I was asking for!

Looks very nice, Rainier--congratulations on this to you, and to Sinar, of course!

Now let's hope we're not disappointed with a crazy price tag!

Now that I'm on Hy6, I obviously don't mind the fact that my back works natively with this camera...  But in terms of longevity for the system, it would be nice to see solutions which allowed other backs to play too... I know you're probably already working on them Thierry!

Thanks for the great head's up.  And I look forward to your article, Rainier.  Let me know if you need anyone to help with the fact-checking--just send the camera on over and I'll confirm everything you write!  

Will my Rollei Hy6 lenses mount to this?

-Brad
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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2008, 09:39:26 pm »

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at this stage only Sinar eMotion and Leaf AFi backs are supported. I can't speculate further.

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Thierry,

Thank you for the status. Although I can understand the situation as far as the Hy6 is concerned, my personnal feeling is that Sinar would be shooting itself in the foot were it to support only Sinar + LEaf backs for this tempting camera.

Regards,
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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2008, 10:03:45 pm »

I'm a bit worried of the distortion of the new 23 Rodenstock.
I hope it's better than the 28 Rodenstock.
I think Sinar should also offer the 24XL and 35XL from Schneider,however I don't think it would work with the sliding back.
However I could be wrong here.

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« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2008, 10:49:39 pm »

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Thierry,

Thank you for the status. Although I can understand the situation as far as the Hy6 is concerned, my personnal feeling is that Sinar would be shooting itself in the foot were it to support only Sinar + LEaf backs for this tempting camera.

Regards,
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it might be not easy to understand me, but my approach was always and only to get a system which worked for me good enough ( formerly with the brumbaer tools and my input to its workflow and specs as well ).
to make this clear:
i never have had any interest to invent something for anyone but me. i wanted a good and fast software, i wanted color shift free files, i wanted a camera which does not press me to look through fisheye like viewfinders or to mount and unmount 100 times a day my back just to take a look through the ground glass.
i could not afford that someone made the things for me exclusive, so i looked for partners, as i found them in stefan or in sinar. great partners because they have been very competent in their field and they have been very open to speak with me. this is a fantastic because so started an exchange which has led to real results. much more than i ever expected.....

i am not a "tinkerer", even i have less interest in gear than most here in LL ( which does not make it easy for me to write a review for michael.... ).
i never visited a photokina show till now, nor will i do this year. why? because i have to shoot at this time as i had to do it last time. i am a full-time photographer, not an engineer, not a camera or software manufactory and not a distributor of anything except my photographs.

but i have a vison how the things should work for me, and i try to go there where i want to go. i have to repeat it: i am not spending much time in gear -thinking in it or testing it,- but i know how my tools  should work and i move myself if i dont find it in the market as i want it to be.
i spoke with many people, many are ignorant but others listened and discussed with me. some of these have been real great minds and capacities  in their field and so things could happen as brumbaer tools or now the arTec.

know what i mean? if someone has a phase back with a "V" mount and wants to use the arTec, although it looks as there will not be an adapter from sinar ( although i dont know if this will be the last word  ).
if you want this camera you have two choices: . either you are one of this LL (      ) photographers who earn 7 ,8 or 9 numbers hi income each year: than trash your phase back and buy a sinar or buy two  ( you`ll save taxes ) , or you are still under this income level ( sorry this discussion about the incomes was too funny .... ) than use your phase or whatever back, take the phone, phone someone from whom you think he can help you, maybe mr. zoerkendorfer or whom ever,- tell him your vision, your problem and the chances you see for him if he helps.

i am honestly somehow tired of blaming all day long the manufactories for what they should do and what they should not do.  its boring and my personal experience of working with companies isnt bad at all, at least my experience with sinar was and is simply great.  but working with a company means giving and getting, not only asking and criticizing.
so if you already know whats wrong, if you know what does not exist,- make it appear. its not such big thing with a mechanical mount ( maybe i am wrong herein .... someone who knows more about the technical specs will tell it soon, as i suppose ).
but,  as i said above.... i myself am very happy now to have finally the camera i always wanted. so at least for me thats great... good result for moving my ass and for asking help because i did not liked the existing solutions.

of course i like the side-effect a lot that many people can use this results now too and its really a big honor for me to see colleagues and great photographers will use this camera. i  hope they will like it .

but about the missing features my personal advice: speak with sinar,  speak with phase. speak with leaf or with zoerkendorfer or ask your friend around the corner to build you an adapter. and than there will soon be a solution which helps everybody in this game.  maybe i am too euphoric at this moment .... pls.  forgive me this.
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« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2008, 10:57:57 pm »

I am very interested in this camera, but it looks like with all the different question here,
there is a lot to be answered.
Is there not a spec sheet  available where all basic questions are answered and explained?
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« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2008, 10:58:47 pm »

Rainer,
if you were a woman,I would marry you!
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« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2008, 11:08:34 pm »

Rainer,

Great post! Better to light a candle than curse the darkness! I'm glad you and Sinar got together to produce a very innovative solution for us architectural photographers.

Thierry,

Is this camera limited to DBs only, or will there be an adapter for 4x5 film? I assume the Sinar Hy6 film backs will be supported? And can we have a technical spec sheet and more pictures soon?

Cheers,
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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2008, 11:56:54 pm »

I suspect 3rd party companies like KaptureGroup will make a back adapter as soon as they can get their hands on one of these cameras  
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2008, 12:04:41 am »

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i am honestly somehow tired of blaming all day long the manufactories for what they should do and what they should not do.  its boring and my personal experience of working with companies isnt bad at all, at least my experience with sinar was and is simply great.  but working with a company means giving and getting, not only asking and criticizing.
so if you already know whats wrong, if you know what does not exist,- make it appear. its not such big thing with a mechanical mount ( maybe i am wrong herein .... someone who knows more about the technical specs will tell it soon, as i suppose ).
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That's indeed one way of looking at it.

If you need a piece of equipment bad enough and can afford to spend the time needed to make it happen, sure, why not doing it. I can only praise your dedication. I had started to discuss with Ebony on a similar project so I fully understand the excitement related to such a process.

Now, when an existing piece of gear basically exists, and could be made available to many more potential users by a simple extension, I am just saying that the manufacturer might as well go that small step further.

I would benefit from it like many other photographers, and my contention is that they would also benefit from it in terms of image and market share.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2008, 12:37:34 am »

Don't take this the wrong way, but do you think someone associated with the camera can write a bias review? It defiantly looks like a very nice camera, but the reality when you already own a Cambo Wide DS system seems like a costly jump. My ownly hope is for cambo to see what can be done.

The most interest news is the schneider 23mm lens with a 70 mm image circle. I hope this is made available to Cambo for the Wide DS.

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Of course you have an open invitation to write a hands on review of the camera for this site!

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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2008, 12:45:33 am »

The 23mm is a Rodenstock, as Rainer informs. And Cambo has always provided a mounting service, if it is physically possible. About $1000 per lens if I remember correctly.

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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2008, 12:59:19 am »

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That would be great news!

Cheers,
Bernard
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