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« Reply #1140 on: July 04, 2008, 02:58:22 am »

Hi,
One small not on HD tube TV's vs digital displays.
One thing first I'm not a fan of LCD's, Plasma (panasonic/pioneer) is a much better choice.

Remember that alot of HD CRT TV's are downsampling the 1080i signal to 576P to display it, Philips for example uses this technique.
It's nowhere mentioned in the manual but when looking at the service docs it's obvious.

I used a CRT projector for a long time to also view HD material and that one DID do 1080P, we switched to a JVC D-Ila HD100 (the new HD projector) and I prefer that one above any CRT (except the liquid coupled 9")

CRT is a wonderful technique for projection, for TV's in todays HD age I think plasma is an overall beter choice.
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« Reply #1141 on: July 04, 2008, 07:57:04 am »

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Simplify,

You can start by selling your P45+ and start shooting 8x10 negative film if that lovely creamy feel you seem to enjoy in Soth's work is what you are after. Now don't be surprised  when you see the film at 200% as we are used to doing so with digital cameras and then you start to question why there is not as much detail/info as Jim's nice shot of the train station. Digital just has that sterile(clinical) quality to it. This is the same as HDTVs versus HQ tube equivalents as they tend to show way too much info and the brightness level can be a eye sore at times.

Print it them both and that's another story. The 8x10 will just feel nicer not better these are just the properties of a Large Format film.
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I Love Alec Soth's work and have followed his photography since his first book. I love the blending of the 'traditional' genres of Landscape, Social doc and formal portraiture. (One of the best examples of mixing Landscape and documentary was Koudelka's CHAOS)

Technically he appears firmly rooted in the American 'school' of 8" x 10" colour neg, Sternfeld, Meyrowitz, Misrach.

I am currently shifting from shooting 8" x 10" to MFDB late in a project that's been running for 6 years. The prints are very large from both media and using high quality printing processes. Some aspects of the MFDB files are smoother and 'creamier' than the 8X10 but others fall down, particularly when trying to  sharpen evenly and naturally across areas of complex detail. In 8 x 10 you always have that layer of film grain to 'fall back on'. When an MFDB file starts breaking up  on a large print (from long exposure noise usually) it's hard to recover...

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« Reply #1142 on: July 04, 2008, 08:22:54 am »

Thanks for the comments on the train station.  Please don't get me wrong, I like the Soth photographs, it's just hard for me to get by the subject matter.  Personally, I prefer more graphic compositions, attached is a shot taken the same morning as the Michigan Central picture.  Also, keep in mind that these photographs are imaged to look the way they do.  Usually I'll work off of the basic color scheme and enhance from there.  Jim


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« Reply #1143 on: July 04, 2008, 09:36:58 am »

Upon review of the Michigan Central Station image, I agree with Simplify, it got a little overcooked. Here's another look at it.  Jim


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« Reply #1144 on: July 04, 2008, 10:52:16 am »

That has made some difference!... I can connect with the second image so much more fundementely (gave up on trying to spell that apologies)

I would be interested in knowing what lens you used to capture that image Jim ... is it two 35mms stitched together?

Thanks and regards

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« Reply #1145 on: July 04, 2008, 11:33:18 am »

Ros, The shot was taken with the Mamiya 28mm and a P45.  Glad you like it better!  Jim
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« Reply #1146 on: July 04, 2008, 01:10:00 pm »

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Ros, The shot was taken with the Mamiya 28mm and a P45.  Glad you like it better!  Jim
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I hate to do this, but I like the image a lot, and wanted to show you my version.  The sky is not as nice but I like the neutral look in the building and grass.
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« Reply #1147 on: July 05, 2008, 01:23:49 am »

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Simplify,

You can start by selling your P45+ and start shooting 8x10 negative film if that lovely creamy feel you seem to enjoy in Soth's work is what you are after. Now don't be surprised  when you see the film at 200% as we are used to doing so with digital cameras and then you start to question why there is not as much detail/info as Jim's nice shot of the train station. Digital just has that sterile(clinical) quality to it. This is the same as HDTVs versus HQ tube equivalents as they tend to show way too much info and the brightness level can be a eye sore at times.

Print it them both and that's another story. The 8x10 will just feel nicer not better these are just the properties of a Large Format film.
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Oscar, to some point I agree with you, digital seems to have too much information or better put it seems less messed up in the way it records information.

I think that's where a lot of us see dgital as more clinical, then again I think some of our asthetics are changing.

Read any forum about photography and somebody will always bring up noise.  Now go scan any film in any format pushed a stop and look at the shadow "noise" and l if it was a digital capture it would get raked over the coals.

I can't. won't comment on Alec Soth's work, other than to say I like a lot of it and it's his or anyone's choice to shoot with any camera they see fit.

Then again, I know through a lot of experimentation that with some work, almost any decent digital capture can be made to emulate almost any film.  Whether that work is worth the effort or not is up to artist.

But can you tell me of these  images which is digital and which is film?






You know me and might be able to, but for the people that hire me, it's never been a thought what film, digital, camera or format I shot with.

At least not in the hiring stage.  

JR

P.S.  For the record, I love the Detriot train station shot, both variations.
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« Reply #1148 on: July 05, 2008, 01:36:40 am »

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Upon review of the Michigan Central Station image, I agree with Simplify, it got a little overcooked. Here's another look at it.  Jim
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Hi
Great shot!! On a second note how are you finding the 28 mm Mamiya lens?
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« Reply #1149 on: July 05, 2008, 04:00:07 pm »

Denis, I use the lens all the time, both in my automotive work and my architecture.  It exhibits a little barrel distortion (generally fixed in ImageAlign, slider at 14) and the edges are not perfectly sharp.  Those issues really aren't a problem for me and honestly, I don't know what I'd use in it's place.  Jim
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« Reply #1150 on: July 06, 2008, 02:24:02 am »

Jim ,
Are you using Image Align also for perspective correction ?
It looks like this application from Grasshopper is dicontinued ....
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« Reply #1151 on: July 06, 2008, 06:11:47 am »

Two pics of my recent self promotion project, use a 6008 and SA40/3.5
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« Reply #1152 on: July 06, 2008, 06:14:16 am »

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Two pics of my recent self promotion project, use a 6008 and SA40/3.5
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Very cool shots, love the second one.
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« Reply #1153 on: July 06, 2008, 07:03:55 am »

Wardsboro, Vermont, about 20 minutes from my weekend home. Very early on July 4, but ready for the parade.
Hasselblad H3D-39. 50-110 Zoom at 50mm.
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« Reply #1154 on: July 06, 2008, 08:35:40 am »

The Val d'Orcia in Tuscany on June 8, 2008. This was taken at 5:20 AM, standing in a field with 6" of clay-based mud after several days of rain. A  breathtaking place to be at sunrise.
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« Reply #1155 on: July 06, 2008, 09:20:59 am »

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The Val d'Orcia in Tuscany on June 8, 2008. This was taken at 5:20 AM, standing in a field with 6" of clay-based mud after several days of rain. A  breathtaking place to be at sunrise.
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Worth at least 18 inches, I'd say  
Wonderful picture!

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« Reply #1156 on: July 06, 2008, 10:51:44 am »

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Mamiya 645 afdII, P30+,  105-210mm @ 210mm, f/32, 2 second exposure, 100 iso. Used a Singh-Ray blue and gold polarizer for the color. Fog and light rain making everything flat and gray.
This was at Bridal Veil Falls in the Columbia River Gorge, Oregon, last Sunday morning.

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Love that polarizer but have not used it for a while. Got to get it out of the bag!

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« Reply #1157 on: July 06, 2008, 11:18:03 am »

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Jim ,
Are you using Image Align also for perspective correction ?
It looks like this application from Grasshopper is dicontinued ....
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Jann, I use PS3 for perspective control and ImageAlign for barrel distortion correction.  Unfortunately, the software is no longer available and so far I've found nothing that does quite the same thing.  Jim
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« Reply #1158 on: July 06, 2008, 04:58:11 pm »

Hi all!

Just a couple of words about myself - I'm an amateur photographer owning a 5D.
This weekend I decided to try out the Mamiya ZD camera in order to see this
mystic 3D look myself, coming out from medium format cameras.

Edit: I'm pretty serious about photography, this is not a joke.

The start was somehow confusing, the camera felt really slow. As I used the
Mamiya ZD for the first time I had no idea what is the output, I couln't get any
feedback from the camera. But when I got back to home, I was speechless
looking at the images. They were great .. very very great. What a camera!

one light, LR cold tone only applied + couple of dustspots removed -


no changes other than resize for the following snaps:






Cheers,
Ivar
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« Reply #1159 on: July 06, 2008, 07:51:58 pm »

First guess; the second one?

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Oscar, to some point I agree with you, digital seems to have too much information or better put it seems less messed up in the way it records information.

I think that's where a lot of us see dgital as more clinical, then again I think some of our asthetics are changing.

Read any forum about photography and somebody will always bring up noise.  Now go scan any film in any format pushed a stop and look at the shadow "noise" and l if it was a digital capture it would get raked over the coals.

I can't. won't comment on Alec Soth's work, other than to say I like a lot of it and it's his or anyone's choice to shoot with any camera they see fit.

Then again, I know through a lot of experimentation that with some work, almost any decent digital capture can be made to emulate almost any film.  Whether that work is worth the effort or not is up to artist.

But can you tell me of these  images which is digital and which is film?

You know me and might be able to, but for the people that hire me, it's never been a thought what film, digital, camera or format I shot with.

At least not in the hiring stage. 

JR

P.S.  For the record, I love the Detriot train station shot, both variations.
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