Recent Works

[James R Russell]

Frank,

Everytime you post that eyeball you scare me.

JR

[203]

@203,
Downconversion to the web makes the pictures look like sh*t to be honest.
On the originals there is ALOT of detail in the skin and they are not oversharpened.

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I look at hundreds of images on the web every day, obviously they've all been resized, and not all of them look like they've been gone over with a heavy duty air brush. Many of these look odd to me.

Just my opinion.

[Chris Livsey]

Frank

Love the work and always look fwd. to seeing more.
One comment, not a critique    Image 3 looks odd being portrait but with a 'blad notched film back frame, unless it's an 'in' joke.

2 is best for me with the hand shadow picking up on the top pattern but then I look at the lighting on 1 and 4. and wonder again.
Don't go the way of some others and stop posting please, it is appreciated, even if not always commented on.

[Frank Doorhof]

@James,
Scary isn't it
Just love the way the system captured this one.

@Chris,
Don't worry, I'm used to alot.
The blad frame is not intentional, did not notice it to be honest, to be honest I thought it looked like the framematerial of my own system but I must be wrong than, see it as in inside joke than
just playing arround with some frames.

@203,
Maybe it's my downsizing than, I know that on print I often get the request of the models if I could do it maybe one notch more, which is declined, I hate the barbie look in print, but on the net I also find the files to lack detail but to be quite honest I have simply accepted that.
I did see some files that had nice detail but when I saw the prints of those I was not so pleased, very uneven skin and in the end we all retouch for print I guess.

But I would love to see your work, I'm always curious about people that post what they do themselfs (no bad intentions).

[203]

But I would love to see your work,
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Sure, here are a few from my recent postings here (I'm sure you have seen a few of them)

[a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26025&view=findpost&p=202580]http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=202580[/url]

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=202593

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=202639

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=202633

And by the way Frank, my comment was not aimed at any one photographer here. It was a general observation.

[Snook]

@James,
Scary isn't it
Just love the way the system captured this one.

@Chris,
Don't worry, I'm used to alot.
The blad frame is not intentional, did not notice it to be honest, to be honest I thought it looked like the framematerial of my own system but I must be wrong than, see it as in inside joke than
just playing arround with some frames.

@203,
Maybe it's my downsizing than, I know that on print I often get the request of the models if I could do it maybe one notch more, which is declined, I hate the barbie look in print, but on the net I also find the files to lack detail but to be quite honest I have simply accepted that.
I did see some files that had nice detail but when I saw the prints of those I was not so pleased, very uneven skin and in the end we all retouch for print I guess.

But I would love to see your work, I'm always curious about people that post what they do themselfs (no bad intentions).
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Frank two things..
One is good job you finally tried out some new lighting...:+] Looks good
You were getting stuck on that octo and using just it...
The other is.

Not to push your buttons but you should not blame the web-sizing downsizing or what ever you blamed it on... You OVER retouching your skin.. which is cool if that is the look your looking for, Just don't blame it on web-sizing.. It is really obvious you a little out of control on your skin smoothing.. in all your pictures.
Has nothing to do with downsizing.
Just had to point that out as I have seen you blame it on websizing and has nothing to do with that..:+}
Snook


Frank the crop you show has not been retouched and as you said is over sharpened..
I am a professional retoucher also so I know skin blurring when I see it.
Again the crop you showed has not been hit with the or Kodak Air brush plug-in or some kind of De-noise, medium , etc..etc.. how ever you want to skin the cat , it has nothing to do with the websize...
:+}
Just want to be clear...

[Frank Doorhof]

@203,
of course I could have looked better
No harm done, I'm not someone looking for a problem in every comment.

@snook,
Maybe it's my style than but the crop I showed does show more than enough detail I guess.... ?
That is appr. what is used before downsizing.
Sometimes a bit more sometimes less, depending on the model.

As you can see with the samples from 203 they are much larger than what I post so more detail is saved.
But there is always discussion about skinsmooth and when I look at some magazines it's frighting when it looks like there is no pore left in the face on a A4 size.

Again I don't say I don't process the skin, and for some maybe too much but that's what I like, if the client says natural we do it natural if the client says over the top, yes sir. My PERSONAL taste is still seeing pores but hanging towards surrealisme/airbrush.

But again it's all personal taste, there is no overdoing something I think, there is a personal taste, in art you can't be wrong I think.

About light, please visit www.frankdoorhof.com/portfolio I think that shows a lot of different lightsetups, but I do use alot of softlights that is true

[SecondFocus]

I have seen some of Frank's images as prints, probably 13x19 I guess, and I will say that there is a lot more skin detail in his prints than does appear in these online examples.

[Markpark]

why don't you show them a 100% crop of the shoulder of that last #5 picture Frank.. that's probably more usefull than a crop of a diffrent photo.

Isn't there a way to retouch the images in a way they look good on the web as well? I mean.. if you find the web images not 100% show the way you really think the images are.. isn't that something you want to do something about? You might miss out on customers/girls who think it's too smooth

[Frank Doorhof]

I have to take another one than, the last picture used a very wide aperture so showing the shoulder would be totally oof

This is the avarage work I do on the skin (99% of the work)
I also used alien skin exposure 2 on this file to add some "feel"



and here the original webversion:

[Henry Goh]

Personally, I think it is not for anyone to say a photographer's work is over retouched or not.  The right party to say this will be his clients, the pay-master.  No other party whether photographer nor retoucher is qualified.

[HarperPhotos]

Personally, I think it is not for anyone to say a photographer's work is over retouched or not.  The right party to say this will be his clients, the pay-master.  No other party whether photographer nor retoucher is qualified.
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Gidday,

I totally agree with you Henry.

That's why I stopped putting up my beauty shots up on this site as I was getting pissed off by the purest police


Cheers

Simon

[Frank Doorhof]

Well let's also post some landscape than:
whole album from our LA trip can be seen here: http://www.htforum.nl/fotofrank/thumbnails.php?album=53
With much more than landscapes.

[Jeremy Roussak]

Well let's also post some landscape than:
whole album from our LA trip can be seen here: http://www.htforum.nl/fotofrank/thumbnails.php?album=53
With much more than landscapes.


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I love this one (apart from banding in the sky, which I assume is either a jpeg artifact or the horrible monitor I'm using at the moment). I wonder if it might look even better in B&W...

Jeremy

[203]

Personally, I think it is not for anyone to say a photographer's work is over retouched or not.  The right party to say this will be his clients, the pay-master.  No other party whether photographer nor retoucher is qualified.
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Hey Henry!
I am glad when someone whose opinion I respect points out something odd about my images...then i can chose to take their advice, or not. No harm done. After all, if the members here are in no position to say what is wrong about an image, then logically they must not be in a position to say what's right about it either.

So,why would someone post a picture here in the first place? Do they want everyone to look in silence? Do they welcome praise, but not critique?

[Henry Goh]

Hey Henry!
I am glad when someone whose opinion I respect points out something odd about my images...then i can chose to take their advice, or not. No harm done. After all, if the members here are in no position to say what is wrong about an image, then logically they must not be in a position to say what's right about it either.

So,why would someone post a picture here in the first place? Do they want everyone to look in silence? Do they welcome praise, but not critique?
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Hello Ron,

There is an artful way and a crude way in saying things.  Unfortunately, most comments in a forum like this can sound down right crude and also rude.  It may not be intended and it may also due to differences in cultures.  However, IMHO one should always be respectful and thankful for having the opportunity to view works by others, be they good or poor works.

I have always valued your postings, ever since you shared your opinions and findings  of the EOS 5D.  The samples you have provided were excellent and useful to me.  However, I also witnessed people nitpicking on those images perhaps they just felt it was their right to do so.  Some also sounded crude.  I wished then also that they had  just thank you and be on their way.

Do continue to share your images from the 1Ds MKIII, which I find to be a pleasurable tool  

[203]

Do continue to share your images from the 1Ds MKIII, which I find to be a pleasurable tool 
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Indeed I will.
And just for the record, I think saying someone's retouching is over the top, is one of the least critical things that could be said about an image.
If the only critique I ever got was about retouching, then I would assume I was in pretty good shape ;-)

Out of curiosity Frank, why do you put the Elinchrom logo on your images?

[SecondFocus]

I hope we can get back to the original idea of this thread and that was just for posting MFDB photos with some information. That it is what has made it so successful.

Although there have been a number of exchanges, the critiques and arguments have been held down to a minimum.

So I hope that we can keep it to that intent. It has really separated this thread and forum out from the many useless threads on forums that pop up way too often.

[Snook]

Hey Henry!
I am glad when someone whose opinion I respect points out something odd about my images...then i can chose to take their advice, or not. No harm done. After all, if the members here are in no position to say what is wrong about an image, then logically they must not be in a position to say what's right about it either.

So,why would someone post a picture here in the first place? Do they want everyone to look in silence? Do they welcome praise, but not critique?
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Agree with you 100% 203..
This is a thread to show what people and what quality's are coming out of their cameras...:+}
Not a gallery of Pictures.
Also I was totally turned off from the leaf b/c all the post Frank posted, you could see that over plasticy skin in his images, which is Fine.....!
Just wanted to see if it was over retouched like I thought or if it was a tendancy of the Leaf system to give that smooth look much like the Fuji F30 did and does... Which I love for the point and shoot, Not for 15,000$ back..:+}
Now when Frank several times has said there is not retouching or skin smoothing goin on it is just the websize...
Then why when I look at 1000's of internet pictures a a day none seem to have the same effect.?

Just wanted to make sure that no-body get's confused between Over retocuhed and Websizing..
That is all...
Also showing a Close up that has not been overly retouched and saying it is the same as the Obvious overly smoothed out skin from another picture is another story!

That is why in an earlier post I posted an image with the SAME image cropped 100% to show the skin.
Again I will say, that many times the girls,I shoot many times, have such bad skin that there is no other option than to get heavy with the hand in retouching..

Not trying to knock naybody just want to get the story straight as to what frank is saying is websizing and what is very smoothed out skin from Photoshop or the likes, Not the camera, back or anything else!
You Got it..:+}
Snook

[Frank Doorhof]

Hi,
It all depends on the poster and the way it's read.
I have made some comments on someones posts that he took the complete wrong way and even called me an A*hole.
I told him it was all in good intention and it was just meant to help him improve, better I did not do that because he became more angry....

After carefully rereading my posts I really could not figure out what was wrong and I decided to let it go.

It's sometimes the disadvantage of the written word, you can't look someone in the eye, and some people are terrible at posting things.

I always read with the idea of the best intentions of the poster, and if it's really rude I let it go, IF I respond it's to tell MY side of the story and that's in my opinion were a forum is for, and in photography you can't be wrong unless you post technical wrong pictures. There is always a matter of personal taste.
I always read what people think about my work and will defend my work of course when needed, and show by crops or other examples what is going on.
It's not really defending to show, but I think that's what keeps a forum going.

On the Elinchrom logo, Elinchrom does ALOT for me and supports me in the workshops I teach where ever I am in the world, so it's the least I can do, they don't pay me for it, it's my own choice.