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« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2007, 08:37:50 am »

Anyone wondering were digital is now Vs film for architecture, consider this:

http://www.viewpictures.co.uk

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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2007, 10:29:06 am »

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Anyone wondering were digital is now Vs film for architecture, consider this:

http://www.viewpictures.co.uk

Yair
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At viewpictures.com there is a lot of pictures, but:
You can order transparencies!
There are some digital produced pictures, but most of them are not.

So what did you mean, yaya??

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« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2007, 10:43:27 am »

What I meant is that some of the people who own this organization use digital and on the day mentioned there will be digital equipment available for testing and reps for discussing the various options and issues.

Yair


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At viewpictures.com there is a lot of pictures, but:
You can order transparencies!
There are some digital produced pictures, but most of them are not.

So what did you mean, yaya??

Michael
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« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2007, 01:35:55 pm »

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Danijela, It my image. The photographer should read photographed  it is the 24xl.
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I am sorry but It's been a long, long day. As I was writing my answer to you, somehow our fellow photographer Michael's
phrase about his friend testing 24XL & 28HR was most probably still on my mind.


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What you see in the middle window is light reflecting off the window that did not get fixed in post, not the lens.
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Personally I don't think so, but considering your fair intention I'll take your word for it.


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I am also thinking of getting the 28HR to have a lens that falls between the 24xl and 35xl.
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Honestly, there is not much to think about. In my opinion 28HR deserves attention. I just hope it's not too bulky on the ALPA 12 SWA.


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I am also looking at getting the 60hr, but cambo told me I would only have 6mm shift with this lens or have my Schneider 58xl lens converted to fit the cambo. I need something longer then the 47xl and the 72 xl is a big jump in mm. I really like 24 xl but it starts to get soft past F8 - F11
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Originally I was looking at 58XL but soon found out it is designed for analog only, then my interest was inclined more towards 60HR, but the dealer told me the image circle is small so I presume he meant you can't shift with 60HR that much.


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I need something longer then the 47xl and the 72 xl is a big jump in mm. I really like 24 xl but it starts to get soft past F8 - F11
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Perhaps somebody on the forum already owns 60HR and would like to step forward, Please?


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shot with 24xl lens
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John,

I  believe you &  I'll be frank,

When in post-production: If you don't regard discipline as your best friend in every respect, you can turn 24XL in to Canon 14mm in a blink of a moment.

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« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2007, 01:54:07 pm »

When they say that 58XL is made for film, in my view I instantly think bigger Image circle,
and when they say it is made for digital I instantly think smaller image circle.

I'm sure there must be something else that I'm missing?


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« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2007, 01:57:55 pm »

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When they say that 58XL is made for film, in my view I instantly think bigger Image circle,
and when they say it is made for digital I instantly think smaller image circle.

I'm sure there must be something else that I'm missing?
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Danijela
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i own the 60HR aside the 35HR and the 28HR. all three are outstanding.
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« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2007, 02:13:23 pm »

I have used the 58xl on my view camera with the Leaf Aptus back. It was not a very detailed shot but did look good.

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When they say that 58XL is made for film, in my view I instantly think bigger Image circle,
and when they say it is made for digital I instantly think smaller image circle.

I'm sure there must be something else that I'm missing?
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Danijela
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« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2007, 04:29:04 pm »

Picture of the 28HR.
Weighs in at 875 grams,the 24XL is 305 grams.
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« Reply #88 on: February 14, 2007, 04:39:01 pm »

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Hi,

I am one of the 90% architectural photographer using film...
and I am sure I will change to digital when I can see more advantages than now.
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Hi Michael H,

Did you try the new QuadStitch 4 by 5 View Camera Sliding Back Adapter by Kapture Group, any thoughts?


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I don`t like to carry my 50kg Linhof 5/7 inch around, but I also don`t like to spend night after night trying to find solutions for problems I still
don`t have (Color Cast, Moiré, Centerfold, Software problems and so on.).
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The same here. This is why I decided to go with ALPA 12SWA, not much shifting but a lot easier mobility. I was originally thinking
Ebony as a first choice and than Sinar or Linhof, but as soon as I tried ALPA I said this is dead simple and small, and as I said
before a bit like Leica of Medium format. I can also see my self going for the view camera later, but not now for sure.

Big question is which one?


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Today the wide angel lenses on 4/5inch are wider than the digital lenses (a 47XL is equ. to a 18mm), and there are still movements.
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If I am not mistaken I heard that the Schneider 47XL is optimized for Film/Digital, but of coarse the size of the 4x5 film makes a difference I guess as well.

I remember,

A year a go, I was visiting Robert White UK and purchased few biscuits, but then by just talking to him about the Schneider FINE ART XXL Lenses, I was so impressed that I can't confront LF photographers, I can only join them. However, you do need a good scanner though.

Of course it is expensive and not worth for everyone, but I know I can't just ignore it as long  as it's there.


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I know the results of Rainers digital work, and I really like his technical perfection...
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Raniar's body of work is nothing less then pure quality, simply outstanding !!!

[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']It Screams PERFECTION !!![/span]


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but I don`t think that the products of the photographic
industry are already ready.
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That is my concern also, but what concerns me even more is that they are even going forward pursuing new endeavours while consciously leaving design flaws behind them like they never existed and ruthlessly hoping to gain customers favour, a bit arrogant for my taste.


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I would like to make good pictures...digital or not
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That is what is all about.


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« Reply #89 on: February 14, 2007, 05:22:55 pm »

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hi Danijela,

Sinar

We do have what we call Capturehshop "Help files", online

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Any Capturehshop VIDEO Help files online?


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We do have what we call Capturehshop "Help files", online, which are installed with the CS softwares: I can send you the latest version of Captureshop, which is anyway FOC and the "Help" installer: do you have a FTP server or somewhere to upload? Or else, contact me offline and I shall give you access to my personal FTP server.

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I don't have FTP Server yet, but I'm happy to contact you off-line.


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Brumbaer Tools

I don't know if Stefan has a DVD Tutorial, but here is homepage (if you dont have it yet):

[a href=\"http://www.brumbaer.com/Tools/Tools.html]http://www.brumbaer.com/Tools/Tools.html[/url]

Best,
Thierry
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What exactly are the Brumbaer Tools for, and how do they compare to CaptureShop? Advantage & Disadvantage, PLEASE!

Are his Tools going to become part of the Exposure Software?

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Danijela
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« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2007, 05:48:35 pm »

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Any Capturehshop VIDEO Help files online?
I don't have FTP Server yet, but I'm happy to contact you off-line.
What exactly are the Brumbaer Tools for, and how do they compare to CaptureShop? Advantage & Disadvantage, PLEASE!

Are his Tools going to become part of the Exposure Software?

Regards
Danijela
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the brumbaer tool is reducing the needs for a mf back software to its absolutely minimum, but delivering the optimum in quality. little bit like good valve amplifiers.....

1. it safes the raw files from the back to the hard disc, without converting them to any other format as *.mos or *.sti or whatever. so you can save the pure imager data for archiving.

the dng converter also reads and converts to dng the files written by capture shop,- also files from the 54H back ( but not so sophisticated till now ) as well as emotion 22+75 ( here it works "perfect").

2. it writes after that *.dng files, meanwhile the writing procedure is removed the centerfold stitch from the dalsa sensor ( a software code the leaf programmers havent wrote till now... greatings to yaya here :,- ). also it is possible - if desired - to calculate in the dng a white reference shot , similar as capture does with its lcc and leaf with its gain adjuster,- but in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure moise and other things.
the white references are used in the right moment in a batch, so you have not to care about them after you have shot them subsequently. thats a great workflow help for architectural use with shift cameras. with normal mf cameras usually one white reference is enough for all lenses, at least with my 5 contax and 4 hassy lenses it works with one reference.

two color profiles are used for the conversion and they are seamingless blended, a.e. you can take one profile ( made with a color checker ) with daylight and one profile with tungsten light and the dngconverter blends from one to the other profile, depending on the color temperature you have used meanwhile shooting.

it implements in the *.dng files highlight information, meanwhile other programms cut them out after a certain point, stephan is providing these informarions to the conversion program ( as lightroom or whatever ) in a form that it can recover highlights mostly perfect neutral. so it gains about 1 till 2 stops !!! compared to the files from other software /manfufactors .
thats an absolute great feature, you have not longer to care much about clouds and windows,- it works really impressive well.

there are several other little tools available from brumbaer.
one tool let you find to each *.ia file the corresponding *.br file. usefull for sinar owners, not worth to explain here...
one tool for tethered shooting. simple but functional.
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« Reply #91 on: February 14, 2007, 05:59:02 pm »

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I do sell Hasselblad, Leaf and Sinar.
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That is good for me to know. However, I tried to find your web and only found the PPR Digital Renting Equipment, perhaps
you can reply with the right web address.


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Hasselblad did have DVD tutorials, but it was some time ago, and now mostly out of date.
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Even though it's out-dated, I would appreciate if you could find a copy for me
and of course, I am not asking for FREE!


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We are working on Quicktime tutorials for each of these product lines right now, and hope to have them available soon.

Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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That is what would most of us appreciate to see, companies educating customers so that they waste less endurance deciding, and
it will be perfect because it will work both ways. Good example for everybody to follow your footsteps!

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« Reply #92 on: February 14, 2007, 06:19:09 pm »

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Anyone wondering were digital is now Vs film for architecture, consider this:

http://www.viewpictures.co.uk

Yair
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Shame, I just got from UK last week here in North America hoping to have
the system ready by 1 of March but I see it could easily turn in to a bit longer
and it's all mostly because of the Digital Back.

Perhaps, after the PMA.
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« Reply #93 on: February 14, 2007, 06:34:44 pm »

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix[/span]

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Phase One[/span] - I don't know anybody here from Phase, is there someone?

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]

Who is representing SINAR/HASSELBLAD/PHASE/LEAF at the PMA? His/Her Contact would be appreciated so that we have all the adapters prepared and ready. I am planing to have my system in time so I can test e75,H3D 39/P45+/Aptus75 with ALPA and 24XL or 28HR but in truth with regards to lenses it looks more like the 28HR is the one.

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« Reply #94 on: February 14, 2007, 06:39:04 pm »

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At viewpictures.com there is a lot of pictures, but:
You can order transparencies!
There are some digital produced pictures, but most of them are not.

So what did you mean, yaya??

Michael
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from the viewpicture page...:
"VIEW is holding an open day for new and existing photographers on Thursday 22nd February 2007 between 12pm and 6pm.

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There will be a Property Release expert on hand to answer questions, and two digital retailers (Leaf and Teamwork) to showcase the latest digital camera equipment and techniques."

Yair..i assume you will be there..i was going to go but unfortunately will be in switzerland on a shoot (not that unfortunately!!) so won't be able to make it...i'll get in touch with you in the future when I'm looking for a db..still shooting film for now for the larger stuff.

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« Reply #95 on: February 14, 2007, 06:46:32 pm »

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What I meant is that some of the people who own this organization use digital and on the day mentioned there will be digital equipment available for testing and reps for discussing the various options and issues.

Yair
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Hi Yair,

Is that gathering something they do have once a year or...?
 
I will be in London UK on 26th  of March
 
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« Reply #96 on: February 14, 2007, 06:51:26 pm »

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Hi Yair,

Is that gathering something they do have once a year or...?
 
I will be in London UK on 26th  of March
 
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Danijela
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Danijela..you can contact view pictures directly regarding the event.

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« Reply #97 on: February 14, 2007, 07:01:38 pm »

I am not sure if anybody interested in ALPA has experienced dealers
tendency towards Schneider Lenses, I am not complaining I know
Schneider Lenses are good but what is the deal here if I prefer
Rodenstock and they keep pushing for Schneider?

Is there a better returning policy? or... more profit, what is the deal?

Is it only me or you guys have felt the same way about it?

By the away I know they have tendency towards Leaf Backs also, but for me
bottom line is less cables with Leaf then P45, but then less cables with H3D/e75 also.


At least I am happy to be in time for PMA which is much better opportunity for me
at this point.

Regards
Danijela
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« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2007, 10:46:07 pm »

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I have used the 58xl on my view camera with the Leaf Aptus back. It was not a very detailed shot but did look good.
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Are we taking about rendition or lack of resolution, what excatly do you find missing when used with digital?

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« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2007, 11:00:09 pm »

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Picture of the 28HR.
Weighs in at 875 grams,the 24XL is 305 grams.
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Hi William,

I must say 24XL looks like a jewel and probably better on ALPA 12SWA but 28HR is one serious lens.

I will probably go with 28HR, but what about 35XL any thoughts?

Thank you

Regards
Danijela
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