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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: rueyloon on February 10, 2007, 01:04:20 am
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I'm at the point where I'm considering gunning for the next stage of my career and trying to leap over to the bigger players. I have a kodak pro back, but it is too limiting and I do corporate work which includes much "standard" photography such as architecture, landscape, buildings, cars, people etc etc.. but I do want to move into architecture photography in a bigger way.
I feel when I'm doing an architecture shoot, it mirrors alot of my personal work as it involves alot of walking around, looking and waiting for the right light.
My current plan is to sell the proback and get either a p21 or aptus 17, and use it on a truwide with nikkor lenses. I do have an arca swiss 69, but I can't afford going for the digitar lenses.
I've read that there are some backs which are unsuitable for use with shifting lenses, which are these ? I know the p30 is one of them.
The local currency is about 1.5x that of the USD hence everything to me is about 50% more than what you guys experience.
I'm now using a canon/5D and a Mamiya/proback system.
If cost is going to be a big factor, I might sell the whole mamiya set just to get a digital back for architecture and let the 5D take care of the rest.
I have another section in my company which deals with weddings photography, hence I'll still be keeping the 5D for that.
I hope you guys will share your views and advice on this.
thanks
cheers
rgs
rueyloon
http://www.rueyloon.com (http://www.rueyloon.com)
http://www.36frames.com (http://www.36frames.com)
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When you want to use the 85PC, do not get the Aptus17. All 85's give hotspots and lightrings at least they do on my Aptus17. My Valeo11 did not have this problem so apparently not all Leaf backs have this problem.
I have now tested several 85's (loaned them from Nikon). All of them showed this phenomena (some more than others). According to Nikon this has to do with the coating on the sensor. Apparently the D2x suffers of this as well but in a way lesser form.
You could make custom gain files for all different shifts and tilts to address this problem in post but it will be another step in your workflow.
A friend of mine used the truewide with an Imacon 132 and he did not have this problem.
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the lenses I'll get will be the 28mm nikkor and the 35mm nikkor PC lenses.
as I've read, leaf is the one with the center fold issue, and phase one is the one with the color cast issue. Anything else I need to know ?
I read on the kapturegroup website that the truewide might not function properly at shutter speed highter than 1/30s, any real experience with this issue ?
cheers
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the lenses I'll get will be the 28mm nikkor and the 35mm nikkor PC lenses.
as I've read, leaf is the one with the center fold issue, and phase one is the one with the color cast issue. Anything else I need to know ?
I read on the kapturegroup website that the truewide might not function properly at shutter speed highter than 1/30s, any real experience with this issue ?
cheers
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They have it on their site but I have never experienced this problem. I have used the thing both in the studio as well as in the 'field'. Not once has this occurred with shutter speeds above 1/30.
I would definitely recommend the Zeiss ZF lenses with the truewide. Totally awesome, no movements though. None of my Hasselblad lenses even comes close to the quality of the ZF's (these include the 100/3.5 as well as the 120Macro).
The Leaf centerfold issue has been reported in the 75 most of the time, I have rarely heard it with the 17, 22 or the 65.
The coating of the 17 apparently gives the light ring phenomena. I am not sure whether this is also the case with the 65. I would be happy to find out if I could borrow a 65 somewhere.
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the lenses I'll get will be the 28mm nikkor and the 35mm nikkor PC lenses.
as I've read, leaf is the one with the center fold issue, and phase one is the one with the color cast issue. Anything else I need to know ?
I read on the kapturegroup website that the truewide might not function properly at shutter speed highter than 1/30s, any real experience with this issue ?
cheers
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I cannot speak about centrefold issues with other backs. All I can say is that the eMotion 22 or 75 don't have this particular problem. As for color casts, this is an issue with different causes, one of them beeing the sensor. Here the dalsa sensors are ways better, but not completely free of it, depending on the situation. However, it can be corrected with so-called "White References" during the shoot and corrected in the software: that's what can be done with the eMotions when using Captureshop or then the Brumbaer tools from Stefan Hess. It not only corrects color casts by applying automatically the right "White Reference", but also recovers highlights (between 1 and 2 f-stops) and writes dng files which can be then processed in any dng soft.
All the best,
Thierry
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I can also add since I just went thru this that the P21 has micro lense like the P30 and doesn't do well with shift lens. On the other hand being able to use C1 Pro alone was a huge reason for me choosing the P30. I would suggest if you're thinking serious architecture the only real solution for a reasonable amount of money is a used Phase One P25. It has a 1.1 crop factor so your wides are still wides and takes shift lens with no or alot less problems. I've seen them go for as little as $12,500.00 USD used. They are a great back just don't use them above ISO 200.
Hope this helps in your hunt.
Regards,
Ben Edmonson
www.benedmonson.com
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with the p25 you have also to know that you have to use the lcc method from c1. this means more or less the same than you should do with the newer dalsa sensors as well, its to shoot some opalglass before every new image if you change the shift position, at least with wideangles. as far i know the lense casts have little or nothing to do with microlenses, but with the specific sensor design from kodak. so all kodak sensors starting with the kodak 16mp back, their 35mm 14n and slr cameras, the phase backs, imacon backs and sinar backs as long they used kodak sensors suffer from more or less strong casts with wideangles,- but not only than.
not a great deal if you know to handle it. better for shift lenses are in any case the dalsa sensors,
at least till 22mp resolution. they are nearly free of every casts even with shiftlenses.
the newer 33mp sensors ( used by sinar in the e75 and leaf in the a75+65 ) are more sensitive to this issue, so better to shoot white references than thierry suggest.
there is also a known issue with many leaf a75 ( + some a65 ) backs,the famous centerfold issue. there was a looooooong disussion here about that and its backgrounds ....:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....0&hl=centerfold (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=12760&hl=centerfold)
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How does the backs with micro lenses (p21 p30) effect the image ? Or is it just a misconception as described by rehnniar.
Then does the leaf backs fare better in this case ?
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Just a thought here but if you are looking for a solution strictly for architectural work, as you say you have your 5D for other work, is it imperative that you find a digital solution right now?
Any digital solution for architectural phootgraphy requires quite specialsed cameras / lenses / backs and so if this is something you are getting into, may it not make more sense to start with a film based large format system.
This will give you much more flexibility in terms of lenses, cameras, movements, etc for a much smaller outlay than on a digital system.
Of course if financially it make sense to put togteher a digital architectural system then great but I think it is imperative to put together the right system and not a cobbled together one due to financial reasons.
Marc
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Sorry I should also say, is the truwide the best solution of that type as it requires shift lenses.
cameras from silvestrti for example allow you to mount nikon lenses but the back moves meaning you get shift with all lenses and so do not need specific shift lenses.
http://www.silvestricamera.it/eng/prodotti...NK/Bicam_NK.htm (http://www.silvestricamera.it/eng/prodotti_eng/Bicam_NK/Bicam_NK.htm)
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Sorry I should also say, is the truwide the best solution of that type as it requires shift lenses.
cameras from silvestrti for example allow you to mount nikon lenses but the back moves meaning you get shift with all lenses and so do not need specific shift lenses.
http://www.silvestricamera.it/eng/prodotti...NK/Bicam_NK.htm (http://www.silvestricamera.it/eng/prodotti_eng/Bicam_NK/Bicam_NK.htm)
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I would love to buy a Silvestri, now if they would only answer my emails.
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Dustbak..not sure where you are but in the U.K. contact either morco or linhofstudio.
Both carry the full silvestri systems, are really helpfull and positively help you to go to them and try out the silvestris.
Marc
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Dustbak..not sure where you are but in the U.K. contact either morco or linhofstudio.
Both carry the full silvestri systems, are really helpfull and positively help you to go to them and try out the silvestris.
Marc
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Marc,
See PM.
Thx!
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Sorry I should also say, is the truwide the best solution of that type as it requires shift lenses.
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I dont see why the true wide requires shift lenses
It just requres shift lenses to get shift !
If you see the difference
Morco faded away when I was considering a Silvetstri
My question was compatability with copal 3 for mazimum coverage
SMM
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with the p25 you have also to know that you have to use the lcc method from c1
. as far i know the lense casts have little or nothing to do with microlenses, but with the specific sensor design from kodak. so all kodak sensors starting with the kodak 16mp back, their 35mm 14n and slr cameras, the phase backs, imacon backs and sinar backs as long they used kodak sensors suffer from more or less strong casts with wideangles,- but not only than.
as said in my previous post, color casts have different origins and causes. Summarized, one can explain it like this:
- the microlenses sensors is one reason: this makes them not suitable for use on view cameras at all, and I would really no recommend it at all, if shift, tilts & swings are needed.
- a second reason are shifts with the light falling at a different angle on different areas of the sensor: this can be corrected with a white reference for the corresponding shift. Obviously this happens with all types of sensors.
- a third reason is the linear response of the sensor (or non-linear) to the light, from shadows to highlights: this is again sensor related, and in this Kodak sensors have a less linear response than Dalsa sensors, starting efectively with the 16 MPx models. This can also be correted by white references for EACH shot, when it happens.
Thierry
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as said in my previous post, color casts have different origins and causes. Summarized, one can explain it like this:
- the microlenses sensors is one reason: this makes them not suitable for use on view cameras at all, and I would really no recommend it at all, if shift, tilts & swings are needed.
- a second reason are shifts with the light falling at a different angle on different areas of the sensor: this can be corrected with a white reference for the corresponding shift. Obviously this happens with all types of sensors.
- a third reason is the linear response of the sensor (or non-linear) to the light, from shadows to highlights: this is again sensor related, and in this Kodak sensors have a less linear response than Dalsa sensors, starting efectively with the 16 MPx models. This can also be correted by white references for EACH shot, when it happens.
Thierry
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Hi Thierry,
I am new here and would like to ask you if the color cast is visible in B&W, and if the desired end result is in fact black and white, does it really matter at all?
If the question sounds a little boorish to anyone, pardon my impatience.
I am considering ALPA 12SWA with one of the DBs » __e75__HD3__P45+ and few lenses to start:
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5.6/47mm XL decentered
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5.6/24mm XL ____ or ____ Rodenstock Apo-Sironar 4.5/28mm
I was told that Leaf goes nicely with ALPA Cameras, mostly 70 to 80% of ALPA users purchased Leaf Back. However, considering the downfall of the Leaf system shortcomings I am avoiding it even though their representatives are more than happy to assist at any given time.
So my choices are H3D which I really like I have to admit that, and P45 which I can't say
much since I have not tried it and further more not many people are complaining.
One DB that I found publicly silent until the announcement of Hy6 is Sinar Models,
so the Sinar Hy6 concept better be good or else???. Reading through the threads of few customers I am happy to see that e75 supports all platforms with the appropriate adapter of course. However, I have failed to find one ALPA customer with one of the models, perhaps e75 which is the one I would consider.
Apparently all models with the exception of Leaf Aptus require more than one cable, how many? not sure.
Any info would be highly appreciated, perhaps one of your customers would be of great help. PLEASE, `NO SALESMANS`
On the account of the lenses;
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5.6/24mm XL ____ or ____ Rodenstock Apo-Sironar 4.5/28mm
I was told that Schneider Apo-Digitar 5.6/24mm XL is more designed for Landscapes & has a bigger Image Circle, and Rodenstock Apo-Sironar 4.5/28mm is designed more for table top, so which one?. The price difference is enough for me to go for Apo-Digitar 5.6/24mm XL if the performance of the Rodenstock’s Apo-Sironar 4.5/28mm is not apparent to justify the price difference.
Any thoughts on Lenses would be of great help too, because I would like to receive the Alpa System including the digital back, adapters, etc. by the 1st of March.
Anyone using distance Laser Meter by BOSCH, LEICA, HILTTI ?
This turned in to a rather more than one question, but what can I do since the total cost is a little more then few bags of money.
Thank You for your patience.
Ciao
Danijela
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I was told that Leaf goes nicely with ALPA Cameras, mostly 70 to 80% of ALPA users purchased Leaf Back. However, considering the downfall of the Leaf system shortcomings I am avoiding it even though their representatives are more than happy to assist at any given time.
Danijela,
First I'd like to welcome you onto this board,
Sencond, respectfuly, before making any decision may I suggest that you test the Leaf system compared to the other 3, on an ALPA? I believe this will greatly help in uderstanding why the first part of your sentence is so true.
Please feel free to contact me on/ off line for any further clariffications.
Good luck!!!
Yair
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Danijela,
make sure you put the eMotion-75 on your testing list.
Cheers,
Willem.
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i am using the e75 together with a siimilar camera than the alpa12swa. its a gottschalt camera together with a set of sinar rodenstock HR and digital optics starting with 28mm.
works very good so far.
the 28hr is more expansive, but:
it allows you movements up or sidewards of app. 12mm,- so the image circle of the optic is somehow bigger than the 24xl.
it has less fall-off so you can work without centerfilter, with the 24xk you should use a cf.
the 28hr is sharp till the edges even at f4, the 24xl wants too be stopped down 2stops for best performance.
the color casts should not have effect if you work in b+w,
i think they are not strong enough to change the luminance significant.
some additional advices for testing, sure there are many more....
shoot some images where saturated blue sky is in the image to see cf issues.
shoot one image with a neutral grey wall to see color shifts.
take care you have enough time to learn how to handle the backs, esp. the conversions,- otherwise it might be difficult to have anything said by your test.
with phase you should use in any case their LCC method. same with sinar and leaf with white references. try with sinar for on location shots the brumbaer software also.
make sure that you will get the SAME back which you tested if you decide to buy it.
the things are not going all about quality, so if one back is good does not mean that the next is also the same. esp. with the cf issue you may have luck with one back but you might not have luck with another for system immanent sensor tolerances.
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Hi Thierry,
I am new here and would like to ask you if the color cast is visible in B&W, and if the desired end result is in fact black and white, does it really matter at all?
I am considering ALPA 12SWA with one of the DBs » __e75__HD3__P45+ and few lenses to start:
One DB that I found publicly silent until the announcement of Hy6 is Sinar Models,
so the Sinar Hy6 concept better be good or else???. Reading through the threads of few customers I am happy to see that e75 supports all platforms with the appropriate adapter of course. However, I have failed to find one ALPA customer with one of the models, perhaps e75 which is the one I would consider.
Apparently all models with the exception of Leaf Aptus require more than one cable, how many? not sure.
Any info would be highly appreciated, perhaps one of your customers would be of great help. PLEASE, `NO SALESMANS`
Ciao
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
Thanks first to contact me and welcome as a new member here on this forum.
- I will not answer your questions about lenses: rehnniar has already done it here, and many others in this forum are certainly more qualified then myself for this. Fur sure, the Rodenstock 28 HR is a fantastic lens, allowing a lot of shifts and still absolutely shar in the edges, with a bigger image circle and without the need of a centre filter. As for the camera platform: I would recommend you to speak to rehnniar, since he has so much experience, with many systems tested and used already.
- Your question about color casts and centrefold effect: surely the effect in B&W won't be that disturbing and may even not be visible, depending on the degree and kind of color cast. Though, it might affect your image in the tonal values and give you different graduations rendition in certain parts of the subject, depending on the colours and saturations. This differences in tonal values might change the image from a one without colour cast, in BW: the difference might no be so big and acceptable, especially if you don't have the comparison with a reference B&W without the effect. Anyway, certainly not that disturbing as a real colour cast in a clour image.
- As for the centrefold effect: this is another story, since this effect, when it happens, will produce a fine line in your image,certainly well visible as well in B&W. You certainy don't want this in your image, so you would have to retouch it out.
I would recommend you to test carefully the way Rainer has explained in his post above (shoot saturated skies, shoot a neutral grey evenly lit background, etc ...)
- Annoucement of Sinar Hy6: I think there are a few treads here on LLF with all the information (technical and commercial) about the launch of this new camera by Sinar. Feel free to ask me more precise questions about it, if you don't find the answers you wish to have.
- Yes, the eMotion 75 can be adapted to all common MF platforms with the respective adapter, incl. the new Hy6: you certainly don't need to buy another back when changing the camera. system.
- No, Sinarbacks do no need more cables than any other model: it also uses only one sync cable when needed.
- as said, rehnniar (Rainer) is a very trustful person to speak about and get information, as well as rethmeier (Willem Rethmeier) here, or even others on this forum. If you need any other contacts, let me know and give me some time to send you contacts.
I hope this answers in an understandable way.
Thanks and all the best,
Thierry
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... and here some additional information about the technical differences and facts between 33 MPx Dalsa and 39 MPx sensors: I was thinking that it might interest a lot of you here. See attachment.
Thierry
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hello
hi, guys I still need some word on which back can work properly for architecture taking into account that shifting is involved.
as explained by others, I'm now considering ditching the phase one out of my list. I'm including the leaf aptus 28 in my list after trading in my proback I might be able to fit it in my budget.
which backs can work properly with least headache ?
sorry I can't really consider the Sinar as support here isn't as good as phaseone or leaf.
I'm meeting phase one on monday and maybe leaf on tuesday or wed.
cheers
edit : I'll have to say, Sinar is distributed by a smaller outfit here, hence is it more of a perceived customer service than real experience.
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I'm including the leaf aptus 28 in my list after trading in my proback I might be able to fit it in my budget.
I assume that you mean Aptus 22, as there isn't a 28.
Note that despite popular legend, both Phase and Aptus 22 and 75 backs all may require colour cast correction when used with wide angle lenses and shifts.
The phase software has better integrated software for colour cast correction than leaf (at least it has in the current version), but on the downside, it may need more correction than with the leaf which in some circumstances (very wide lenses like 24XL) may mean that the aptus remains a better choice.
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I assume that you mean Aptus 22, as there isn't a 28.
Note that despite popular legend, both Phase and Aptus 22 and 75 backs all may require colour cast correction when used with wide angle lenses and shifts.
The phase software has better integrated software for colour cast correction than leaf (at least it has in the current version), but on the downside, it may need more correction than with the leaf which in some circumstances (very wide lenses like 24XL) may mean that the aptus remains a better choice.
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I mean the 28mp back the aptus 65
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Hi Thierry,
II am considering ALPA 12SWA with one of the DBs » __e75__HD3__P45+ and few lenses to start:
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5.6/47mm XL decentered
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5.6/24mm XL ____ or ____ Rodenstock Apo-Sironar 4.5/28mm
Any thoughts on Lenses would be of great help too, because I would like to receive the Alpa System including the digital back, adapters, etc. by the 1st of March.
Ciao
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Dear Danijela,
I own and use the alpa12swa for 3,5 years with b&w film (a Rollex back), and for the last 2 years I use my Alpas (have added a TC) with an eMotion 22. I have an Apo- Helvetar 48mm (use it with film and digital), a Digitar 35mm, a Digitar 24mm. I agree that a 24mm Digitar is an extreme lens and suffers from colorcast with even limited shifts on an e22. With the brumbaer software an Alpa and an e22 is a joy to use on location, and I do not care about center filters anymore.
Yevgeny
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i am using the e75 together with a siimilar camera than the alpa12swa. its a gottschalt camera together with a set of sinar rodenstock HR and digital optics starting with 28mm.
works very good so far.
the 28hr is more expansive, but:
it allows you movements up or sidewards of app. 12mm,- so the image circle of the optic is somehow bigger than the 24xl.
it has less fall-off so you can work without centerfilter, with the 24xk you should use a cf.
the 28hr is sharp till the edges even at f4, the 24xl wants too be stopped down 2stops for best performance.
the color casts should not have effect if you work in b+w,
i think they are not strong enough to change the luminance significant.
some additional advices for testing, sure there are many more....
shoot some images where saturated blue sky is in the image to see cf issues.
shoot one image with a neutral grey wall to see color shifts.
take care you have enough time to learn how to handle the backs, esp. the conversions,- otherwise it might be difficult to have anything said by your test.
with phase you should use in any case their LCC method. same with sinar and leaf with white references. try with sinar for on location shots the brumbaer software also.
make sure that you will get the SAME back which you tested if you decide to buy it.
the things are not going all about quality, so if one back is good does not mean that the next is also the same. esp. with the cf issue you may have luck with one back but you might not have luck with another for system immanent sensor tolerances.
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I apologize if this is drifting off topic......
Rainer,
The 28HR from your description sounds like fascinating lens........I can't seem to find the right site for lens data. Do you have a link?
(BTW....your observations and remarks are costing alot shooters alot of money )
I have the 24xl...shooting on an A22 back. Center filter is not necessarily required when you use the Custom Gain Adjuster to remove color casts. There is a feature in the Leaf Custom Gain Adjuster utility that allows you to adjust for lens fall off from 0 to 100% in addition to correcting color casts as well as correcting CF issue. I recently did specific CF tests with an A75 using Schneider 24xl and the 35xl lenses. The easiest way to reveal the CF issue is to shoot a reference
file using white translucent acrylic (LCC method) with zero to maximum shifts applied to the lens being tested. It is a worth while test to confirm that the back manufacturer has a solution to address the CF issue and color cast issue (phase,sinar, & leaf..I think Hassy also has a solution for CC issue) before signing the big check and marrying the back manufacturer.
Currently, I am using a Leaf back and there are two Leaf solutions that address the CF issue that is evident in the Dalsa chips. If you use a non shifting lens camera and show no color casts, the Wide Angle Convertor utility will remove a CF issue (if present). If you use shifting lenses, the Custom Gain Adjuster utility is a better choice since it will remove both the CF and a color cast (if present).
Currently, these utilities are applied to raw mos files prior to processing (giving you the option to select Raw processor software of your choice). It is a workaround that adds time to post.....but since I am not processing the quantity of files as a fashion shooter might its not a big deal.
It would be nicer if the software worked more efficiently......but I am very happy with the hardware and the files that are produced by the Leaf software for my application.
Rainer, your custom gottshalt with a sliding back sounds like it is a wonderful camera for architectural or landscape shooting and it seems like it works very well with the sinar back and its interchangable plates.
A couple of questions if you don't mind.
Is it possible to use other backs that do not have an interchangable mounting and still be able to use a sliding back and be able to focus a Schneider 24xl @ infinity?
What is the longest exposure the e75 allows?
How are you able to compose axial elevation symmetrical shots without a geared movements?
If I understood your previous posts correctly, the gottshalt front panel moves in all directions and is locked by one knob. How do you make micro adjustments without x and y gear movements?
I know the answer........ you are a buddhist zen monk but I thought I would ask anyway!
regards
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Prakash,
data on the 28HR:http://www.alpa.ch/files/products/152/A_Sir_dig_HR_28_Neuh_2006_d.pdf
Regarding using the Schneider 24XL with the Gottschalt and the custom made sliding back?
I don't think so.
That's why the 28HR is prefferable,it's rear element is not as close to the sensor as with the 24XL.
Regards,
Willem.
N.B I'm in the process of getting the Gottschalt Ds-30Di with 28HR +35HR +60HR + 100HR lenses.
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Is it possible to use other backs that do not have an interchangable mounting and still be able to use a sliding back and be able to focus a Schneider 24xl @ infinity?
What is the longest exposure the e75 allows?
How are you able to compose axial elevation symmetrical shots without a geared movements?
If I understood your previous posts correctly, the gottshalt front panel moves in all directions and is locked by one knob. How do you make micro adjustments without x and y gear movements?
I know the answer........ you are a buddhist zen monk but I thought I would ask anyway!
regards
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i am not sure if you can mount non-interchangeable mounts on the sliding back, probably not, at least not rotatable. maybe he could make with hassy adapter the sliding back also, but i am not sure about that.
the camera has millimeter scales on all moving parts, and meanwhile you move with the outer knob there is a second inner ring to fix the movement, this knobs are for the side movements on the back and for the lense movements on the front. it needs a little bit pactice but not that much, ... andthere are many monasteries where you can live in nearly for free meanwhile you exercise that,- although
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Willem and Rainer,
What is the DS-30Di, as it's not on Gottschalt's site? I photograph still life, NOT interiors or architecture, and so like to own precise things. Does the Gottschalt have geared front AND rear movements. How does it differ from an Alpa XY? I've been curious since Rainer mentioned his customized camera over a year ago at the RobGalbraith forums.
Thank you,
Billy
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Billy,
the Gottschalt Ds-30di is a customized built camera.
on the lens side,the lens shifts/rotates 30mm all angles.
On the rear,it has a 20mm lateral shift.
Nothing is geared.[attachment=1817:attachment][attachment=1818:attachment]
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Danijela
I use an ALPA 12 SWA with 24, 35 and 47mm Schneider Digitars. I purchased a Leaf Aptus 75, but after 9 months for problems including those mentioned here I switched to the H3D. The H3D wound up with a whole different set of problems such as niot being able to do white gain corrections unless being tethered. Hassalblad is working on these issues. Their image quality with the H3D is amazing.
You may want to take a look at Tim Griffiths website. He is an architectual photographer using the Digitars and a P45. His work is outstanding and he raves about the P45.
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Tim Griffith uses a Cambo WDS last time I spoke with him.
The Alpa 12 SWA is excellent,however limited in movements.
No lateral shift and to shift down,you have to turn the camera back to front.
Otherwise the Alpa XY does it all,but to large for my liking.
Cheers,
Willem.
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Danijela
I use an ALPA 12 SWA with 24, 35 and 47mm Schneider Digitars. I purchased a Leaf Aptus 75, but after 9 months for problems including those mentioned here I switched to the H3D. The H3D wound up with a whole different set of problems such as niot being able to do white gain corrections unless being tethered. Hassalblad is working on these issues. Their image quality with the H3D is amazing.
You may want to take a look at Tim Griffiths website. He is an architectual photographer using the Digitars and a P45. His work is outstanding and he raves about the P45.
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Michael,
So what back goes on the Alpa now?
Asher Kelman
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Willem and Rainer,
What is the DS-30Di, as it's not on Gottschalt's site? I photograph still life, NOT interiors or architecture, and so like to own precise things. Does the Gottschalt have geared front AND rear movements. How does it differ from an Alpa XY? I've been curious since Rainer mentioned his customized camera over a year ago at the RobGalbraith forums.
Thank you,
Billy
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Billy,
if your work is mostly stills, then I am not sure if Alpa, Gottschalk and such cameras are for you.
I would in this case suggest a p3 or a cheaper version like the f3.
Thierry
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I'm at the point where I'm considering gunning for the next stage of my career and trying to leap over to the bigger players. I have a kodak pro back, but it is too limiting and I do corporate work which includes much "standard" photography such as architecture, landscape, buildings, cars, people etc etc.. but I do want to move into architecture photography in a bigger way.
I feel when I'm doing an architecture shoot, it mirrors alot of my personal work as it involves alot of walking around, looking and waiting for the right light.
My current plan is to sell the proback and get either a p21 or aptus 17, and use it on a truwide with nikkor lenses. I do have an arca swiss 69, but I can't afford going for the digitar lenses.
I've read that there are some backs which are unsuitable for use with shifting lenses, which are these ? I know the p30 is one of them.
The local currency is about 1.5x that of the USD hence everything to me is about 50% more than what you guys experience.
I'm now using a canon/5D and a Mamiya/proback system.
If cost is going to be a big factor, I might sell the whole mamiya set just to get a digital back for architecture and let the 5D take care of the rest.
I have another section in my company which deals with weddings photography, hence I'll still be keeping the 5D for that.
I hope you guys will share your views and advice on this.
thanks
cheers
rgs
rueyloon
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Given your situation, I think you are on the right track. Making 16 bit captures will give you more color information and flexibilty in postproduction. Adding an 18mp or 22mp back will also allow you to use your current camera systems with the appropriate adapters.
I have used the truewide with several phase backs and it works very well. Initially, I used it with an H20 (36x36mm sensor) the focal lengths translate 1:1 in 35mm systems. When you move to the 31x43 or 33x44 sensor size (18mp backs) your 28mm pc will give you a wider coverage. I would definately look @some of the zeiss optics that Dustbak has recommended.......He knows this system very well. The 36x48 or 37x49 sensor size will vignette in the corners from the copal 3 shutter of the truewide. The Nikon or Olympus shift lenses are retrofocus lens designs and will produce some barrel distortions on the edges as well some chromatic abberations....depending on
your subject matter and clients this may or may not be an issue.
You can spend 3k to 5k (used or new) usd$ and have a slidingback camera with 2 or 3
nikon shift lenses(as well as any other nikon mount lenses.......camera can also be used for studio work) or spend three to four times that amount for a specialized shift camera with digital lenses available new only (all these systems have been discussed on other threads).
There is another option: buy a couple of digital or wider lenses and use them on your Arca 6x9.
I find that my Arca works quite well for normal to telephoto work.
good luck
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Danijela,
First I'd like to welcome you onto this board,
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Thank you, I already feel overwhelmed with the response of many serious photographers who actually base their response on the fact and confidence,
which Is highly appreciated.
Sencond, respectfuly, before making any decision may I suggest that you test the Leaf system compared to the other 3, on an ALPA? I believe this will greatly help in uderstanding why the first part of your sentence is so true.
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I was advised that it would take some time to hand-pick the one without the CF issue and for the available effort Leaf Representatives deserve my total respect. However, I can't say much more and honestly I am in a practical way forced to resist talking/thinking about many of the Leaf Aptus attributes for some obvious and some unpredictable reasons/potential-consequences, although I am keeping the idea in soft focus for the near future I hope.
Danijela,
Please feel free to contact me on/ off line for any further clariffications.
Good luck!!!
Yair
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I am publicly thinking, what would Phase One Annual turn-over be, if they had
representatives like Yaya & Thierry? On the other hand, what would Leaf/Sinar's
Annual turnover be, if they had the Phase One Software/Workflow efficiency?
I hope I will end up with the wise and practical decision.
Thank you
Danijela
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Danijela,
make sure you put the eMotion-75 on your testing list.
Cheers,
Willem.
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Hi William,
eMotion-75 is definitely on my list. Therefore I would really appreciate if Thierry could forward the contact of
at least one photographer using combo Sinar/ALPA 12SWA or any ALPA so that I may proceed in the right direction.
Regards
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Hi William,
eMotion-75 is definitely on my list. Therefore I would really appreciate if Thierry could forward the contact of
at least one photographer using combo Sinar/ALPA 12SWA or any ALPA so that I may proceed in the right direction.
Regards
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Dear Danijela,
I have already asked some distributors to give me a contact willing to inform about his work with it.
Will let you know,
Thierry
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i am using the e75 together with a siimilar camera than the alpa12swa. its a gottschalt camera together with a set of sinar rodenstock HR and digital optics starting with 28mm.
works very good so far.
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I had a chance to use ALPA 12SWA with film 6x9 recently owned by a fellow photographer and I must say I was very impressed. It Is nice and small to walk around if need be etc. and that alone made my day. With Gottschalt I never had a chance to see one and honestly never hear anybody talking about it. I guess it is rather more limited/custom made camera then ALPA.
it allows you movements up or sidewards of app. 12mm,- so the image circle of the optic is somehow bigger than the 24xl.
it has less fall-off so you can work without centerfilter, with the 24xk you should use a cf.
the 28hr is sharp till the edges even at f4, the 24xl wants too be stopped down 2stops for best performance.
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I loved 24XL but I am not sure if my eyes are tired from too much pressure of thinking and looking to much at details, because I think I noticed not too obvious but still a slight and apparent barrel distortion with 24XL, I hope I’m wrong on this one, perhaps that particular lens was just like that or else..., I have to see that again.
I could not find anybody I know with 28HR, but I was promised to wait until Friday, perhaps it is worth the extra stretch.
the color casts should not have effect if you work in b+w,
i think they are not strong enough to change the luminance significant.
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I thought so, but I had to ask since I never used any of the Digital Backs with the Super-Wide lenses.
Anyway, I prefer to have a second opinion and I’m glad to hear the confirmation.
some additional advices for testing, sure there are many more....
shoot some images where saturated blue sky is in the image to see cf issues.
shoot one image with a neutral grey wall to see color shifts.
take care you have enough time to learn how to handle the backs, esp. the conversions,- otherwise it might be difficult to have anything said by your test.
with phase you should use in any case their LCC method. same with sinar and leaf with white references. try with sinar for on location shots the brumbaer software also.
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Thank you for the advice. I guess I will have to test even P45 for the CF issue since I just read here on the LL forum about the Lightroom and P45 CF issue, I guess it sounds more like the Lightroom Software/Compatibility issue.
All The Best
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
Thanks first to contact me and welcome as a new member here on this forum.
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Happy to bee here.
Dear Danijela,
- I will not answer your questions about lenses: rehnniar has already done it here, and many others in this forum are certainly more qualified then myself for this. Fur sure, the Rodenstock 28 HR is a fantastic lens, allowing a lot of shifts and still absolutely shar in the edges, with a bigger image circle and without the need of a centre filter. As for the camera platform: I would recommend you to speak to rehnniar, since he has so much experience, with many systems tested and used already.
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Fair enough.
Dear Danijela,
- Your question about color casts and centrefold effect: surely the effect in B&W won't be that disturbing and may even not be visible, depending on the degree and kind of color cast. Though, it might affect your image in the tonal values and give you different graduations rendition in certain parts of the subject, depending on the colours and saturations. This differences in tonal values might change the image from a one without colour cast, in BW: the difference might no be so big and acceptable, especially if you don't have the comparison with a reference B&W without the effect. Anyway, certainly not that disturbing as a real colour cast in a clour image.
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Theoretically covered that, but still curious to test it.
Dear Danijela,
- As for the centrefold effect: this is another story, since this effect, when it happens, will produce a fine line in your image,certainly well visible as well in B&W. You certainy don't want this in your image, so you would have to retouch it out.
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You are right, I don't want centerfold issue to be apparent at all in any of my images, but also I don’t want to even think about
Retouching even though I don’t have anything against retouching, in fact I support it but for Fashion & Composite Images, etc.
So any example of CF issue is instant disqualification as far as I am concerned.
Trying to explain to my Clients when shooting tethered with the CF issue on the screen and letting them know that now they have to pay extra for retouching is preposterous, It's not me!
Perhaps some photographers have few angles when it comes to moments like that, I don’t.
Regards
Danijela
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... and here some additional information about the technical differences and facts between 33 MPx Dalsa and 39 MPx sensors: I was thinking that it might interest a lot of you here. See attachment.
Thierry
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Great Info, Highly appreciated.
Thank You
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
I own and use the alpa12swa for 3,5 years with b&w film (a Rollex back), and for the last 2 years I use my Alpas (have added a TC) with an eMotion 22. I have an Apo- Helvetar 48mm (use it with film and digital), a Digitar 35mm, a Digitar 24mm. I agree that a 24mm Digitar is an extreme lens and suffers from colorcast with even limited shifts on an e22. With the brumbaer software an Alpa and an e22 is a joy to use on location, and I do not care about center filters anymore.
Yevgeny
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Hi Yevgeny,
Basically I am going for almost the same system as yours only with the bigger chip. At the moment I am avoiding the Rollex film back simply because I can easily add a third lens for the same money.
Any experience with the 28HR or any of the Rodenstock digital lenses with ALPA?
Any reference or issues like Centrefold with your e22 and 24XL on ALPA?, do you have a link to your web,
or few images that you may like to share.
I am particularly interested to hear the bad news first if there is any, then I usually find it a lot more easier to talk about the quality.
Thank you
Danijela
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Danijela
I use an ALPA 12 SWA with 24, 35 and 47mm Schneider Digitars. I purchased a Leaf Aptus 75, but after 9 months for problems including those mentioned here I switched to the H3D.
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That is exactly the kind of set-up I was looking for with Apo-Digitar 5.6/47mm XL decentered with the exception of the 24XL in exchange for 28HR.
Any Experience with 24XL vs. 28HR on ALPA 12 SWA?
Danijela
The H3D wound up with a whole different set of problems such as niot being able to do white gain corrections unless being tethered. Hassalblad is working on these issues. Their image quality with the H3D is amazing.
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I have to admit that I really like the H3D especially because it is their 3rd H generation system, nice selection of lenses, It's new and it works.
Is the problem with White Gain Correction going to be solved in the foreseeable future or else… ?
I am also excited about the Hy6 project but I already decided to give the advantage to H3D since
as I said, H3D is the 3rd Generation and Hy6 is not even available. Plus I feel like there is nothing to worry about with regards to Hy6, since it feels like they already have the whole Army of BETA testers waiting in que willing to put their trust and money on the line.
Danijela
You may want to take a look at Tim Griffiths website. He is an architectual photographer using the Digitars and a P45. His work is outstanding and he raves about the P45.
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After all, It seems like All Roads Lead To Rome/P45+
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
I have already asked some distributors to give me a contact willing to inform about his work with it.
Will let you know,
Thierry
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Of course I will be patient with in the reason, but I have to have the system by the
end of the month. I think that is reasonable regardless of my choice.
Regards
Danijela
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Tim Griffith uses a Cambo WDS last time I spoke with him.
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Nice Camera in deed, but not something I would pick. I like Rehniar's Gottschalt Camera better.
The Alpa 12 SWA is excellent,however limited in movements.
No lateral shift and to shift down,you have to turn the camera back to front.
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I am focused on ALPA 12SWA only because it is good for what it is, small, compact a bit like a Leica of the Medium Format, hence the idea of less bodyguards around me. I guess my concern with theft is a bit different from guy's perspective on the very same issue.
The biggest downfall for me with regards to ALPA is the fact that:
Nº01 » Their lenses don't fit other cameras like Linhof 679, Sinar P3, etc. even though they are the very same lenses only with a different helical mount i guess.
Perhaps I am wrong in say that, perhaps not, I'm not sure yet?
Nº02 » Price vs. Compatibility, with the exception of the Rollei Lenses which are
interchangeble with ALPA as I unerstand and I really like Rollei lenses, esspecialiy if Rollei's/Sinar's Hy6 succede's the trip.
Otherwise the Alpa XY does it all,but to large for my liking.
Cheers,
Willem.
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The same here.
Regards
Danijela
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Well what would you think of this from China, the Fotoman Technical DMAX due March 07!
(http://www.fotomancamera.com/product/20061214174340DmaxfrontLG.jpg)
Description:
Multi Film Format: 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 6x9, 6x12 via removeable film backs
Film Size: 120 & 220
Accepts many Digital Backs (Phase One, Leaf, Imacon, Jenoptik, Sinar)
Focus Method: Helical Focus Mount or Ground Glass
View Finder: 120 degree with Interchangeable Masks
Body Material: 6061 T2 Aluminum Alloy
Body Dimensions: TBA
Weight: TBA
Price: Forecast at approximately 2,700.00 USD
See more details here (http://www.fotomancamera.com/product_list.asp?id=256)
Is this up to standards needed for architecture, I have no idea, but this is worth looking at. Certainly this opens up new possibilities.
Asher Kelman
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Nice Camera in deed, but not something I would pick. I like Rehniar's Gottschalt Camera better.
I am focused on ALPA 12SWA only because it is good for what it is, small, compact a bit like a Leica of the Medium Format, hence the idea of less bodyguards around me. I guess my concern with theft is a bit different from guy's perspective on the very same issue.
The biggest downfall for me with regards to ALPA is the fact that:
Nº01 » Their lenses don't fit other cameras like Linhof 679, Sinar P3, etc. even though they are the very same lenses only with a different helical mount i guess.
Perhaps I am wrong in say that, perhaps not, I'm not sure yet?
Nº02 » Price vs. Compatibility, with the exception of the Rollei Lenses which are
interchangeble with ALPA as I unerstand and I really like Rollei lenses, esspecialiy if Rollei's/Sinar's Hy6 succede's the trip.
The same here.
Regards
Danijela
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seems so that the wide angle capacity is limited. they state the 38schneider the
widest and the 45 rodenstock.
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Rainer,
scroll to the bottom and find 24XL Schneider and 35 Apo Sironar Rodenstock.
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It is certainly a nice little camera.
Vertical shift 25 mm up and down and lateral shift on the back 25mm left to right.
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they state the 38schneider the
widest and the 45 rodenstock.
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HI Rehnniar,
Perhaps you missed a few? Fotoman is listing also 24/5.6 APO Digitar &
35/4.5 Digital APO Sironar. The one I could not find is 28HR.
Are we looking at the same page?
Regards
Danijela
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Well what would you think of this from China, the Fotoman Technical DMAX due March 07!
(http://www.fotomancamera.com/product/20061214174340DmaxfrontLG.jpg)
Description:
Multi Film Format: 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 6x9, 6x12 via removeable film backs
Film Size: 120 & 220
Accepts many Digital Backs (Phase One, Leaf, Imacon, Jenoptik, Sinar)
Focus Method: Helical Focus Mount or Ground Glass
View Finder: 120 degree with Interchangeable Masks
Body Material: 6061 T2 Aluminum Alloy
Body Dimensions: TBA
Weight: TBA
Price: Forecast at approximately 2,700.00 USD
See more details here (http://www.fotomancamera.com/product_list.asp?id=256)
http://www.openphotographyforums.com (http://www.openphotographyforums.com)
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Frankly, first impression is that it looks to me like a gloomy clone version based on the Horseman Cameras. I can't say much since I am not interested in Horseman either, apart from their stereo camera based on the Xpan body, unfortunately there are priorities.
Is this up to standards needed for architecture, I have no idea, but this is worth looking at. Certainly this opens up new possibilities.
Asher Kelman
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Oh, first time I saw 8x10 that you could walk with like a snapshot camera, I was excited, so I am all for supporting their enthusiasm and their goals. However, if the quality/craftsmanship is what I am after, they are not among the Top 5 on my list.
Thanks anyway
Danijela
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I have to say that I almost always confuse Rethmeier with Rehnniar and vise-verse.
So my apologies up front for any possible future inconvenience.
Regards
Danijela
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That is exactly the kind of set-up I was looking for with Apo-Digitar 5.6/47mm XL decentered with the exception of the 24XL in exchange for 28HR.
Any Experience with 24XL vs. 28HR on ALPA 12 SWA?
I have to admit that I really like the H3D especially because it is their 3rd H generation system, nice selection of lenses, It's new and it works.
Is the problem with White Gain Correction going to be solved in the foreseeable future or else… ?
I am also excited about the Hy6 project but I already decided to give the advantage to H3D since
as I said, H3D is the 3rd Generation and Hy6 is not even available. Plus I feel like there is nothing to worry about with regards to Hy6, since it feels like they already have the whole Army of BETA testers waiting in que willing to put their trust and money on the line.
After all, It seems like All Roads Lead To Rome/P45+
Regards
Danijela
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An architectural friend tested the 28 HR and rejected it for his use because of too much distortion at the edges. This may be something you wish to test for yourself, as I hate furthering hearsay.
Hassy indicates that these problems including the Custom White Calibration (Phase calls it LCC) will be working untethered within a few weeks. They say they are releasing Flexcolor 4.6.7 which will fix this.
The majority of the architectural shooters I know are using either the P45 or Aptus 75.
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The level of distortion of the 24XL and the 28HR is very similar according to the graphs.
The benefit of the 28HR :
Higher resolution (important for 33MP +39MP) and it's sharp at F4.5.
+ you have a little bit of shift,however it's expensive and heavy.
The 24XL needs to be stopped down to F11 to get optimum sharpness.
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update :
I've seen the p25 and p30 back,
today I'll be seeing the aptus65 back....
cheers
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This image photographed with a 24xl on a cambo wide DS shot with an aptus 75
(http://johngibbel.com/LL_Master_Bathroom.jpg)
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I've been using a Cambo WDS with 35 and 47 digitars and a P25 back. While I would like to eventually upgrade to a P45, I'm quite happy with this combo. LCC is just another part of the workflow. No big deal, although I prefer to make calibrations as I shoot. Having a set of preset Lcc's doesn't work as well as making one one the spot.
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An architectural friend tested the 28 HR and rejected it for his use because of too much distortion at the edges. This may be something you wish to test for yourself, as I hate furthering hearsay.
The majority of the architectural shooters I know are using either the P45 or Aptus 75.
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i would not count too much about majorities..... thinking in mc. donalds and co.
especially in architecture photography we see the beginning of digital use. lets watch how the things will go on. very short times are wides as the 24xl or the 28hr in the market available, as well as cameras as the alpa xy, the cambo ( with available lense boards! ) and the gottschalt. at least in germany still 90% of architecture shooters are working with film.
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emotion22 and 28HR.
( no "lcc" or white reference shot was made. the second image is stitched, each shot 10mm shift in 30 degrees right+left up , f11 )
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An architectural friend tested the 28 HR and rejected it for his use because of too much distortion at the edges. This may be something you wish to test for yourself, as I hate furthering hearsay.
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are you sure your friend returned the 28HR ? maybe he had the 28digitar,- this lense is a real lemon for distortion.
with the 28HR your comment or your friends exoerience simply dont make any sense.
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An architectural friend tested the 28 HR and rejected it for his use because of too much distortion at the edges. This may be something you wish to test for yourself, as I hate furthering hearsay.
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I was told that 28HR will be delivered for testing by this Friday 16th of February but I guess I misunderstood the email, now they say it’s actually next Friday 23rd of February. It would actually be good to have 24XL/28HR side by side.
I hate furthering hearsay.
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I hear you, fair enough.
Hassy indicates that these problems including the Custom White Calibration (Phase calls it LCC) will be working untethered within a few weeks. They say they are releasing Flexcolor 4.6.7 which will fix this.
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I received the email suggesting that Hasselblad will enable white gain corrections without tethering soon, since It is in the final stages of the process. So I hope that this becomes active in less than 30 days. It is confirmed that it works but has not been enabled by the factory for users until the new release of the software.
The majority of the architectural shooters I know are using either the P45 or Aptus 75.
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I have been trying to answer my question so far, where does the H3D & Sinar eMotion75 fit in? and I can't give myself a fundamental answer. Hasselblad is barking but Hasselblad is ready to bite if it need be and they have a good reason for it, I am not sure how i feel about Sinar. I will say it again, if they succeed the Hy6 Trip, they could make the choice easier for every one of us providing there is no turbulence! like with the Leaf Issues etc..
Oh, one more question if I may. "I feel like I'm panicking now, not sure why, typical of a woman I guess."
How many cables do you need for H3D to work with ALPA 12SWA and if the answer is two or more, if you could elaborate more why?
Thank You
Danijela
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The level of distortion of the 24XL and the 28HR is very similar according to the graphs.
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I found 24XL to be a bit more distorted then 28HR, but anyway not the world of a difference.
It is imperative that I learn how to read the MTF charts properly, so if anyone could send some links or advice on the literature, books etc. i would appreciate it.
I found one article here on Luminous Landscape, perhaps few more could help.
The benefit of the 28HR :
Higher resolution (important for 33MP +39MP) and it's sharp at F4.5.
+ you have a little bit of shift,however it's expensive and heavy.
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Why am I going for the H3D 39, e75, P45+ if not for resolution, so of course the benefit of the higher resolution lens is important. The question is, is there a
visual difference to justify the cost, or is the difference apparent only when you look at the MTF Charts.
Thanks to your info on weight: How heavy is the 28HR? perhaps a bit bulky for ALPA 12SWA, but I presume nothing that I should worry about.
The 24XL needs to be stopped down to F11 to get optimum sharpness.
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I know Rehnniar own's 28HR, do you own 24XL or 28HR?
REGARDS
Danijela
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[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']How do you prove MTF Chart wrong?[/span]
Is there a step by step answer to this question?
Thank you
Danijela
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i just wrote some words what i think about this two lenses.....:
the 28HR //
the biggest advantage in practical use that you can use it with very good success ( which means with sharp!! edges ) at open aperture, where you should stop down the 24xl to f8 or even f11. in my opinion at f8 or 11 the 24xl dont require also a center filter cause in any case you should make with this lense a white reference shot with every actual back.
same about the 28HR. it works without centerfilter, its falloff at f4,5 may equal the falloff of the 24xl at f11, but still it is much better to make a whitereference shot for having 1. even colors and 2. even illumination.
other advantages of the 28HR:
1. the 28HR is sharp till the extrem edges, the 24xl not so in the extrem corners.
2. the 28HR ( and the 35HR ) allows you to shift the camera 12mm up ( in horizontal sensor position ), its image circle is very conservative claimed with 70mm.
( this is even more evident with the larger HR lenses, a.e. the 60HR you can shift 20 - 25mm.)
my experience is that its much more usefull to have a shiftable 28mm lense than to have a 24mm lense where you have to adjust shifts electronically
( and usually you will end up with f.o.v. which are the same or more narrow than 28mm ).
summary:
for me its a "no brainer" that the price difference between this lenses is more than adequat and should not be an argument in the class we are playing with mf backs and shiftable camera systems.
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This image photographer with a 24xl on a cambo wide DS shot with an aptus 75
(http://johngibbel.com/LL_Master_Bathroom.jpg)
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Thank you for providing your friends 24XL Sample. I know your friend used tripod of course and the level base, but looking at this sample there is some distortion going on. The one that instantly caught my eye is in the middle right-hand corner on the window, which is not particular for this lens, so I am wondering if the window was altered during the production and therefore he missed or...
Otherwise it's bad enough I have to deal with corners now in the middle too, than if that's the truth I have to admit I really don't like it.
Could it be that the level/height of the camera if used low can cause such effect, but anyway it should be apparent on the other side too, actually it is but it's not that heavy.
I'm sorry but I have to ask, are you sure he used 24XL?
REGARDS
Danijela
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I've been using a Cambo WDS with 35 and 47 digitars and a P25 back. While I would like to eventually upgrade to a P45, I'm quite happy with this combo. LCC is just another part of the workflow.
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With regards to P45+ on ALPA 12SWA, I do not understand why does it need a wake-up call in order to proceed with every single shot or am I mistaken in saying that, and does P45+ require more then one cable and why?
Is this the case only with ALPA or the same goes for the Linhof, Gottschalt, Cambo WDS cameras and why?
If you only had 10 seconds, how many exposures are you able to make and
how many wake-ups?
No big deal, although I prefer to make calibrations as I shoot. Having a set of preset Lcc's doesn't work as well as making one one the spot.
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Why is that?
Regards
Danijela
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Oh, one more question if I may. "I feel like I'm panicking now, not sure why, typical of a woman I guess."
How many cables do you need for H3D to work with ALPA 12SWA and if the answer is two or more, if you could elaborate more why?
Thank You
Danijela
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One cable goes from the H3D back to the Lens Flash Sync.
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Danijela, It my image. The photographer should read photographed it is the 24xl. What you see in the middle window is light reflecting off the window that did not get fixed in post, not the lens. I am also thinking of getting the 28HR to have a lens that falls between the 24xl and 35xl. I am also looking at getting the 60hr, but cambo told me I would only have 6mm shift with this lens or have my Schneider 58xl lens converted to fit the cambo. I need something longer then the 47xl and the 72 xl is a big jump in mm. I really like 24 xl but it starts to get soft past F8 - F11
shot with 24xl lens
(http://johngibbel.com/Entry.jpg)
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i would not count too much about majorities..... thinking in mc. donalds and co.
especially in architecture photography we see the beginning of digital use. lets watch how the things will go on. very short times are wides as the 24xl or the 28hr in the market available, as well as cameras as the alpa xy, the cambo ( with available lense boards! ) and the gottschalt.
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OK, so I'm not alone after all, am I?
At least in germany still 90% of architecture shooters are working with film.
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I didn't have any idea of how many people shoot architecture using film but 90% is substantial number. Actually before I decided to go for digital back I was thinking Ebony 4x5 with the new QuadStitch 4 by 5 View Camera Sliding Back Adapter by Kapture Group which I thought is excellent but than discovered from few distributors that apparently it is not ready yet.
I am not sure if you have any experience/thoughts to share on QuadStitch 4 by 5 Sliding Back Adapter
emotion22 and 28HR.
( no "lcc" or white reference shot was made. the second image is stitched, each shot 10mm shift in 30 degrees right+left up , f11 )
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I did a little distortion test with Grid Frame in PS. I didn't use your second image because it's stitched but I used the first one to compare it with the one from our fellow phtographer pixjohn.
This is what I got:
» Nº1 24XL - Didn't like what was happening in the middle of the 24XL at all, and that was throw away at first but I still keep my fingers crossed.
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» Nº2 28HR - Couldn't see much distortion in the middle apart from the left lamp and the far left corner but really little certainly less than 24XL, in all other areas 28HR looks solid + the extra resolution which I can't really test with these images.
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Regards
Danijela
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Owners of 28HR
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Come out, Come out , wherever you are !!![/span]
Is there anybody else apart from our fellow photographer Rehnniar who owns one and would like to contribute?
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']SINAR[/span] » Thierry
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']HASSELBLAD[/span] » Steve Hendrix : I am not sure if Steve here represents Hasselblad or not, but if he could greet me with his answer I would appreciate it.
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']PHASE[/span] [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']ONE[/span] » I don't know anybody representing Phase on this forum, so if anybody could help I would certainly appreciate it.
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']LEAF[/span] » Yaya
Is there a DVD Tutorial made by following companies or third party:
» Stephen Brumbaer Software
» CaptureShop™ 5.3 - If not there should be one definitely for EXPOSURE
» Leaf Capture Software
» Flexcolor
» Capture One
If not, you guys should already have some future plans to produce your DVD Tutorials as they are the only true face/source of information between interested customers and dealers, especially when it comes to work-flow and trouble shooting.
PS: Of course, I'm not asking for free DVDs.
Regards
Danijela
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One cable goes from the H3D back to the Lens Flash Sync.
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Michael,
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Great relief![/span]
Thank you
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']SINAR[/span] » Thierry
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']HASSELBLAD[/span] » Steve Hendrix : I am not sure if Steve here represents Hasselblad or not, but if he could greet me with his answer I would appreciate it.
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']PHASE[/span] [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']ONE[/span] » I don't know anybody representing Phase on this forum, so if anybody could help I would certainly appreciate it.
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']LEAF[/span] » Yaya
Is there a DVD Tutorial made by following companies or third party:
» Stephen Brumbaer Software
» CaptureShop™ 5.3 - If not there should be one definitely for EXPOSURE
» Leaf Capture Software
» Flexcolor
» Capture One
If not, you guys should already have some future plans to produce your DVD Tutorials as they are the only true face/source of information between interested customers and dealers, especially when it comes to work-flow and trouble shooting.
PS: Of course, I'm not asking for free DVDs.
Regards
Danijela
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hi Danijela,
Sinar
We do have what we call Capturehshop "Help files", online, which are installed with the CS softwares: I can send you the latest version of Captureshop, which is anyway FOC and the "Help" installer: do you have a FTP server or somewhere to upload? Or else, contact me offline and I shall give you access to my personal FTP server.
Brumbaer Tools
I don't know if Stefan has a DVD Tutorial, but here is homepage (if you dont have it yet):
[a href=\"http://www.brumbaer.com/Tools/Tools.html]http://www.brumbaer.com/Tools/Tools.html[/url]
Best,
Thierry
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I am also looking at getting the 60hr, but cambo told me I would only have 6mm shift with this lens or have my Schneider 58xl lens converted to fit the cambo.
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thats definitely bs. i wrote above that you can shift around 20mm and more or with the 60HR and a 36x48mm sensor.
...and....
if i would think the 24xl is usefull ( or better ) aside the 28HR i would have it.
what i like at most with an architecture system is that i can shift, cant do that with the 24xl.
...and....
you can download the brumbaer software, it has a help file installed.
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The type of work I shoot I need the wide view of the 24xl. The shot above with the 24xl had about 1 - 2mm shift with no problem. Sometime I need a little more shift and end up retouching a little vignetting on the bottom corners. I would like more shift but the 28HR is just to tight for some shots. The shot of the entry would not work with the 28HR it would be a little to tight.
As per the Rodenstock 60HR I think I will give another call to cambo. They did say they would make a working lens for me, but I would be doing it at my own risk. Do you have any sample with the 60HR?
thats definitely bs. i wrote above that you can shift around 20mm and more or with the 60HR and a 36x48mm sensor.
...and....
if i would think the 24xl is usefull ( or better ) aside the 28HR i would have it.
what i like at most with an architecture system is that i can shift, cant do that with the 24xl.
...and....
you can download the brumbaer software, it has a help file installed.
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As per the Rodenstock 60HR I think I will give another call to cambo. They did say they would make a working lens for me, but I would be doing it at my own risk. Do you have any sample with the 60HR?
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in some days ( maybe two weeks or so... ) i will give some raws to asher for his page. will include the 60HR in this.
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hello
Just an update, my search has ended and now it is back getting the images, if any of you guys are ever in Singapore, or maybe even nearby countries let's see if we can meet up for a beer.
Cheers
rgs
rueyloon
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Hi,
I am one of the 90% architectural photographer using film...
and I am sure I will change to digital when I can see more advantages than now.
I don`t like to carry my 50kg Linhof 5/7 inch around, but I also don`t like to spend night after night trying to find solutions for problems I still don`t have (Color Cast, Moiré, Centerfold, Software problems and so on.).
Today the wide angel lenses on 4/5inch are wider than the digital lenses (a 47XL is equ. to a 18mm), and there are still movements.
I know the results of Rainers digital work, and I really like his technical perfection...but I don`t think that the products of the photographic industry are already ready.
I would like to make good pictures...digital or not
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Hi,
I am one of the 90% architectural photographer using film...
and I am sure I will change to digital when I can see more advantages than now.
I don`t like to carry my 50kg Linhof 5/7 inch around, but I also don`t like to spend night after night trying to find solutions for problems I still don`t have (Color Cast, Moiré, Centerfold, Software problems and so on.).
Today the wide angel lenses on 4/5inch are wider than the digital lenses (a 47XL is equ. to a 18mm), and there are still movements.
I know the results of Rainers digital work, and I really like his technical perfection...but I don`t think that the products of the photographic industry are already ready.
I would like to make good pictures...digital or not
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hi michael...
what a surprise to meet you here.
big hello....
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hi michael...
what a surprise to meet you here.
big hello....
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Big hello too, hope you ´re on the beach...
Why you are surprised, we often discuss about analog/digital, so we can do it here too.
I would like so much a really good digital solution for architectural work.
Oh Rainer, by the way, you ´ve seen my post in "managing megabytes?" at the forum?
Michael
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']SINAR[/span] » Thierry
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']HASSELBLAD[/span] » Steve Hendrix : I am not sure if Steve here represents Hasselblad or not, but if he could greet me with his answer I would appreciate it.
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']PHASE[/span] [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']ONE[/span] » I don't know anybody representing Phase on this forum, so if anybody could help I would certainly appreciate it.
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']LEAF[/span] » Yaya
Is there a DVD Tutorial made by following companies or third party:
» Stephen Brumbaer Software
» CaptureShop™ 5.3 - If not there should be one definitely for EXPOSURE
» Leaf Capture Software
» Flexcolor
» Capture One
If not, you guys should already have some future plans to produce your DVD Tutorials as they are the only true face/source of information between interested customers and dealers, especially when it comes to work-flow and trouble shooting.
PS: Of course, I'm not asking for free DVDs.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela:
I do sell Hasselblad, Leaf and Sinar. At one time, Hasselblad did have DVD tutorials, but it was some time ago, and now mostly out of date. We are working on Quicktime tutorials for each of these product lines right now, and hope to have them available soon.
Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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Anyone wondering were digital is now Vs film for architecture, consider this:
http://www.viewpictures.co.uk (http://www.viewpictures.co.uk)
Yair
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Anyone wondering were digital is now Vs film for architecture, consider this:
http://www.viewpictures.co.uk (http://www.viewpictures.co.uk)
Yair
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At viewpictures.com there is a lot of pictures, but:
You can order transparencies!
There are some digital produced pictures, but most of them are not.
So what did you mean, yaya??
Michael
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What I meant is that some of the people who own this organization use digital and on the day mentioned there will be digital equipment available for testing and reps for discussing the various options and issues.
Yair
At viewpictures.com there is a lot of pictures, but:
You can order transparencies!
There are some digital produced pictures, but most of them are not.
So what did you mean, yaya??
Michael
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Danijela, It my image. The photographer should read photographed it is the 24xl.
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I am sorry but It's been a long, long day. As I was writing my answer to you, somehow our fellow photographer Michael's
phrase about his friend testing 24XL & 28HR was most probably still on my mind.
What you see in the middle window is light reflecting off the window that did not get fixed in post, not the lens.
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Personally I don't think so, but considering your fair intention I'll take your word for it.
I am also thinking of getting the 28HR to have a lens that falls between the 24xl and 35xl.
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Honestly, there is not much to think about. In my opinion 28HR deserves attention. I just hope it's not too bulky on the ALPA 12 SWA.
I am also looking at getting the 60hr, but cambo told me I would only have 6mm shift with this lens or have my Schneider 58xl lens converted to fit the cambo. I need something longer then the 47xl and the 72 xl is a big jump in mm. I really like 24 xl but it starts to get soft past F8 - F11
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Originally I was looking at 58XL but soon found out it is designed for analog only, then my interest was inclined more towards 60HR, but the dealer told me the image circle is small so I presume he meant you can't shift with 60HR that much.
I need something longer then the 47xl and the 72 xl is a big jump in mm. I really like 24 xl but it starts to get soft past F8 - F11
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Perhaps somebody on the forum already owns 60HR and would like to step forward, Please?
shot with 24xl lens
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John,
I believe you & I'll be frank,
When in post-production: If you don't regard discipline as your best friend in every respect, you can turn 24XL in to Canon 14mm in a blink of a moment.
Regards
Danijela
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When they say that 58XL is made for film, in my view I instantly think bigger Image circle,
and when they say it is made for digital I instantly think smaller image circle.
I'm sure there must be something else that I'm missing?
Regards
Danijela
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When they say that 58XL is made for film, in my view I instantly think bigger Image circle,
and when they say it is made for digital I instantly think smaller image circle.
I'm sure there must be something else that I'm missing?
Regards
Danijela
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i own the 60HR aside the 35HR and the 28HR. all three are outstanding.
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I have used the 58xl on my view camera with the Leaf Aptus back. It was not a very detailed shot but did look good.
When they say that 58XL is made for film, in my view I instantly think bigger Image circle,
and when they say it is made for digital I instantly think smaller image circle.
I'm sure there must be something else that I'm missing?
Regards
Danijela
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Picture of the 28HR.
Weighs in at 875 grams,the 24XL is 305 grams.
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Hi,
I am one of the 90% architectural photographer using film...
and I am sure I will change to digital when I can see more advantages than now.
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=100826\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Hi Michael H,
Did you try the new QuadStitch 4 by 5 View Camera Sliding Back Adapter by Kapture Group, any thoughts?
I don`t like to carry my 50kg Linhof 5/7 inch around, but I also don`t like to spend night after night trying to find solutions for problems I still
don`t have (Color Cast, Moiré, Centerfold, Software problems and so on.).
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=100826\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
The same here. This is why I decided to go with ALPA 12SWA, not much shifting but a lot easier mobility. I was originally thinking
Ebony as a first choice and than Sinar or Linhof, but as soon as I tried ALPA I said this is dead simple and small, and as I said
before a bit like Leica of Medium format. I can also see my self going for the view camera later, but not now for sure.
Big question is which one?
Today the wide angel lenses on 4/5inch are wider than the digital lenses (a 47XL is equ. to a 18mm), and there are still movements.
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If I am not mistaken I heard that the Schneider 47XL is optimized for Film/Digital, but of coarse the size of the 4x5 film makes a difference I guess as well.
I remember,
A year a go, I was visiting Robert White UK and purchased few biscuits, but then by just talking to him about the Schneider FINE ART XXL Lenses, I was so impressed that I can't confront LF photographers, I can only join them. However, you do need a good scanner though.
Of course it is expensive and not worth for everyone, but I know I can't just ignore it as long as it's there.
I know the results of Rainers digital work, and I really like his technical perfection...
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=100826\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Raniar's body of work is nothing less then pure quality, simply outstanding !!!
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']It Screams PERFECTION !!![/span]
but I don`t think that the products of the photographic
industry are already ready.
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That is my concern also, but what concerns me even more is that they are even going forward pursuing new endeavours while consciously leaving design flaws behind them like they never existed and ruthlessly hoping to gain customers favour, a bit arrogant for my taste.
I would like to make good pictures...digital or not
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That is what is all about.
Regards
Danijela
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hi Danijela,
Sinar
We do have what we call Capturehshop "Help files", online
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Any Capturehshop VIDEO Help files online?
We do have what we call Capturehshop "Help files", online, which are installed with the CS softwares: I can send you the latest version of Captureshop, which is anyway FOC and the "Help" installer: do you have a FTP server or somewhere to upload? Or else, contact me offline and I shall give you access to my personal FTP server.
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=100794\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I don't have FTP Server yet, but I'm happy to contact you off-line.
Brumbaer Tools
I don't know if Stefan has a DVD Tutorial, but here is homepage (if you dont have it yet):
[a href=\"http://www.brumbaer.com/Tools/Tools.html]http://www.brumbaer.com/Tools/Tools.html[/url]
Best,
Thierry
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What exactly are the Brumbaer Tools for, and how do they compare to CaptureShop? Advantage & Disadvantage, PLEASE!
Are his Tools going to become part of the Exposure Software?
Regards
Danijela
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Any Capturehshop VIDEO Help files online?
I don't have FTP Server yet, but I'm happy to contact you off-line.
What exactly are the Brumbaer Tools for, and how do they compare to CaptureShop? Advantage & Disadvantage, PLEASE!
Are his Tools going to become part of the Exposure Software?
Regards
Danijela
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the brumbaer tool is reducing the needs for a mf back software to its absolutely minimum, but delivering the optimum in quality. little bit like good valve amplifiers.....
1. it safes the raw files from the back to the hard disc, without converting them to any other format as *.mos or *.sti or whatever. so you can save the pure imager data for archiving.
the dng converter also reads and converts to dng the files written by capture shop,- also files from the 54H back ( but not so sophisticated till now ) as well as emotion 22+75 ( here it works "perfect").
2. it writes after that *.dng files, meanwhile the writing procedure is removed the centerfold stitch from the dalsa sensor ( a software code the leaf programmers havent wrote till now... greatings to yaya here :,- ). also it is possible - if desired - to calculate in the dng a white reference shot , similar as capture does with its lcc and leaf with its gain adjuster,- but in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure moise and other things.
the white references are used in the right moment in a batch, so you have not to care about them after you have shot them subsequently. thats a great workflow help for architectural use with shift cameras. with normal mf cameras usually one white reference is enough for all lenses, at least with my 5 contax and 4 hassy lenses it works with one reference.
two color profiles are used for the conversion and they are seamingless blended, a.e. you can take one profile ( made with a color checker ) with daylight and one profile with tungsten light and the dngconverter blends from one to the other profile, depending on the color temperature you have used meanwhile shooting.
it implements in the *.dng files highlight information, meanwhile other programms cut them out after a certain point, stephan is providing these informarions to the conversion program ( as lightroom or whatever ) in a form that it can recover highlights mostly perfect neutral. so it gains about 1 till 2 stops !!! compared to the files from other software /manfufactors .
thats an absolute great feature, you have not longer to care much about clouds and windows,- it works really impressive well.
there are several other little tools available from brumbaer.
one tool let you find to each *.ia file the corresponding *.br file. usefull for sinar owners, not worth to explain here...
one tool for tethered shooting. simple but functional.
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I do sell Hasselblad, Leaf and Sinar.
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That is good for me to know. However, I tried to find your web and only found the PPR Digital Renting Equipment, perhaps
you can reply with the right web address.
Hasselblad did have DVD tutorials, but it was some time ago, and now mostly out of date.
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Even though it's out-dated, I would appreciate if you could find a copy for me
and of course, I am not asking for FREE!
We are working on Quicktime tutorials for each of these product lines right now, and hope to have them available soon.
Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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That is what would most of us appreciate to see, companies educating customers so that they waste less endurance deciding, and
it will be perfect because it will work both ways. Good example for everybody to follow your footsteps!
Regards
Danijela
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Anyone wondering were digital is now Vs film for architecture, consider this:
http://www.viewpictures.co.uk (http://www.viewpictures.co.uk)
Yair
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Shame, I just got from UK last week here in North America hoping to have
the system ready by 1 of March but I see it could easily turn in to a bit longer
and it's all mostly because of the Digital Back.
Perhaps, after the PMA.
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Phase One[/span] - I don't know anybody here from Phase, is there someone?
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
Who is representing SINAR/HASSELBLAD/PHASE/LEAF at the PMA? His/Her Contact would be appreciated so that we have all the adapters prepared and ready. I am planing to have my system in time so I can test e75,H3D 39/P45+/Aptus75 with ALPA and 24XL or 28HR but in truth with regards to lenses it looks more like the 28HR is the one.
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At viewpictures.com there is a lot of pictures, but:
You can order transparencies!
There are some digital produced pictures, but most of them are not.
So what did you mean, yaya??
Michael
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from the viewpicture page...:
"VIEW is holding an open day for new and existing photographers on Thursday 22nd February 2007 between 12pm and 6pm.
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There will be a Property Release expert on hand to answer questions, and two digital retailers (Leaf and Teamwork) to showcase the latest digital camera equipment and techniques."
Yair..i assume you will be there..i was going to go but unfortunately will be in switzerland on a shoot (not that unfortunately!!) so won't be able to make it...i'll get in touch with you in the future when I'm looking for a db..still shooting film for now for the larger stuff.
Marc
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What I meant is that some of the people who own this organization use digital and on the day mentioned there will be digital equipment available for testing and reps for discussing the various options and issues.
Yair
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Hi Yair,
Is that gathering something they do have once a year or...?
I will be in London UK on 26th of March
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Yair,
Is that gathering something they do have once a year or...?
I will be in London UK on 26th of March
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela..you can contact view pictures directly regarding the event.
marc
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I am not sure if anybody interested in ALPA has experienced dealers
tendency towards Schneider Lenses, I am not complaining I know
Schneider Lenses are good but what is the deal here if I prefer
Rodenstock and they keep pushing for Schneider?
Is there a better returning policy? or... more profit, what is the deal?
Is it only me or you guys have felt the same way about it?
By the away I know they have tendency towards Leaf Backs also, but for me
bottom line is less cables with Leaf then P45, but then less cables with H3D/e75 also.
At least I am happy to be in time for PMA which is much better opportunity for me
at this point.
Regards
Danijela
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I have used the 58xl on my view camera with the Leaf Aptus back. It was not a very detailed shot but did look good.
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Are we taking about rendition or lack of resolution, what excatly do you find missing when used with digital?
Regards
Danijela
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Picture of the 28HR.
Weighs in at 875 grams,the 24XL is 305 grams.
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Hi William,
I must say 24XL looks like a jewel and probably better on ALPA 12SWA but 28HR is one serious lens.
I will probably go with 28HR, but what about 35XL any thoughts?
Thank you
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela..you can contact view pictures directly regarding the event.
marc
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Hi Marc,
Since I am definitely missing this one, I thought Yair is part of the program and that he may know the future schedule.
Thanks anyway
Regards
Danijela
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the brumbaer tool is reducing the needs for a mf back software to its absolutely minimum, but delivering the optimum in quality. little bit like good valve amplifiers.....
1. it safes the raw files from the back to the hard disc, without converting them to any other format as *.mos or *.sti or whatever. so you can save the pure imager data for archiving.
the dng converter also reads and converts to dng the files written by capture shop,- also files from the 54H back ( but not so sophisticated till now ) as well as emotion 22+75 ( here it works "perfect").
2. it writes after that *.dng files, meanwhile the writing procedure is removed the centerfold stitch from the dalsa sensor ( a software code the leaf programmers havent been able to write or to COPY till now... greatings to yaya here :,- ). also it is possible - if desired - to calculate in the dng a white reference shot , similar as capture does with its lcc and leaf with its gain adjuster,- but in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure moise and other things.
the white references are used in the right moment in a batch, so you have not to care about them after you have shot them subsequently. thats a great workflow help for architectural use with shift cameras. with normal mf cameras usually one white reference is enough for all lenses, at least with my 5 contax and 4 hassy lenses it works with one reference.
two color profiles are used for the conversion and they are seamingless blended, a.e. you can take one profile ( made with a color checker ) with daylight and one profile with tungsten light and the dngconverter blends from one to the other profile, depending on the color temperature you have used meanwhile shooting.
it implements in the *.dng files highlight information, meanwhile other programms cut them out after a certain point, stephan is providing these informarions to the conversion program ( as lightroom or whatever ) in a form that it can recover highlights mostly perfect neutral. so it gains about 1 till 2 stops !!! compared to the files from other software /manfufactors .
thats an absolute great feature, you have not longer to care much about clouds and windows,- it works really impressive well.
there are several other little tools available from brumbaer.
one tool let you find to each *.ia file the corresponding *.br file. usefull for sinar owners, not worth to explain here...
one tool for tethered shooting. simple but functional.
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Theoretically it is pretty straightforward to digest. I will see how everything makes sense in the real life scenario.
I didn't know that e75 has internal storage capacity. That is actually very, very good idea. How many MB? how does it hold in the winter?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Thierry,
Are e75 files compatible with Lightroom?
If the answer is no, what about the near future?
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Phase One[/span] - I don't know anybody here from Phase, is there someone? Where is the dazzling Praetorian Guard?
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
Using digital back in cold/warm weather with the ground glass off and on, how does the DB hold in the winter/summer/moisture/particles/etc.? Perhaps Cambo, Gottschalt, Linhof 679 are using Sliding Adapters and therefore there is no need for removing the GG, but that's not the case with ALPA.
I would appreciate your opinion on the camera such as ALPA or any other for that matter when used without the sliding adapter, how do the associated DBs hold
under these conditions.
Thank you
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
the eMotion 75 has an internal storage capacity of 6 GB (the e22 has 4 GB). The important point is that it is not a harddrive memory, subject to shocks and mechanical problems. It is a very secure hard state memory.
The other nice thing of this is that this internal 6 GB are used as a buffer: means you won't have any slowndown while shooting. Shoot at full speed until this internal memory is full, without any slowdown.
Hope this answers.
Thierry
Theoretically it is pretty straightforward to digest. I will see how everything makes sense in the real life scenario.
I didn't know that e75 has internal storage capacity. That is actually very, very good idea. How many MB? how does it hold in the winter?
Regards
Danijela
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hi Danijela,
Yes, Lightroom supports dng's coming from the eMotion backs (75 or 22): as explained by Rainer's workflow in his post above.
Interesting to read is Sefan's (Brumbaer) opinion on dng files in the tread "MFDB and DNG":
here the link:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....topic=13131&hl= (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13131&hl=)
thierry
Hi Thierry,
Are e75 files compatible with Lightroom?
If the answer is no, what about the near future?
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
the eMotion 75 has an internal storage capacity of 6 GB (the e22 has 4 GB). The important point is that it is not a harddrive memory, subject to shocks and mechanical problems. It is a very secure hard state memory.
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[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Excellent, excellent idea!!![/span] Also, Sinar needs to improve their screen and perhaps make it a bit bigger like the one LEAF has.
I am sorry but so many people fall for Leaf DBs just because of the 6x7 Screen, including myself. If they didn't have their CF/Software issues/etc., I know Leaf DB would top my list for sure.
Of course their mistake is permissible, but the way they handled it it's not.
The other nice thing of this is that this internal 6 GB are used as a buffer: means you won't have any slowndown while shooting. Shoot at full speed until this internal memory is full, without any slowdown.
Hope this answers.
Thierry
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So the speed of the CF card is of no advantage/value in this case. What about
the speed of the frame per second, is it improved because of the secure hard state memory?
Is Sinar coming out with the new model like P45+/A75s or something like that,
and what should we expect to see. I hope they will have it on PMA.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
the eMotion backs are usually used with a sliding adapter.
As for my experience under hot/cold temp conditions, here my experiences (as a photographer, not as Sinar's rep. ):
- I have been assisting Rainer in his Suvarnabhumi airport shooting under extrem hot temperatures and humidity, and sometimes extrem dusty conditions with the trucks around, in Bangkok last year. We had days with 50°C. The issue you have to care about at this temperatures is the noise produced with e22, (the e75 is less an issue): shooting as much as possible with nominal ISO (50) and creating a black reference for each image (the eMotion allows it) is reducing the noise level to the minimum possible. Rainer can certainly extrapolate here.
- Cold conditions: the only issue I had under very cold (-15°C or under) weather conditions is the batteries' life time which can be reduced dramatically. It's advicable to keepp them warm.
But that was by using the back on Rainer's Gotschalk with or on the Sinar m MF camera, this was not with an Alpa.
Thierry
Using digital back in cold/warm weather
Thank you
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
Some information about the display used on eMotion backs: it is smaller than the one on Aptus, that's for sure. But then I would suggest you to go out and test and compare it on location. We are not using a display with LCD technology, but an OLED display (Organic Light Emitting Diode). Advantages are that you can view it from any angle and general brightness is about 1 stop higher. I dont say that it is sufficient under sunny conditions, but brighter.
Shooting Rate: it is improved in the sense that you won't have any slowdown: the internal memory of 6 GB is the buffer, and as long it is not full you can shoot (0.9sec/frame with the e22 and 1.4 sec/frame with the e75), continuously!
I must say here that we are always working on issues like speed and shooting rate, but IMO, the little sign "+" we have it since the begining , and I hope I won't be accused to try to sell a product. Anyway: try and see by yourself.
Then: we are effectively coming out with our own "+" series, the eMotion 54 LV and the new eMotion 75 LV, in April. So the chance that you see them at PMA is slim. What's new? These 2 new eMotion backs will first have Live Video capability, but not only. They are fitted with new internal electronic hardware improving quality and high ISO.
Speed of CF cards/ shooting rate: of course, this is important as well. You have the choice to write/store your files 3 different ways in the eMotion:
- Internal Storage Only
- Internal Storage AND CF Card
- CF Card
For the 2 last the speed of the CF card is of importance. However, you can still continue shooting while it is writing on CF card, because you have these 6 GB "kind of Buffer".
Best,
Thierry
[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Excellent, excellent idea!!![/span] Also, Sinar needs to improve their screen and perhaps make it a bit bigger like the one LEAF has.
I am sorry but so many people fall for Leaf DBs just because of the 6x7 Screen, including myself. If they didn't have their CF/Software issues/etc., I know Leaf DB would top my list for sure.
Of course their mistake is permissible, but the way they handled it it's not.
So the speed of the CF card is of no advantage/value in this case. What about
the speed of the frame per second, is it improved because of the secure hard state memory?
Is Sinar coming out with the new model like P45+/A75s or something like that,
and what should we expect to see. I hope they will have it on PMA.
Regards
Danijela
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with e75+e22 no issues in cold weather ( -5 till -10 degrees, colder havent used it ). i was not aware of shortened battery life, although for sure it should be so, but at least at this temperatures not dramatically.
in hot weather with the e22 longer exposures than 4 seconds showed noise in temperatures over 40degrees ( if the back- body + electronic got hot cause beeing hours in this temperature ) ,- was not aware of problems here with the e75.
no problems with moisture,- even when i had to wait 30 minutes till the lenses became dry for condensation.
the oled display helps, the image is still visible in sunlight,- but you have to increase the brightness to 5 where the letters are difficult to read and to see the motif good you have still to shade with your hands.
but its better than the other mf displays i know for exterior work. for interior i would be happy also with a bigger display as the leaf has,- on the other hand the viewing angle of the sinar display and its brightness is thn very good.
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Hi Marc,
Since I am definitely missing this one, I thought Yair is part of the program and that he may know the future schedule.
Thanks anyway
Regards
Danijela
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No, I am not a part of the programme,
Some of these people use digital backs which is why they know us and why they've invited us to attend the open day.
I hope this helps
Yair
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( a software code the leaf programmers havent been able to write or to COPY till now... greatings to yaya here :,- ).
I think we've been through this discussion before and my advice would be to stick to what you KNOW and not to what you DON'T know.
We already have two different tools for dealing with this issue and they both deal with it quite well (and fast), while keeping the RAW file as a RAW so it can still be processed through LeafCapture, Raw Developer, ACR, LightRoom, Bibble etc.
Nothing is perfect (yet). Still, to blame someone for copying without knowing what you're talking about is a dangerous game.
Best regards,
Yair
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I think we've been through this discussion before and my advice would be to stick to what you KNOW and not to what you DON'T know.
We already have two different tools for dealing with this issue and they both deal with it quite well (and fast), while keeping the RAW file as a RAW so it can still be processed through LeafCapture, Raw Developer, ACR, LightRoom, Bibble etc.
Nothing is perfect (yet). Still, to blame someone for copying without knowing what you're talking about is a dangerous game.
Best regards,
Yair
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i dont think i am blaming you, although you did that several times with my work in a direct or indirect way. which is i.m.o. for a representant of a well reputated company as leaf maybe not "dangerous" but for sure bad taste ( whats the hell you want to say with the word "dangerous" ?? ) . it is bad and unfair behavor to blame images from me or my work in general in the public in a consciently wrong way, just because it has been shown by another company. same about your last post against my work,- although here even not beeing brave enough to use my name in that discussion. know what i mean?
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With regard to the Leaf screen. Yes, it is large but it also has a few drawbacks.
When using the DB outside the image on the screen is very quickly difficult to see. Just a little bit more light will render it virtually useless.
Inside however it is a very nice usable screen.
When your work is mainly outside I would definitely opt for a quality screen even if it is significantly smaller or learn to use histograms well.
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I think it's important here to inform that "rehnniar" has been much involved and closely worked together with Stefan Hess to write and develop the Brumbaer Tools to overcome and solve the sensor's centrefold effect he had with his eMotion back
It was a day after day work over the whole period of his shooting of the Bangkok airport. Certainly a long process of testing and improving the software, step by step. Sometimes going the wrong way, sometimes making progress.
This software has been written to correct and eliminate the now famous "Centrefold" effect, as well as to find a way to integrate an automatic correction of colour casts issues (due to lenses or shifts) by applying "white references" on images in a batch and fully automated process and workflow. In addition, he helped also to develop the integrated highlight recovery in these Brumbaer software, keeping details in otherwise burnt out parts of the images, due to the way other softwares cut off the highlights.
Stefan Hess was then kind enough to accept to work together with Sinar to integrate his code as well in our Captureshop software to solve the sensor's centrefold effect problem as well with our soft. I think this qualifies Rainer to speak about this problem and how Stefan and him solved it.
Thierry
the brumbaer tool is reducing the needs for a mf back software to its absolutely minimum, but delivering the optimum in quality. little bit like good valve amplifiers.....
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edited my older post a little bit to calm something here.
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the brumbaer tool is reducing the needs for a mf back software to its absolutely minimum, but delivering the optimum in quality. little bit like good valve amplifiers.....
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His tools, are they part of the Sianr's new EXPOSURE software?
1. it safes the raw files from the back to the hard disc, without converting them to any other format as *.mos or *.sti or whatever. so you can save the pure imager data for archiving.
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[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']:Before we open the files in Lightroom:[/span]
Assuming the photos are already exposed and you are on the way to Home/Studio/etc. Am I right in saying that at the very beginning you can bypass Sinars Capture Shop software if you have Braumbaer Tools?
If so, with the Braumbaer Tools I can save the raw files to HD,DVD,etc. without converting them to any other format as *.mos or *.sti or whatever, Basically I can save the pure images data for archiving without literally any modification/irritation.
the dng converter also reads and converts to dng the files written by capture shop,- also files from the 54H back ( but not so sophisticated till now ) as well as emotion 22+75 ( here it
works "perfect").
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So the Brumbear Tools dng converter also reads and converts to dng the files written by capture shop. Is this the time where CF/Lcc/are Corected. If so,
does it mean that the nue files/images or already archived from Capture Shop are still showing the CF issue and if, why use Capture Shop at all if that is the case?
Second thought,
Is CF issue apparent in the Capture Shop Raw files and when converted to dng still the same story happens because of the poor conversion/correction or else...?
and therefore Brumbear Tools are there just complimenting the whole process with aid to correct the apparent flaws. If that is the case, I strongly hope you can use the Brumbear Tools by it self.
2. it writes after that *.dng files, meanwhile the writing procedure is removed the centerfold stitch from the dalsa sensor ( a software code the leaf programmers havent wrote till now... greatings to yaya here :,- ). also it is possible - if desired - to calculate in the dng a white reference shot , similar as capture does with its lcc and leaf with its gain adjuster,- but in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure moise and other things.
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Do you mean when the files are open in Brumbear Tools as a raw file images, Brumbear Tools writes after that *.dng files, and during this writing procedure centerfold stitch is removed from the dalsa sensor, so that basically all of the files are clean without the flaws, or is it something entirely different where you have to correct the files yourself individually with the Brumbear Tools using/saving associated reference profiles/etc.
also it is possible - if desired - to calculate in the dng a white reference shot , similar as capture does with its lcc and leaf with its gain adjuster,- but in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure moise and other things.
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Very nice, to calculate in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure how?, in what way?
the white references are used in the right moment in a batch, so you have not to care about them after you have shot them subsequently. thats a great workflow help for architectural use with shift cameras. with normal mf cameras usually one white reference is enough for all lenses, at least with my 5 contax and 4 hassy lenses it works with one reference.
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What is the speed of batch processing per image using e75 Files. I know Phase: CaptureOne is very fast software, however I was not impressed with the speed of single file when Batch processing much less when you have hundreds of images.
it implements in the *.dng files highlight information, meanwhile other programms cut them out after a certain point, stephan is providing these informarions to the conversion program ( as lightroom or whatever ) in a form that it can recover highlights mostly perfect neutral. so it gains about 1 till 2 stops !!! compared to the files from other software /manfufactors . thats an absolute great feature, you have not longer to care much about clouds and windows,- it works really impressive well.
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I am so excited about this one because every camera you use today somehow feels like you are missing highlights, perfect exposure included. I basically
have to sandwich 3 or more images to recover highlights in some parts, if brumbaer tools can improve the highlights that much so that I don't have to worry as much about clouds and windows just like you said, then that is really, really NICE!!!.
there are several other little tools available from brumbaer.
one tool let you find to each *.ia file the corresponding *.br file. usefull for sinar owners, not worth to explain here...
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Love to know about it a bit more. Is there a SINAR FORUM?
one tool for tethered shooting. simple but functional.
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Oh, almost forgot to ask about tethered shooting, Do you need a cable with e75 or is it wireless?
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']SCREEN SHOTS!!![/span] on the above procedure would really HELP since I don't even have the software, it is all theoretical at this point but you guys realize, it is very important!!!
Perhaps, Thierry could post some too?
If you guys don't feel comfortable about the Screen Shots or any of the subjects above, you can send it through PM.
REGARDS
Danijela
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With regard to the Leaf screen. Yes, it is large but it also has a few drawbacks.
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I agree but I was referring to the 6x7 actual area as something desirable by others including myself, not their quality.
When using the DB outside the image on the screen is very quickly difficult to see. Just a little bit more light will render it virtually useless.
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I know but Leaf is not the only one on this one. Which Digital Back do you use?
Inside however it is a very nice usable screen.
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I agree.
When your work is mainly outside I would definitely opt for a quality screen even if it is significantly smaller or learn to use histograms well.
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I am planning to shoot tethered with a little monster Mac. But cruising Morocco/etc. you can't just set-up your system in the middle of the street and behave like: yes, that happens every other minute. People get intimidated by any kind of equipment wherever you go, not only Morocco. That is where nice 6x7 would come handy. Learning to use histograms well is imperative these days. Do you have any short-cut/literature/Books/Links to suggest.
Regards
Danijela
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His tools, are they part of the Sianr's new EXPOSURE software?
i think that codes will be implemented, but thierry has to speak here.
Assuming the photos are already exposed and you are on the way to Home/Studio/etc. Am I right in saying that at the very beginning you can bypass Sinars Capture Shop software if you have Braumbaer Tools?
yes.
If so, with the Braumbaer Tools I can save the raw files to HD,DVD,etc. without converting them to any other format as *.mos or *.sti or whatever, Basically I can save the pure images data for archiving without literally any modification/irritation.
yes.
So the Brumbear Tools dng converter also reads and converts to dng the files written by capture shop. Is this the time where CF/Lcc/are Corected.
only with .sti files from the aerea where captureshop has not had the cf-removal code implemented, but it use the same code form stephan since several months.
If so,
does it mean that the nue files/images or already archived from Capture Shop are still showing the CF issue and if, why use Capture Shop at all if that is the case?
no. captureshop removes the cf issue in any case, in the same way as the programm from stephan.
Second thought,
Is CF issue apparent in the Capture Shop Raw files and when converted to dng still the same story happens because of the poor conversion/correction or else...?
and therefore Brumbear Tools are there just complimenting the whole process with aid to correct the apparent flaws. If that is the case, I strongly hope you can use the Brumbear Tools by it self.
you can sue the tools by itself, but as i said before. the .sti files already dont have anymore the cf issue.
Do you mean when the files are open in Brumbear Tools as a raw file images, Brumbear Tools writes after that *.dng files, and during this writing procedure centerfold stitch is removed from the dalsa sensor, so that basically all of the files are clean without the flaws, or is it something entirely different where you have to correct the files yourself individually with the Brumbear Tools using/saving associated reference profiles/etc.
so is it. means: you have not to do anything to remove the cf effect, it is corrected automatically in every file. no white shots or whatevere are nessesary therefor.
Very nice, to calculate in a very sophisticated way regarding long time exposure how?, in what way?
well, to explain this in detail leads to far. but to give an easy example: if the white shot is a long exposure a.e. with 20 seconds the white refence itself will show noise. if you do not remove it, it will be added to the noise the image data shows . it makes a substantiell difference for the final image which "quality" has the white file. sounds easy, but in practice appear many sideeffects if you just "denoise" them.
What is the speed of batch processing per image using e75 Files. I know Phase: CaptureOne is very fast software, however I was not impressed with the speed of single file when Batch processing much less when you have hundreds of images.
i have not my g5 quad here, only my g4 laptop 1,67Ghz power pc.
it needs for one e75 file conversion to dng: 13seconds. here a white reference file was used during the conversion.
I am so excited about this one because every camera you use today somehow feels like you are missing highlights, perfect exposure included. I basically
have to sandwich 3 or more images to recover highlights in some parts, if brumbaer tools can improve the highlights that much so that I don't have to worry as much about clouds and windows just like you said, then that is really, really NICE!!!.
yes it is great.
Love to know about it a bit more. Is there a SINAR FORUM?
yes there is one, although i dont know how it runs cause i am never there.
Oh, almost forgot to ask about tethered shooting, Do you need a cable with e75 or is it wireless?
firewire cable.
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']SCREEN SHOTS!!![/span] on the above procedure would really HELP since I don't even have the software, it is all theoretical at this point but you guys realize, it is very important!!!
what will show you the screenshots more than you cant see in the programm itself?
you can download it here:
http://www.brumbaer.de/Tools/Tools.html (http://www.brumbaer.de/Tools/Tools.html)
there are newer versions available if you mail to stephan, but no difference from the user interface. ( brumbaer@brumbaer.de )
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Rollei Lenses are interchangeable with ALPA 12SWA which is good news, but
are they interchangeable with Sinar Hy6 since Rollei/Sinar are using the same platform.
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Phase One[/span] - I don't know anybody here from Phase, is there someone? Where is the dazzling Praetorian Guard?
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
Using digital back in cold/warm weather with the ground glass off and on, how does the DB hold in the winter/summer/moisture/particles/etc.? Perhaps Cambo, Gottschalt, Linhof 679 are using Sliding Adapters and therefore there is no need for removing the GG, but that's not the case with ALPA.
I would appreciate your opinion on the camera such as ALPA or any other for that matter when used without the sliding adapter, how do the associated DBs hold
under these conditions.
Thank you
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela,
With all these WA camera/ lenses combinations, there is no much use for a ground glass, because for most working apertures, anything from 5m is "infinity".
The rear element sits very close to the sensor and adding a sliding back means that infinity focus cannot be achieved.
Some photographers use distance meters (laser, ultrasonic etc.) and the framing is done through a viewfinder accessory of some sort.
When using longer lenses and when having to achieve critical focus, we recommend using Live Video View, but this requires tethering the back to a computer.
Using a ground glass and taking the back off/ on the camera: of course there's the risk of dropping it or scrathing the IR filter. Dust is less of an issue since cleaning the IR filter is dead easy.
I hope this helps
Yair
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I agree but I was referring to the 6x7 actual area as something desirable by others including myself, not their quality.
I know but Leaf is not the only one on this one. Which Digital Back do you use?
I agree.
I am planning to shoot tethered with a little monster Mac. But cruising Morocco/etc. you can't just set-up your system in the middle of the street and behave like: yes, that happens every other minute. People get intimidated by any kind of equipment wherever you go, not only Morocco. That is where nice 6x7 would come handy. Learning to use histograms well is imperative these days. Do you have any short-cut/literature/Books/Links to suggest.
Regards
Danijela
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I use the Aptus17. Yes 6x7 might be desirable but if it cannot be seen or when it is impossible to judge what you have done even the largest screen renders worthless.
In Morocco during daylight I am quite sure you are better of with the Oled display of the Sinar than both the Mac or the Aptus screen. Maybe a really small camera or waist level system is even better over there
I find myself using the screen only for checking whether I nailed the composition I had in mind and the histogram to see whether I have a workable file. I rarely have the time to check other things like focus, etc.. Things where you really need a big screen for, I found it too time consuming to zoom in and start looking around in my images. For this a 6x7 image is too small as well. Naturally working methods are different for most people so this might not apply to you.
I almost forgot another nuisance. Try changing settings on your back with a touchscreen that is really hard to read.
Besides this, which is not a dealbreaker for me (and slow software which is far more aggravating) I am very happy with my Leaf back.
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The rear element sits very close to the sensor and adding a sliding back means that infinity focus cannot be achieved.
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This is true for some lens/shutter combinations and not for others. An example is the HR 35 lens from Rodenstock in copal 0 that will focus to infinity with a sliding back, but not the schneider 35. Then again i dont know if the schneider will do so in the specially designed lensboard for electronic shutters...
I would definitely use the "test and see for yourself" procedure when it comes to infinity focus using a sliding back. Also the schneiders are a lot cheaper than the rodenstock alternatives (at least at my dealer they are?)
If you are set on the ALPA, then this is of no concern to you.
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live image dont work at daylight.
computer displays dont work on daylight, aside thatits really not very practical to work tethered for exterior shootings..
so remain three solutions:
1. work with viewfinders
2. groundglass with interchangeable back( with fresnell screens, otherwise lenses as the 24xl, 28hr or 35xl or hr will remain very dark )
3. sliding backs.
1. viewfinders:
for some reasons its a question of adaption to work with viewfinders. but there reamin several disadvantages with them ( aside that leica has a great viefinder, the 21-28, which equals the f.o.v of 28+35mm lenses on 645 sensors ):
distortion and unexact framing does not allow serious image composition, you have to do that with using the viewfinder fortheapp. views, than shooting, seeing the lcd ( nearly impossible in sunlight with dark lcds ), adjusting new seeing the lcd and so on....
its simply not fun although possible.
you dont see what you shift. have to do that after your feeling and experience "blind". ofcourse works also but ame than above, no fun for composing images.
2. groundglass with interchangeable back:
as yaya said its not without risc for crashing the back, esp. in complicate environments if someone -as i do - often work in narrow ambients as cranes, scaffords.
maybe psychologic but i dont like much to remove my sensor on location therefore.
dust is a problem on a site allways, if there still is some construction ( or cleaning ) work around. the sensors are easy to claen, but not so easy to control if there is fine dust on them or not.
3. sliding backs: they are bulky and many dont allow the ultrawides as 24,28+35xl/hr lenses. but they allow image composition , if you have them with fressnell, bellow and loupe.
i dont know if there is one for the cambo . with the alpas there is no sliding baqck available.
my sliding back for the gottschalt is a prototype, sure he would make another one if someone want to order it. it works fine after i added the fresnell screen to it.
as my friend michael heinrich said some days ago here in the forum, there is a reason why so many architecture shooters still prefer film. the problem of image composition is one of this reasons. many prefer the huge image on a 4x5" or even on a 6x9cm screen so much that they dont want to give that up. i understand it... its not an easy deal to change that habbit.
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Rollei Lenses are interchangeable with ALPA 12SWA which is good news, but
are they interchangeable with Sinar Hy6 since Rollei/Sinar are using the same platform.
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
Any Rollei lens that can be mounted on the 6008 (AF or not AF) can also be mounted on the new Sinar Hy6.
Best regards,
thierry
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Rainer[/span]
Att:[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\'] Yaya[/span]
I appreciate your reply but as you may be aware from the previous posts, I
was originally looking for the 4x5 system with quad-stitch Sliding Adapter
particularly when working on the Perspective of different viewpoints including the Scheimpflug
effect which you can't actually guess without the Ground Glass, at least I know I can't.
Now I see, I will probably end up with two ALPAS XY, ALPA 12SWA.
I need one for its modest size, mobility, so that I can walk if need be and use it like
a Leica only MF, etc. and the other for movement and precision.
Well, anybody here using ALPA XY? Probably, better chance in future.
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Rainer[/span]
Att:[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\'] Yaya[/span]
I appreciate your reply but as you may be aware from the previous posts, I
was originally looking for the 4x5 system with quad-stitch Sliding Adapter
particularly when working on the Perspective of different viewpoints including the Scheimpflug
effect which you can't actually guess without the Ground Glass, at least I know I can't.
Now I see, I will probably end up with two ALPAS XY, ALPA 12SWA.
I need one for its modest size, mobility, so that I can walk if need be and use it like
a Leica only MF, etc. and the other for movement and precision.
Well, anybody here using ALPA XY? Probably, better chance in future.
Regards
Danijela
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I assume the alpas can only shift in the vertical and horizontal and therefore give no tilt option so the Scheimpflug effect will not be of concern.
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The ingenius design of Arca-Swiss' R series offers tilt, and eliminates the need for each lens to have a dedicated/expensive helicoid for focusing:
http://www.precisioncameraworks.com/Pages/...l#photokina2006 (http://www.precisioncameraworks.com/Pages/arca_core.html#photokina2006)
Rainer, Would you ask Gottschalt if they have similar solution?
Billy
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I assume the alpas can only shift in the vertical and horizontal and therefore give no tilt option so the Scheimpflug effect will not be of concern.
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I am so focused on 4x5 Ebony for some reason, but nevertheless you could be right. I have to talk to somebody today. The problem is,
not many people using ALPA 12SWA and even less the new ALPA XY on this forum.
Perhaps, Michael Kravit or Yevgeny can answer on this one.
Scheimpflug effect doesn't concern me at all if I am in position to use the
Quad-Stitching Sliding Adapter. The problem is that Quad-Stitch adapter is
an excellent idea for 4x5 shooters but not a good performer yet apparently.
I guess Tilt-Shift is much less important for Landscapes but in Architecture I found it
to be something special, something extra that will draw your eyes right away, especially
when playing with perspective.
Regards
Danijela
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the arca looks great..... no dont think that this fits in gottschalts programm. he has nothing similar.
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I am so focused on 4x5 Ebony for some reason, but nevertheless you could be right.
I guess Tilt-Shift is much less important for Landscapes but in Architecture I found it
to be something special, something extra that will draw your eyes right away, especially
when playing with perspective.
Regards
Danijela
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This is why it is so very imporatant that you choose the camera platform that does everything you require of it..and in high end architectural terms..if you require the ability to tilt then you must work with a set up that allows you to do so..the choice between film or digital must be secondary to that...i believe.
marc
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Rainer[/span]
Att:[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\'] Yaya[/span]
I appreciate your reply but as you may be aware from the previous posts, I
was originally looking for the 4x5 system with quad-stitch Sliding Adapter
particularly when working on the Perspective of different viewpoints including the Scheimpflug
effect which you can't actually guess without the Ground Glass, at least I know I can't.
Now I see, I will probably end up with two ALPAS XY, ALPA 12SWA.
I need one for its modest size, mobility, so that I can walk if need be and use it like
a Leica only MF, etc. and the other for movement and precision.
Well, anybody here using ALPA XY? Probably, better chance in future.
Regards
Danijela
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Hello Danijela,
I am using a 12SWA and will be buying the XY as soon as funds allow.
About framing... I compose in my mind the image I want, place the camera and tripod without the use of a viewfinder or groundglass, choose a lens that will properly "crop" the image I have imagined, and then take several test captures looking at the P45 screen to fine tune the composition. During those captures I also a fine tuning focus and exposure.
I have given up Scheimpflug, but I only miss it occasionally. It has taken a long time to get used to the lenses and digital back. I can more effectively visualize the final image better when I am more familiar with the lenses I am using.
The 12SWA is a great camera. I think the lack of side to side shifting is more of a loss than the loss of Swings and Tilts. This is why I will buy the XY.
The XY is only about 8.5" x 11". It will slide into a sleeve that holds a laptop computer. Many camera bags now accommodate laptops. In some sense then, it is smaller than other cameras with the lens and DB removed because it is flat. I have the 24, 35, 47, 60, 100, 12SWA, P45, Carbon tripod, and accessories in one airline carry-on bag. If I open the lid, the XY could lay right on top.
I do not envy you making this choice. Each camera and DB has it's drawbacks and advantages.
I would prefer to have a system where the lenses could be attached to something like the Alpa or Cambo, and then also to the Rollie X-ACT 2 with simple lens board adapters. I loved that my 4x5 lenses would fit on any 4x5 ever made. Now I have a proprietary lens system which would be expensive to adapt to another camera, and equally so to sell and re-buy the lenses under another brand of camera.
As for the Quad-Stitch, I think it is too time comsuming. These cameras offer speed and quality. Rather than shooting a quad on a 4x5, put the smaller digitar on the Alpa and get the shot in one picture. You will spend less time in capture, and less time in post (Post will kill you if you are not carefull in your shooting). Time is money of course Quad stitching is also not forgiving to moving clouds, cars, people, light, and trees blowing in the wind. It will therefore limit your creative choices in making images to a much larger degree than not have swings and tilts.
Good Luck.
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Why Not!
I use live video and a laptop out doors all the time.
1) live video all you need to do is place a cheap piece of +4 ND over the lens during composing the image.
2) I just use a dark cloth over the laptop to view out doors. Just as easy as working with a dark cloth over a 4x5.
live image dont work at daylight.
computer displays dont work on daylight, aside thatits really not very practical to work tethered for exterior shootings..
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Why Not!
I use live video and a laptop out doors all the time.
1) live video all you need to do is place a cheap piece of +4 ND over the lens during composing the image.
2) I just use a dark cloth over the laptop to view out doors. Just as easy as working with a dark cloth over a 4x5.
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simply a horrible idea in difficult environments. possible is much.....
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Dear Danijela,
Any Rollei lens that can be mounted on the 6008 (AF or not AF) can also be mounted on the new Sinar Hy6.
Best regards,
thierry
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What about the beautiful Sinar M Lenses, are they going to fit the Sinar Hy6?
If not, what is the future of M system and how does the Sinar feel about making
something like ALPA 12SWA, able to hand hold with LF lenses in between the Hy6 and Sinar's LF 4x5 which is actually excellent idea. Because, lets say you have SINAR 12SWA and existing 4x5 which you can already turn in to 8x10 without having to purchase two cameras or additional lenses, so practically Sinar will kill three rabbits with one bullet, I think this is structurally and financially viable. Model Based on ALPA will be very easy to manufacture and definitely appealing to many of us, especially if they can build it with the digital rangefinder, but to start even without the digital rangefinder will be an excellent idea to use all cameras with the single selection of ultra fine lenses.
I think you should let SINAR think seriously about this possible addition since
the future SINAR 12SWA doesn't require software electronics etc. and therefore
minimal investment with the substantial opportunity to lead the market without any financial fears.
As you said, Rollei lenses will fit Sinar Hy6 and they do fit ALPA 12SWA which
in another words will fit future SINAR 12SWA.
Now my question is, who or which company other then SINAR is in position to offer marriage of such a beautiful and integrated system?
Hasselblad/Mamiya/Leaf/Phase, I DON'T THINK SO!!!
REGARDS
Danijela
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This is why it is so very imporatant that you choose the camera platform that does everything you require of it..and in high end architectural terms..
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I realize now, it is harder to find the right system then the right Man/Woman.
if you require the ability to tilt then you must work with a set up that allows you to do so..the choice between film or digital must be secondary to that...i believe.
marc
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Let’s understand each other,
Let’s say my choice between film or digital is and will be secondary. The problem
I found is with finding the right Mobile system which as I always like to say is small and
Leica like, with powerful LF lenses. Plus being able to use the very same expensive lenses on tilt and shift camera and it
doesn't have to be 4x5 if the image circle on digital lenses is small, let it be Arca/Linhof 679 or any other company as long as
I can fit my ALPA lenses. Otherwise duplicating lenses is just pure waste.
I just can't believe that we are living in the 21st Century with less then limited solutions to marry the
classic style of photography with the digital attributes and avoid burning money.
Regards
Danijela
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I just can't believe that we are living in the 21st Century with less then limited solutions to marry the
classic style of photography with the digital attributes and avoid burning money.
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This is why I think SINAR is in unique position to change this for good.
Regards
Danijela
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hi Danijela.
The Sinaron Digital AF Zeiss lenses will not fit the Hy6: they have a complete different mount and have been built exclusively for the Sinar m.
The Sinar m will continue, since there are ther thoughts behing it: it is a camera system, fitting as well the LF Sinar, as a electronical shutter with full automated controls (via Sinar m or Captureshop), accepting at the same time lense from Nikon, Hasselblad V and the Zeiss AF.
You idea about a Sinar camera like the Alpa is interesting: I will forward your idea/suggestion.
Thierry
What about the beautiful Sinar M Lenses, are they going to fit the Sinar Hy6?
If not, what is the future of M system and how does the Sinar feel about making
something like ALPA 12SWA, able to hand hold with LF lenses in between the Hy6 and Sinar's LF 4x5 which is actually excellent idea. Because, lets say you have SINAR 12SWA and 4x5 which you can turn in to 8x10 without having to purchase two cameras or additional lenses, so practically Sinar will kill three rabbits with one bullet, I think this is structurally and financially viable. Model Based on ALPA will be very easy to manufacture and definitely appealing to many of us, especially if they can build it with the digital rangefinder, but to start even without the digital rangefinder will be an excellent idea to use all cameras with the single selection of ultra fine lenses.
I think you should let SINAR think seriously about this possible addition since
the future SINAR 12SWA doesn't require software electronics etc. and therefore
minimal investment with the substantial opportunity to lead the market without any financial fears.
As you said, Rollei lenses will fit Sinar Hy6 and they do fit ALPA 12SWA which
in another words will fit future SINAR 12SWA.
Now my question is, who or which company other then SINAR is in position to offer marriage of such a beautiful and integrated system?
Hasselblad/Mamiya/Leaf/Phase, I DON'T THINK SO!!!
REGARDS
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Rainer[/span]
Could you post some images taken with 35HR and 60HR and if you could
share your thoughts on working with them, including any shortcomings if
any at all?
Regards
Danijela
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I am also thinking of getting the 28HR to have a lens that falls between the 24xl and 35xl. I am also looking at getting the 60hr, but cambo told me I would only have 6mm shift with this lens or have my Schneider 58xl lens converted to fit the cambo. I need something longer then the 47xl and the 72 xl is a big jump in mm. I really like 24 xl but it starts to get soft past F8 - F11
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Hi John,
I am not sure if I understand that you own 47XL as well. If you do, could you post few images taken
with 35XL and 47XL if you own one. If not, I know Eric Zepeda owns 47XL, so I will ask him too.
Oh, one more question: Which of the two 24XL or 35XL gets to be in use most of the time?
Regards
Danijela
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I've been using a Cambo WDS with 35 and 47 digitars and a P25 back.
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Hi Eric,
I would appreciate if you could post some images taken with 47XL and if you could share your thoughts/shortcomings if any at all?
Which version do you own 47XL or 47XL decentered 8mm? I believe there is no
difference in quality only with 47XL decenetred you are able to shift more I guess.
Regards
Danijela
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I heard that [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Seitz[/span] is making parts for ALPA and therefore building a dedicated
6x9 Full Frame Digital Back.
Is this only a rumor or there is some truth in it?
[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Seitz 6x17[/span] is very good idea for landscapes but I don't believe good enough for architecture.
I like the fact that is 6x17 Full Frame, but it is huge, the Hammer Jeep of cameras.
Regards
Danijela
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Ok, I found it.
Seitz 6x17 full frame, but more like a scanning back.
http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/...8/d925/f934.cfm (http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d925/f934.cfm)
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
I know phase makes the scanning back for 4x5 but I don't think its full frame.
Does LEAF or SINAR make scanning backs or not, and are they any good for
architecture?
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Rainer [/span]
Did you have a chance or interest to work with the scanning back by any company
Phase/Leaf/Sinar, and what do you think about it, is it suitable for architecture?
Regards
Danijela
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Does LEAF or SINAR make scanning backs or not, and are they any good for
architecture?
Leaf doesn't make scanning backs anymore.
Scanning backs can produce stunning results, providing that the conditions are right: lots of continous (and stable) light, (very) still subjects, computer+power source for tethering etc.
Yair
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Danijela + Thierry,
Doesn't the solution already exist somewhat in the Sinar Handy?
Billy.
hi Danijela.
The Sinaron Digital AF Zeiss lenses will not fit the Hy6: they have a complete different mount and have been built exclusively for the Sinar m.
The Sinar m will continue, since there are ther thoughts behing it: it is a camera system, fitting as well the LF Sinar, as a electronical shutter with full automated controls (via Sinar m or Captureshop), accepting at the same time lense from Nikon, Hasselblad V and the Zeiss AF.
You idea about a Sinar camera like the Alpa is interesting: I will forward your idea/suggestion.
Thierry
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Hi Danijela, You have a tough choice. H3D is good period and it will only get better.
I have to stick with Phase & Leaf because at the time I purchased them
they were the standard. Not much has changed you could easily say Phase
and Leaf remain standard but I also like the new H3D. never seen a
single e75 in action and I can not comment.
Ciao
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Danijela + Thierry,
Doesn't the solution already exist somewhat in the Sinar Handy?
Billy.
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EXISTED!
The Sinar Handy has been discontinued for about 15 years now.
Thierry
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hi Danijela,
No, neither Leaf nor Sinar have ever had a scanning back. You might still be able to find some second-hand, from different manufacturers, but I would not suggest this solution: as mentioned by many, you need a stabilized continous light source in studio (expensive), and on location you need to make sure that you have absolutely no movement or vibrations. And, ..... you need time: one scan a full res takes around 10 to 20 minutes!
Thierry
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
I know phase makes the scanning back for 4x5 but I don't think its full frame.
Does LEAF or SINAR make scanning backs or not, and are they any good for
architecture?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela, You have a tough choice. H3D is good period and it will only get better.
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I totally agree.
I have to stick with Phase & Leaf because at the time I purchased them
they were the standard. Not much has changed you could easily say Phase
and Leaf remain standard but I also like the new H3D.
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I know everybody is familiar with Phase/Leaf/Hasselblad and if I buy ALPA 12SWA
every dealer is suggesting Schneider Lenses and Leaf Aptus75 so I am waiting on
our fellow photographers to post few more samples so that I can make the wise choice and decide
on the system without regrets, but I guess I have two solid weeks until the PMA in Vegas.
never seen a single e75 in action and I can not comment.
Ciao
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Perhaps, not if you live/work in North America, but in Europe I hear is a different story all together.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela + Thierry,
Doesn't the solution already exist somewhat in the Sinar Handy?
Billy.
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You have the right answer from Thierry. However, thanks for the effort I appreciate it.
Perhaps, soon we will see SINAR 12 SWA Totally COOL & Integrated System maybe even with the Digital/Mechanical Rangefinder Installed.
This time around, Sinar can really make a difference like » Day & Night.
Regards
Danijela
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Between two to five minutes were typical exposures when I used Dicomed and BetterLight scanning backs. Lights didn't need to be expensive as long as they were stabilized with AC line conditioner (APC Line-R 1250 is less than $100).
hi Danijela,
No, neither Leaf nor Sinar have ever had a scanning back. You might still be able to find some second-hand, from different manufacturers, but I would not suggest this solution: as mentioned by many, you need a stabilized continous light source in studio (expensive), and on location you need to make sure that you have absolutely no movement or vibrations. And, ..... you need time: one scan a full res takes around 10 to 20 minutes!
Thierry
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hi Danijela,
No, neither Leaf nor Sinar have ever had a scanning back. You might still be able to find some second-hand, from different manufacturers
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Brand New is outdated, much less second hand. Not for me I guess!
I would not suggest this solution: as mentioned by many, you need a stabilized continous light source in studio (expensive)
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If that is what is required and I don’t need any speed or efficiency, then I am better of with 4x5 film.
and on location you need to make sure that you have absolutely no movement or vibrations.
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I know It’s not only the clouds, but strong wind, sometimes even sub can disturb and give enough vibration to wonder
what happened. So again, I guess it’s not for me.
I will never forget the experience with the Para 170 FB & Para 220 FB umbrellas
on location. The stands for the umbrellas by Broncolor are so fragile and light in another words Mickey Mouse as far
as I am concern, but the system by Broncolor is very, very good. I just hope in future, they do something about their stands.
And, ..... you need time: one scan a full res takes around 10 to 20 minutes!
Thierry
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I was not aware of that, it feels like a never ending story. I thought there was something like Seitz with 2sec. exposure.
Regards
Danijela
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Between two to five minutes were typical exposures when I used Dicomed and BetterLight scanning backs. Lights didn't need to be expensive as long as they were stabilized with AC line conditioner (APC Line-R 1250 is less than $100).
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Frankly, even five minutes is a lot for a single exposure,
unless desired by a photographer.
If Seitz had one with two seconds per exposure, I could live with that,
but they are busy building back for ALPA 6x9 full frame and such.
Regards
Danijela
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I completely forgot to ask about the mount. Because buying a digital back is
bad enough, now it gets worse, which one should I choose? Some say if you buy H mount be careful you can't
use it on V mount , Rollei and visa verse but if you buy V mount
you can use it on RZ, Contax, etc.
I don't understand nothing, because nothing they say make sense.
Any advice appreciated
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela and Yaya,
I use the Alpa SWA with ground glass and Hass. rmfx reflex viewer. I compose on the ground glass, pop it off, and pop on the leaf back. It's a little scary taking the back on and off so many times, but I haven't dropped it yet! This seems to be uncharted territory I'm in, as I'm having to have a custom made bracket to hold the viewer in place on the ground glass. Until I have that, I'm using foam core and tape. Not ideal, but for me, better than the alternatives:
Sliding backs, which won't work on an Alpa anyway, are heavy and clunky, especially if used outside of a studio.
Optical viewfinders have a lot of parralex distortion and provide a pretty tiny view and of course you can't check your focus ( They also add significant weight.) Until there is high quality, untethered live-video, I want to see what I'm photographing through the lens and ground glass. And no matter how wide the lens is, if part of the subject is 2 feet from the lens and part of it is 200 feet away, I need to see what's going on with the focus, not just rely on lens scales or hyper focal charts.
Laser pointers may tell you how far you are from something, but they won't allow you to know where your depth of field lies. It can also be next to impossible to see the little red dot depending on the lighting, distance and environment you're in.
Will Connor
Hi Danijela,
With all these WA camera/ lenses combinations, there is no much use for a ground glass, because for most working apertures, anything from 5m is "infinity".
The rear element sits very close to the sensor and adding a sliding back means that infinity focus cannot be achieved.
Some photographers use distance meters (laser, ultrasonic etc.) and the framing is done through a viewfinder accessory of some sort.
When using longer lenses and when having to achieve critical focus, we recommend using Live Video View, but this requires tethering the back to a computer.
Using a ground glass and taking the back off/ on the camera: of course there's the risk of dropping it or scrathing the IR filter. Dust is less of an issue since cleaning the IR filter is dead easy.
I hope this helps
Yair
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Danijela and Yaya,
I use the Alpa SWA with ground glass and Hass. rmfx reflex viewer.
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Can you post few images of your Hass. rmfx reflex viewer for me to see. I know Horsemann, Toyo & some other company make bino reflex which I was looking if I go with 4x5 Ebony. However, I found yesterday that Horsemann model is discontinued, so I guess I have to look at Toyo/elsewhere and make my options crystal clear.
I think it’s so easier for Fashion photographers, just point and shoot, they can’t possibly be technically more demanding when choosing accessories. However,
once I get the system, I am sure I will enjoy it.
I compose on the ground glass, pop it off, and pop on the leaf back. It's a little scary taking the back on and off so many times, but I haven't dropped it yet!
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That is what I thought I was going to do, but decided no thank you!
Optical viewfinders have a lot of parralex distortion and provide a pretty tiny view and of course you can't check your focus ( They also add significant weight.) Until there is high quality, untethered live-video, I want to see what I'm photographing through the lens and ground glass. And no matter how wide the lens is, if part of the subject is 2 feet from the lens and part of it is 200 feet away, I need to see what's going on with the focus, not just rely on lens scales or hyper focal charts.
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There seem to be rather mixed response on this issue. Yesterday I was talking here about the Leaf 6x7 Screen which I happen to like for a different reasons,
never mind the poor quality, they have to improve otherwise they pray for their own extinction obviously, but at least everybody agrees the size is very appealing. So, at that time it just occurred to me, that if there was no wire between the computer and back when shooting tethered, you end up with practically more control over your image. Therefore, I decided to ask if e75 or H3D 39 which are at the top of my list at this time including any other company for that matter even Seitz, if their DB is able to shoot tethered wirelessly and the least hope I was expecting to find is in P45, and guess what? Apparently P45 is able to do just that. Unfortunately not many P45 users respond here and I can’t talk about it more since I don’t own one and don’t know if it is possible or not.
If that is the truth, Phase guys deserve big + for P45 and I admit they have every right to call it P45+
Laser pointers may tell you how far you are from something, but they won't allow you to know where your depth of field lies. It can also be next to impossible to see the little red dot depending on the lighting, distance and environment you're in.
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Will Connor
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True, which laser do you own? Leica, Bosch, Hillti, etc.
Regards
Danijela
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you were asking for 35+60hr images.
i dont know about the new phase 45 and 30 chips. but the older p25 and all before would have had serious problems with purple fringing with morifs as the posted ones, and i dont think that this improved much, but here should speak owners of p45 better.
in any case this scenes would have been a challenge for softwares which cut highlights as soon one channel exceeds "255" or which show fringing in backlight situations. i woud like too see how they would resolve a scene like the showed one.
download the files here ( full resolution / jpeg compression10 ):
http://www.tangential.de/tests/ (http://www.tangential.de/tests/)
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Hi Eric,
I would appreciate if you could post some images taken with 47XL and if you could share your thoughts/shortcomings if any at all?
Which version do you own 47XL or 47XL decentered 8mm? I believe there is no
difference in quality only with 47XL decenetred you are able to shift more I guess.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Daniela,
I have the 47xl decentered and am very happy with it. It works well in that I try to avoid extreme wides if I can help it, although often in interior work you can't. It has plenty of movement and is well suited to my style of shooting. Lens cast can be an issue and I almost always make a calibration to go with the final shot, even if no cast is apparent.
Best,
Eric
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Danijela,
you don't have to worry about this issue with a Sinarback: we have an adapter plate system allowing you to use the back on any common MF camera body (Hassel V, H, Mamiya, Contax , Rollei, Sinar m, etc ..) and on a LF camera just by changing the adapter plate. It is a fast and easy operation.
So definitively no need to change the back with Sinar!
Wireless data transfer: wait and see. It is one thing to announce it and another to have it, IMO.
Best regards,
Thierry
I completely forgot to ask about the mount. Because buying a digital back is
bad enough, now it gets worse, which one should I choose? Some say if you buy H mount be careful you can't
use it on V mount , Rollei and visa verse but if you buy V mount
you can use it on RZ, Contax, etc.
I don't understand nothing, because nothing they say make sense.
Any advice appreciated
Regards
Danijela
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I think it’s so easier for Fashion photographers, just point and shoot, they can’t possibly be technically more demanding when choosing accessories.
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100% right
On the account of LF lenses you cannot make mistake with
either the Rodenstock or Schneider they are the best that
you can get, period. Architecture is really demanding i know
but if you enjoy it, it is worth the money.
ciao
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you were asking for 35+60hr images.
http://www.tangential.de/tests/ (http://www.tangential.de/tests/)
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Yes, thank you very much.
you were asking for 35+60hr images.
i dont know about the new phase 45 and 30 chips. but the older p25 and all before would have had serious problems with purple fringing with morifs as the posted ones, and i dont think that this improved much, but here should speak owners of p45 better.
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There has to be at least few experienced P45 owners using on this forum LF digital Lenses and you are so right, I agree it's only natural that P45 owners should respond!
I now Leaf guys are loyal to Schneider lenses but never heard a word from P45 users
on any LF digital lenses apart from one respectful owner who I believe would like to remain anonymous and therefore I can't ask him to respond as I respect his decision.
in any case this scenes would have been a challenge for softwares which cut highlights as soon one channel exceeds "255" or which show fringing in backlight situations. i woud like too see how they would resolve a scene like the showed one.
download the files here ( full resolution / jpeg compression10 ):
[a href=\"http://www.tangential.de/tests/]http://www.tangential.de/tests/[/url]
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CaptureShop or Brumbear Tools,
Do they improve the file by default as soon as you upload the image, like:
sharpening, recovering highlights, etc. Because I know that CapturOne does
improve the files especially with regards to sharpness. I must admit when I saw the P45 files in CaptureOne I was impressed by the look, but realized and confirmed later that sharpening was applied by a default. Phase confirmed that you can turn the sharpening off, so that it doesn't work as a default any longer if you don't like it.
One question: are the files that you posted improved in highlights/sharpness/etc. by a default using CaptureShop or Brumbear Tools.
ALPA guys, they want to assure me that if I get ALPA 12SWA I should
go with Leaf Aptus75 and Schneider Lenses. Did you try by any chance HR lenses
with Leaf Aptus75?
Would you ever consider having both 24XL and 28HR?
Because I am leaning towards 28HR but for Morocco type of shooting I feel
24XL is more discreet and I might end up having two.
Thanks again for the response with 35HR & 60HR, hopefully others will post some images taken with Schneider 35XL, 47XL decentered, perhaps even with 58XL from PixJohn even though he was not impressed when used with Digital Back.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Daniela,
I have the 47xl decentered and am very happy with it. It works well in that I try to avoid extreme wides if I can help it, although often in interior work you can't. It has plenty of movement and is well suited to my style of shooting. Lens cast can be an issue and I almost always make a calibration to go with the final shot, even if no cast is apparent.
Best,
Eric
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Thank you for posting the image.
Are you happy with the resolving power of 47XL decentered, did you find the resolution adequate?
What is the closest focusing range?
Regards
Danijela
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100% right
On the account of LF lenses you cannot make mistake with
either the Rodenstock or Schneider they are the best that
you can get, period. Architecture is really demanding i know
but if you enjoy it, it is worth the money.
ciao
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I guess you are right, they are like Rolls Roys and Bentley. However
I would like to find out which one is Bentley?
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
How much are the DB adapters?
If you could put together the list of available/compatible adapters
and the estimated price per camera adapter, Thank You.
One more question:
If the price of the adapters are lower/Higher and I happen to buy the Digital
Back, is the price going to increase for the amount of the difference among the
adapters or is the price of the Digital Back going to remain the same
regardless of the adapters price difference?
Regards
Danijela
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CaptureShop or Brumbear Tools,
Do they improve the file by default as soon as you upload the image, like:
sharpening, recovering highlights, etc. Because I know that CapturOne does
improve the files especially with regards to sharpness. I must admit when I saw the P45 files in CaptureOne I was impressed by the look, but realized and confirmed later that sharpening was applied by a default. Phase confirmed that you can turn the sharpening off, so that it doesn't work as a default any longer if you don't like it.
One question: are the files that you posted improved in highlights/sharpness/etc. by a default using CaptureShop or Brumbear Tools.
brumbaer does not sharpen, it goes to dng which still counts as a "raw" format.
i sharpened after opening in ps slightly (200/0,3/0). no other treatment was applied to the images. they have been converted in ps cs3.
ALPA guys, they want to assure me that if I get ALPA 12SWA I should
go with Leaf Aptus75 and Schneider Lenses. Did you try by any chance HR lenses
with Leaf Aptus75?
the boss of alpa didnt had a good opinion of rodenstock lenses, but he changed it after trying the HR series. i spoke with him about that with telephone. long time he recommended schneider, this should be different now, but probably it will take its time till this arrives to his dists.
there should not be any difference with the a75 and the HR lenses or schneier lenses except the known ones.
Would you ever consider having both 24XL and 28HR?
why not?
Thanks again for the response with 35HR & 60HR, hopefully others will post some images taken with Schneider 35XL, 47XL decentered, perhaps even with 58XL from PixJohn even though he was not impressed when used with Digital Back.
you could also consider the 45 digital lense from rodenstock, as i see the lenses are not all on the same level. we have the same level if we compare the rodenstock digital lenses with the schneider digital lenses. the 35+45 digigtal behaves very similar than the 35+47xl from schneider. yu have to stop down the lenses 2 or three stops and in case of the 35mm you can shift a lot, but the image becomes unsharper to the edges, and more than 10-12mm shift is not longer that good for unsharp edges. the 45 digital and 47xl are better in this respect but want to be stopped down as all lf-kind lenses till f8 or f11.
i have a 45 digital to have something in the middle of 35+60mm, also i have a 90+135mm digital lense. here i would have done better ordering a 100HR, but when i bought the lenses i already was not so clear about the HR advantages. as longer i use them as more i think thats the best way to go with shift cameras.
the HR lenses behave completely different than this "old-style" designs. they are tack sharp at open focus and they improve their sharpness only a tack if stopped down.
they are another class.....
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
I put you the current list of available eMotion 75 (and eMotion 22) adapters. To this list there will obviously be one more adapter available for the new Sinar Hy6. Please understand that I cannot put here any reliable prices as they might vary from one country to another.
List of available eMotion Adapter Kits, with their code Nr.
SB eMotion/Hasselblad V Adapter Kit (552.36.070)
SB eMotion/Mamiya RZ 67 Adapter Kit (552.36.071)
SB eMotion/Rollei 6008 AF Adapter Kit (552.36.073)
SB eMotion/Rollei 6008 Adapter Kit (552.36.073)
SB eMotion/Mamiya 645 AFD Adapter Kit (552.36.075)
SB eMotion/Mamiya 645 Pro Adapter Kit (552.36.076)
SB eMotion/Contax 645 Adapter Kit (552.36.077)
SB eMotion/Hasselblad H Adapter Kit (552.36.079)
SB eMotion/Sinar m Adapter Kit (552.36.082)
SB eMotion/Sinar Hy6 Adapter Kit (in production)
Thanks and best regards,
Thierry
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
How much are the DB adapters?
If you could put together the list of available/compatible adapters
and the estimated price per camera adapter, Thank You.
One more question:
If the price of the adapters are lower/Higher and I happen to buy the Digital
Back, is the price going to increase for the amount of the difference among the
adapters or is the price of the Digital Back going to remain the same
regardless of the adapters price difference?
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
the adapter kit prices are all the same, except the one for the Rollei 6008 which is a bit more expensive. So unless you choose the Rollei 6008 adapterkit, the price of the back with its corresponding adapter kit will not change.
Thierry
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One more question:
If the price of the adapters are lower/Higher and I happen to buy the Digital
Back, is the price going to increase for the amount of the difference among the
adapters or is the price of the Digital Back going to remain the same
regardless of the adapters price difference?
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
No, Captureshop does NOT and never apply any unsharp masking to the files, unlike others. We do strongly believe that any sharpening should be done ONLY if knowing the final output size (the amount of sharpening strongly depends on the print/output size, among other parameters/factors), and not being applied to the raws as a general/default sharpening to make the files look better: it is a different approach.
However, one has the possiblity in Captureshop to check and control sharpening as well, at 100% as it should be (same USM than in Photoshop), but never by default and without being aware of it. Too dangerous, IMO.
Best regards,
Thierry
CaptureShop or Brumbear Tools,
Do they improve the file by default as soon as you upload the image, like:
sharpening, recovering highlights, etc. Because I know that CapturOne does
improve the files especially with regards to sharpness.
Regards
Danijela
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List of available eMotion Adapter Kits, with their code Nr.
SB eMotion/Hasselblad V Adapter Kit (552.36.070)
SB eMotion/Mamiya RZ 67 Adapter Kit (552.36.071)
etc
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It should be understood that having different adapters for a sinar back may not be super handy
The adapters are not easy to change and it is not practical to do it in the field
Say you had an HY6 with lenses down to 50mm and a hassy V mount alpa with super wides you coudnt not swap from one to the other in the middle of a shoot
I dont think any wide cameras (alpa, horseman cambo) are yet available in a rolei hy6 mount whereas they are available in a H mount
The adapter is useful as you dont get locked into a system
In my own case I can move from my H1 mount to an Hy6 mount should I find this system more appropriate to my needs
(which I wont until they offer at least a 35mm lens)
SMM
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Dear Sam,
It is well understood that any adapter change has to be done carefully, by taking care of the CCD's Infrared filter, also on location.
As for being handy, I think it is not really a big deal to unscrew 3 screws, take the adapter away and replace it by the new one: it is done in 2 minutes time at the maximum.
The question should rather be: is it better to have this possibility of inter-changeability or not?
Being locked in one system or not is the eventual issue of it.
You are right: neither Alpa nor Cambo or Horseman do accept the Hy6 mount at this stage, all with V mount.
Best regards,
Thierry
It should be understood that having different adapters for a sinar back may not be super handy
The adapters are not easy to change and it is not practical to do it in the field
Say you had an HY6 with lenses down to 50mm and a hassy V mount alpa with super wides you coudnt not swap from one to the other in the middle of a shoot
I dont think any wide cameras (alpa, horseman cambo) are yet available in a rolei hy6 mount whereas they are available in a H mount
The adapter is useful as you dont get locked into a system
In my own case I can move from my H1 mount to an Hy6 mount should I find this system more appropriate to my needs
(which I wont until they offer at least a 35mm lens)
SMM
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Dear Sam,
As for being handy, I think it is not really a big deal to unscrew 3 screws, take the adapter away and replace it by the new one: it is done in 2 minutes time at the maximum.
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I would dispute that taking 2 minutes to change lenses is part of a practical way of operating
I have certainly ruled it out in terms of switching to a V plate and a horseman digiflex and nikkor 14 to give me ultra wide (lower res) capture - but then I am clumsy and in a hurry
This is of of course different to each photogrphers mode of operation if they are expected to produce 6 or 60 images per day
And they are tiny screws very near the sensor - an accident waiting to happen - and easy to burr up with constant use
Not to mention dust ingress risks
Is there not a further issue with the 'foil stack' which is best adjusted to each particular body and may not focus correctly on different bodies - not that focus is too accurate for all the guess systems like alpa anyway
Looking forward to the iso extension
SMM
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Dear Sam.
I respect your opinion: any photographer is different in "handling" things.
Foil stack: we do not deliver foil stacks any longer, since a few months now. Instead, one specific plate for each camera body (brand).
I wish I could show you one day how easy and fast it is,
All the best,
Thierry
I would dispute that taking 2 minutes to change lenses is part of a practical way of operating
I have certainly ruled it out in terms of switching to a V plate and a horseman digiflex and nikkor 14 to give me ultra wide (lower res) capture - but then I am clumsy and in a hurry
This is of of course different to each photogrphers mode of operation if they are expected to produce 6 or 60 images per day
And they are tiny screws very near the sensor - an accident waiting to happen - and easy to burr up with constant use
Not to mention dust ingress risks
Is there not a further issue with the 'foil stack' which is best adjusted to each particular body and may not focus correctly on different bodies - not that focus is too accurate for all the guess systems like alpa anyway
Looking forward to the iso extension
SMM
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brumbaer does not sharpen, it goes to dng which still counts as a "raw" format.
i sharpened after opening in ps slightly (200/0,3/0). no other treatment was applied to the images. they have been converted in ps cs3.
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The files to me looked just a bit improved and this is why I had to ask if it was improved by a default or not. I am happy to hear that nothing of the kind was applied apart from slight sharpening in cs3.
the boss of alpa didnt had a good opinion of rodenstock lenses, but he changed it after trying the HR series. i spoke with him about that with telephone. long time he recommended schneider, this should be different now, but probably it will take its time till this arrives to his dists.
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It's good enough for me that they have them on the list. The more we talk about them with the reference to show what we consciously believe, better for all of us. Otherwise we will enter the 16th century zone and manufacturers will let us believe that [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']The Earth is square[/span]. It is happening right now already! Manufacturers just need a number of more believers I guess to turn it in to Official statement.
Did they pull out of the market 38mm Zeiss completely, you know the one Hasselblad uses on SWC Cameras & if you had any chance using it with digital back?
Is it still available for other cameras?
With regards to 38mm Zeiss by ALPA, I know for sure it’s discontinued.
why not?
you could also consider the 45 digital lense from rodenstock, as i see the lenses are not all on the same level. we have the same level if we compare the rodenstock digital lenses with the schneider digital lenses. the 35+45 digigtal behaves very similar than the 35+47xl from schneider. yu have to stop down the lenses 2 or three stops and in case of the 35mm you can shift a lot, but the image becomes unsharper to the edges, and more than 10-12mm shift is not longer that good for unsharp edges. the 45 digital and 47xl are better in this respect but want to be stopped down as all lf-kind lenses till f8 or f11.
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If I go for 28HR and 24XL I will definitely skip 35 and go straight to 47XL decentered.
Is the difference in weight between 45HR & 47XL decentered substantial like
with 28HR & 24XL? and perhaps if you have few images to share.
i have a 45 digital to have something in the middle of 35+60mm, also i have a 90+135mm digital lense. here i would have done better ordering a 100HR, but when i bought the lenses i already was not so clear about the HR advantages. as longer i use them as more i think thats the best way to go with shift cameras.
the HR lenses behave completely different than this "old-style" designs. they are tack sharp at open focus and they improve their sharpness only a tack if stopped down.
they are another class.....
Regards
Danijela
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I am in the same position now, only thanks to you guys I am happy to make a short cut and I hope a clever one.
However,
the truth remains, it is a [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Tough Call![/span]
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
I put you the current list of available eMotion 75 (and eMotion 22) adapters. To this list there will obviously be one more adapter available for the new Sinar Hy6. Please understand that I cannot put here any reliable prices as they might vary from one country to another.
List of available eMotion Adapter Kits, with their code Nr.
SB eMotion/Hasselblad V Adapter Kit (552.36.070)
SB eMotion/Mamiya RZ 67 Adapter Kit (552.36.071)
SB eMotion/Rollei 6008 AF Adapter Kit (552.36.073)
SB eMotion/Rollei 6008 Adapter Kit (552.36.073)
SB eMotion/Mamiya 645 AFD Adapter Kit (552.36.075)
SB eMotion/Mamiya 645 Pro Adapter Kit (552.36.076)
SB eMotion/Contax 645 Adapter Kit (552.36.077)
SB eMotion/Hasselblad H Adapter Kit (552.36.079)
SB eMotion/Sinar m Adapter Kit (552.36.082)
SB eMotion/Sinar Hy6 Adapter Kit (in production)
Thanks and best regards,
Thierry
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Hi Thierry,
I know you cannot put here any reliable prices as they might vary from one country to another.
Anybody [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']best qualified[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']respectable [/span]to demonstrate SINAR e75 in London UK, Paris FRANCE, New York, LA, USA? Names and contact numbers please.
I have to decide soon, so the time is of the essence.
Regards
Danijela
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i was asked many times for my gottschalt camera, so i post now some pics.. esp. cause this fits good in the adapter discussion.
1. i agree with thierry that its not a big deal to change the back adapters, but already better would be if they would change automtically.... cant you invent something like that thierry/sinar ?
to be serious,- it does not give me pleasure to unmount the backs on location often and usually i have on one camera the e22 and on the other the e75.
but its not a big deal... more important for me is to have a camera where i have not to unmount the back for previewing the image or to rotate the back. this was ONLY possible with an adapter which came as closed to the back element of the lense as possible, gottschalt has made his own adapter for the emotion. only with this its possible to make a rotatable back where also a slider is integrated, to protect the sensor if i change lenses. i insisted in this detail and i like it very much now. the whole sliding back is thinner than any other in the market, so together with the emotion backs it allows things which cant do any other camera/sensor combination at the moment.
the adapter for the emotion rotates for 90 degrees, same does the lense for 360 degrees. the rear can be moved 30mm to left or right, the front lense can be moved 30mm.
2. if i travel with little equipement i can fit in a standard case in aircraft-handluggage size the gottschalt with 4 lenses and my contax with one emotion mounted and 3 lenses plus accessories as waist level finder, diffusion plate and so on. second handbag is than my G4 and two or three tiny 100gb hd drives.
( just to add: with the contax the emotions work cable free,- they have lenses from 35 to 350mm and are affortable systems. great mf plattform ..... )
if i want to change the back between the cameras than its fast done also .... in this way i have a very luggage friendly hi quality system.
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Is the difference in weight between 45HR & 47XL decentered substantial like
with 28HR & 24XL? and perhaps if you have few images to share.
I am in the same position now, only thanks to you guys I am happy to make a short cut and I hope a clever one.
the 45 is a sinar digital lense. they are not HR lenses and equal i.m.o. the schneider pendants in terms of sharpness, image circle and general behavor ( weight, they want to be stopped down ).
its not very important which you take here , although i prefer to have the lenses from the same company for more similar color rendition.
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To be able to change adapter plates with a back is a big selling argument for me. Even when it does take 2 minutes to do so.
Normally I know what I will be doing on location so I will already have selected the camera that I want to use. In most cases I would have the back with the right adapter installed before going on location.
Besides that, I like the idea of being able to. It means the manufacturer has left you the option to do so.
That is pretty cool the rotating plate in that sliding back! Do I see a dark slide on one of those images? What are you doing with that? (with the MFDB's)
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix - PPR DIGITAL [/span]
I would appreciate if you could post a few images with the new HC 28mm with and without correction applied. Don’t forget to forward your contact number because I tried a google search PPR DIGITAL and it shows only a renting department. So I am not sure if that is your company, anyhow it would be practical to have your contact on the LL Signature, underlined.
Regards
Danijela
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That is pretty cool the rotating plate in that sliding back! Do I see a dark slide on one of those images? What are you doing with that? (with the MFDB's)
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its a dark slider and i use it. so there is no need for a second metal plate if i move the back in the viewing position, which would increase the weight and the size much. secondly it protects the sensor if i change lenses, which i do a lot. it is a very dust and sensor protective detail, i insisted on that little feature.....
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i was asked many times for my gottschalt camera, so i post now some pics.. esp. cause this fits good in the adapter discussion.
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Ranier,
[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']No disrespect to others, but you are the MAN with all Capitals.[/span]
[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Your help & confidence is very much appreciated![/span]
Regards
Danijela
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its a dark slider and i use it. so there is no need for a second metal plate if i move the back in the viewing position, which would increase the weight and the size much. secondly it protects the sensor if i change lenses, which i do a lot. it is a very dust and sensor protective detail, i insisted on tha little featuret.....
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Right! That is a detail worth remembering.
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Ranier,
[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']No disrespect to others, but you are the MAN with all Capitals.[/span]
[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Your help & confidence is very much appreciated![/span]
Regards
Danijela
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thanks for the flowers.... i become red- will not post pictures of that!
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Danijela,
No, Captureshop does NOT and never apply any unsharp masking to the files, unlike others. We do strongly believe that any sharpening should be done ONLY if knowing the final output size (the amount of sharpening strongly depends on the print/output size, among other parameters/factors), and not being applied to the raws as a general/default sharpening to make the files look better: it is a different approach.
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I heard the same thing form Phase with their CaptureOne Software, and yet sharpening was applied not severely but nice. However, I asked if that was what was coming from the Phase Raw file or was it improved a bit and then they suggested as the option to turn it off if not happy.
However, with regards to Capture shop, I received the same response from Rainer, so nothing to worry I guess. I prefer to make my commitment based on what I get from the Back and the lenses. Secondly, we can certainly talk about the best way to improve it using Software afterwards.
However, one has the possibility in Captureshop to check and control sharpening as well, at 100% as it should be (same USM than in Photoshop), but never by default and without being aware of it. Too dangerous, IMO.
Best Regards
Thierry
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I know, that’s OK.
Thank You
Danijela
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thanks for the flowers.... i become red- will not post pictures of that!
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I believe in respect, so I speak the truth.
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
I rarely take two cameras with me, because it becomes heavy after a while. This is precisely the reason why I am interested in ALPA 12SWA. Quality and less Weight in general is my idea of a good system.
However, I would like to have some sort of idea about how long it takes to switch
between adapters approximately?
Regards
Danijela
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I believe in respect, so I speak the truth.
Regards
Danijela
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i know danijela,
and i like the nearly scientyfic way how you explore the white territory of mf backs.
some colleagues which work with film rtepeat to say that they will change in few years if the things will became more practical, easier and cheaper.
i hardly
doubt that this will be the case, looking in the field of music production, which is around 12 -15 years ahead in the transition process to digital. computers bring us many things, but for sure they dont make the live less complicate. i think the jump to digital allways will be a hard and confusing process, at least if we speak from "hi-end" capturing.
could be that in 10 years this capturing will be in 3d or with 200mp resolution in 6 colors/ 32bit,- but it will be still complicate. better to start now and to grow with it than to wait.... will not be easier.
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hi Danijela,
I have been saying yesterday, when writing about the Sinar adapter system, that it only takes a couple of minutes at the very maximum to change from one adapter to another: It has been put in question and I respected this opinion.
Now, I am not used to speak about sales arguments, but from a practical point of view: if I claim something like that it is because I have experienced it. The same with the adapter plates: I did and still do it often enough, when shooting and demonstrating with customers, on location or in their environment and in working conditions: it only takes 2 minutes to do this operation and I stand behind my claim.
Have a nice evening,
Thierry
Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]
I rarely take two cameras with me, because it becomes heavy after a while. This is precisely the reason why I am interested in ALPA 12SWA. Quality and less Weight in general is my idea of a good system.
However, I would like to have some sort of idea about how long it takes to switch
between adapters approximately?
Regards
Danijela
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hi Danijela,
I have been saying yesterday, when writing about the Sinar adapter system, that it only takes a couple of minutes at the very maximum to change from one adapter to another: It has been put in question and I respected this opinion.
Now, I am not used to speak about sales arguments, but from a practical point of view: if I claim something like that it is because I have experienced it. The same with the adapter plates: I did and still do it often enough, when shooting and demonstrating with customers, on location or in their environment and in working conditions: it only takes 2 minutes to do this operation and I stand behind my claim.
Have a nice evening,
Thierry
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Fair enough, 2 minutes is not bad at all considering the effort to setup the camera. Usually it takes me 15min. tops to get ready and shoot, so two extra minutes won't change things drastically at all, even if I am with two totally different systems.
Regards
Danijela
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i know danijela,
and i like the nearly scientyfic way how you explore the white territory of mf backs.
some colleagues which work with film rtepeat to say that they will change in few years if the things will became more practical, easier and cheaper.
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My grandfather told me once that Woman can afford to be unpractical and careless but
Men don’t have that luxury. So, I wouldn’t suggest that my way of doing research before I
decide is scientific not even thorough, I leave that to Manufacturers & Beta Testers but rather practical way
of closing the deal based on the body of my interests and the fact, but certainly not rumors, that's all.
i hardly
doubt that this will be the case, looking in the field of music production, which is around 12 -15 years ahead in the transition process to digital. computers bring us many things, but for sure they dont make the live less complicate.
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With regards to music, the only thing missing is a huge number of spontaneous moments, but I guess that doesn’t count much when we talk about photography.
i think the jump to digital allways will be a hard and confusing process, at least if we speak from "hi-end" capturing.
could be that in 10 years this capturing will be in 3d or with 200mp resolution in 6 colors/ 32bit,- but it will be still complicate. better to start now and to grow with it than to wait.... will not be easier.
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I am all for it! I’ll skip naming names, but I am not ready to blindlessly hit the wall if I can avoid it, and there is the difference for sure.
Regards
Danijela
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It should be understood that having different adapters for a sinar back may not be super handy
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Since it is available, I personally consider it to be a good Idea. What would happen if there was none? Perhaps there are others like Hasselblad, but I don’t have any experience/info on them, so I can’t speak. Maybe Steve Hendrix from PPR DIGITAL would like to comment on it.
The adapters are not easy to change and it is not practical to do it in the field
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I consider 2min. fair, especially if you have assistant/assistants, even by yourself you could spare 2min. and change it during the break. I am sure even you take a break at some point.
Say you had an HY6 with lenses down to 50mm and a hassy V mount alpa with super wides you coudnt not swap from one to the other in the middle of a shoot
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This is where I would be a bit concerned, not about initial attempt to change the adapter, but more about planning my day so that I don’t have to go and change the adapter back to configuration I had 15min. ago.
I dont think any wide cameras (alpa, horseman cambo) are yet available in a rolei hy6 mount whereas they are available in a H mount
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Yes, but I’m sure that will change. I don’t even want to think about Hy6 until it reaches the surf.
In my own case I can move from my H1 mount to an Hy6 mount should I find this system more appropriate to my needs
(which I wont until they offer at least a 35mm lens)
SMM
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Slowly but surely, I agree.
Regards
Danijela
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(changable plates)
Since it is available, I personally consider it to be a good Idea.
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I agree it is a good idea - more than that - it put me firmly in the sinar camp
Having been locked into mamiya on my pro back and personlly not getting on with mamiya
I felt robbed that my back was stuck on that system and sold it all at a big loss
I persnally wouldnt buy a back that didnt have the plate system
BUT
I dont think changing plates on set is part of anything but the most controlled and considered workflow
I would therefore not go HY6 until there is a seamless integration with a wide system
I would get a sinar back on a H1 or Vmount and think about moving Hy6 in a couple of years when the system is smooth
I love Rheiners contraption - but counldt use (or afford) something like that to provide me with wider than 40 mm
For me view camera have thier place but that is pretty strictly for static objects - 50% of my work is street and even at 35 hass give a pretty good wide lense (the idiots locked me out of thier 28
I wont be buying a new back for years even though my is only a rubbishy antiquated 22mp - still better than 99.99% of digital cameras on the planet and plenty good for most reproduction purposes
I think sinar need to get thier act together fast in offering integration to a wide system
THey shoot themselves in the foot in not listing the Xact on thier site as is is thier in house wide platform that will work with a rollei adapter I would imagine
SMM
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hi Sam,
for your information: all the Rollei MF cameras 6008 AF and 6008 integral2 and their accessories are sold worlwide through Sinar and their distributor(s) in each country, INCLUDED also the Rollei X-Act2 view camera and its accessories.
Its clearly mentioned on our Homepage:
http://www.sinarcameras.com (http://www.sinarcameras.com)
and, the X-Act2 Brochure with all accessories can be downloaded under:
http://www.sinar.ch/site/index__gast-e-107...s-rand-208.html (http://www.sinar.ch/site/index__gast-e-1072-24-1154-urlvars-rand-208.html)
Best regards,
Thierry
I agree it is a good idea - more than that - it put me firmly in the sinar camp
Having been locked into mamiya on my pro back and personlly not getting on with mamiya
I felt robbed that my back was stuck on that system and sold it all at a big loss
I persnally wouldnt buy a back that didnt have the plate system
BUT
THey shoot themselves in the foot in not listing the Xact on thier site as is is thier in house wide platform that will work with a rollei adapter I would imagine
SMM
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Its clearly mentioned on our Homepage:
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Ive built a couple of websites in my time and would recomend you list this product on your product page - I cant see it
[a href=\"http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__gast-e-1321-23-1408-urlvars-rand-986.html]http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__ga...s-rand-986.html[/url]
But you need to take it beyond that and convince the world HY6 can beat the H series
The key to that is seamless intergration of the your 'digital film' with a both a walk around solution (HY6) a movement based solution AND (still missing) a walkaround ultra wide system
And seamless doesnt include an alleged two minutes to change platform while exposing a $30k bit of wafer to the elements
I know it is a cultural change for sinar who have a background as kings of the studio
Once upon a time people had a sinar in thier studio and a blad on location - no longer an option for owners of sinar 'film' and stocking two 'film' stock is not an option either
SMM
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Sam,
you are right: we shall integrate the X-Act2 in our products listing. Thanks for this.
Seamless integration: yes, sure and you are right too. But as I have already mentioned it in some other posts, we cannot run on too many horses at the same time, and like any company, we have a limited manpower. We take things one after the other and prefer not to rush in too many projects at the same time.
About adapter plates: the sensor is not directly exposed, since covered/protected by an infrared filter on it. Now we can of course put in question the way those adapters are mounted (screws), but so far we have not had any dramatic accident (or none that I am aware of). But be also aware that offering a different fix of the adapters (locks with springs or others) would certainly add to the costs of these. Which obviously nobody wants, I guess. But your suggestion is much welcome and I shall forward it to the right place.
Right, what a cultural change during the last 15 years! But not only for Sinar, I guess: the digital age has been demanding for all of us, photographers included.
Thanks Sam!
Thierry
Ive built a couple of websites in my time and would recomend you list this product on your product page - I cant see it
http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__ga...s-rand-986.html (http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__gast-e-1321-23-1408-urlvars-rand-986.html)
But you need to take it beyond that and convince the world HY6 can beat the H series
The key to that is seamless intergration of the your 'digital film' with a both a walk around solution (HY6) a movement based solution AND (still missing) a walkaround ultra wide system
And seamless doesnt include an alleged two minutes to change platform while exposing a $30k bit of wafer to the elements
I know it is a cultural change for sinar who have a background as kings of the studio
Once upon a time people had a sinar in thier studio and a blad on location - no longer an option for owners of sinar 'film' and stocking two 'film' stock is not an option either
SMM
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But be also aware that offering a different fix of the adapters (locks with springs or others) would certainly add to the costs of these. Which obviously nobody wants, I guess. But your suggestion is much welcome and I shall forward it to the right place.
Thierry,
While a quick-release mechanism would add cost, it would also add real value.
Sinar's adaptors are an interesting feature now. Taking them to the next level, where changing an adaptor becomes as smooth and (generally) worry-free a routine as changing a back itself, would be revolutionary.
A quick-release adaptor would surely cost a good bit less than the wage premium of that special kind of assistant whom you could trust to put a screwdriver to an e75.
-H.
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Harris,
well said!
Those adapters at $2000 AUD are already pricey.
A few hundred dollars isn't going to break the bank!
Cheers,
Willem.
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hi Harris,
I understand your point and it is certainly a great idea. On the other side you should hear the comments and remarks of some, as soon as something is costing a bit more. It is sometimes difficult to compromise and make everybody happy.
I wish everybody could speak like you, that an assistant is by far more expensive!
Thanks and I shall forward, as usually,
Thierry
Thierry,
While a quick-release mechanism would add cost, it would also add real value.
Sinar's adaptors are an interesting feature now. Taking them to the next level, where changing an adaptor becomes as smooth and (generally) worry-free a routine as changing a back itself, would be revolutionary.
A quick-release adaptor would surely cost a good bit less than the wage premium of that special kind of assistant whom you could trust to put a screwdriver to an e75.
-H.
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix - PPR DIGITAL [/span]
I would appreciate if you could post a few images with the new HC 28mm with and without correction applied. Don’t forget to forward your contact number because I tried a google search PPR DIGITAL and it shows only a renting department. So I am not sure if that is your company, anyhow it would be practical to have your contact on the LL Signature, underlined.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela:
I will soon post some before and after HC28mm images for you. I will also post our website under my name, although our website is currently a wreck, in my opinion. It is being completely re-done, and that process will likely take about a month or two. In the meantime, bear with us.
Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com
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I agree it is a good idea - more than that - it put me firmly in the sinar camp
Having been locked into mamiya on my pro back and personlly not getting on with mamiya
I felt robbed that my back was stuck on that system and sold it all at a big loss
I persnally wouldnt buy a back that didnt have the plate system
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I am not sure why Phase doesn’t make a step in that direction, since they don’t have the platform they are working on, and that may very well be their only ticket in staying at the Top.
I dont think changing plates on set is part of anything but the most controlled and considered workflow
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Like it or hate it, it’s there, so you can act upon your will.
I would therefore not go HY6 until there is a seamless integration with a wide system
I would get a sinar back on a H1 or Vmount and think about moving Hy6 in a couple of years when the system is smooth
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Sure, you are not alone on this one.
I love Rheiners contraption - but counldt use (or afford) something like that to provide me with wider than 40 mm
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Who doesn’t? His system is TOP!!! and custom, very custom made. I literally never heard anybody talking about Gottschalt DS 30 until here on Luminous Landscape.
For me view camera have thier place but that is pretty strictly for static objects - 50% of my work is street and even at 35 hass give a pretty good wide lense (the idiots locked me out of thier 28
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My main reason for going with ALPA 12SWA is LF Digital Lenses and how light and small the system it self is. Other reasons include : precisely the fact that you don’t have to be static or shoot static objects , basically Leica with LF Digital Lenses, etc., etc. I know you are mad at Hasselblad and you have a great reason for it, but I must admit I like their H3D 39 and their lenses. Regardless of the back I buy, I will most probably go for H2 or I will figure something else, but for now it’s H Series when it comes to camera & lenses.
I wont be buying a new back for years even though my is only a rubbishy antiquated 22mp - still better than 99.99% of digital cameras on the planet and plenty good for most reproduction purposes
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TRUE.
THey shoot themselves in the foot in not listing the Xact on thier site as is is thier in house wide platform that will work with a rollei adapter I would imagine
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You are so right, because when I confirmed with ALPA that you can actually use Rollei lenses on all ALPA cameras, of course I went to their web and read about it.
I think sinar need to get thier act together fast in offering integration to a wide system
SMM
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100% Right, if they don’t move in to the right direction this year 2007, who ever is at the
top deciding will turn [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']SINAR[/span] in to [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']DINAR[/span], worthless coin these days.
Regards
Danijela
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Thierry,
While a quick-release mechanism would add cost, it would also add real value.
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I hope they realize, we are not asking SINAR for free gifts. they should just do it, but [span style=\'font-size:10pt;line-height:100%\']pricing it right[/span] is the key.
Sinar's adaptors are an interesting feature now. Taking them to the next level, where changing an adaptor becomes as smooth and (generally) worry-free a routine as changing a back itself, would be revolutionary.
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I believe we had that much intelligence during the 20th Century, What happened?
A quick-release adaptor would surely cost a good bit less than the wage premium of that special kind of assistant whom you could trust to put a screwdriver to an e75.
-H.
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I agree, very good point!
Regards
Danijela
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Harris,
well said!
Those adapters at $2000 AUD are already pricey.
A few hundred dollars isn't going to break the bank!
Cheers,
Willem.
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Hi William,
Thank you for posting the list price of Sinar Adapter. Was the one with the price
tag of AUD $2000 for Rollei or not?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi William,
Thank you for posting the list price of Sinar Adapter. Was the one with the price
tag of AUD $2000 for Rollei or not?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela, my name is Shara Haddad, I am new to this forum but I have been a photographer for about 3 years since studying at Rhode Island a few years ago, I currently reside in Yemen. I have been a bit hesitent to post here, as a woman I find these forums pretty much frequented by men.
Anyway, this discussion has been great. My father is financing my new system. I have been hired by the ministry of travel to help create a new ad campaign. The AD has required the photographer to shoot a digital back so I was thinging about the Sinar or Leaf along with my exiting 503CW.
Have you made a decision yet. I really need some help as this is one of the toughest decision I have made in my life. I feel more comfortable with taking to another woman. (Sorry men, this is a woman thing) No, I am not serious....just joking.
Anyway, Danijela please let me know what you think.
Shara
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Hi Danijela, my name is Shara Haddad, I am new to this forum but I have been a photographer for about 3 years since studying at Rhode Island a few years ago, I currently reside in Yemen. I have been a bit hesitent to post here, as a woman I find these forums pretty much frequented by men.
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Yes, I know what you mean. However, I find this forum very civil and help worthy. Photographers here are top professionals with top equipment. You may find the distributors/dealers sometimes being overprotective and perhaps even few photographers, but nothing to worry about, it’s simply their job or basically they own the equipment.
Anyway, this discussion has been great. My father is financing my new system. I have been hired by the ministry of travel to help create a new ad campaign. The AD has required the photographer to shoot a digital back so I was thinging about the Sinar or Leaf along with my exiting 503CW.
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Sinar or Leaf? That is tough! You should at least if nothing consider Phase.
Have you made a decision yet.
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YES with regards to Camera & Lenses, but NO with regards to Digital Back.
I really need some help as this is one of the toughest decision I have made in my life. I feel more comfortable with taking to another woman. (Sorry men, this is a woman thing) No, I am not serious....just joking.
Anyway, Danijela please let me know what you think.
Shara
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My decision is not as tough as yours. However, if my father was financing my gear, I would definitely go with Phase or Hasselblad and considering we need more beauty sleep then Men do, AF system for sure.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi William,
Thank you for posting the list price of Sinar Adapter. Was the one with the price
tag of AUD $2000 for Rollei or not?
Regards
Danijela
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The eMotion adapters are mostly the same price.
However the ones for the Rollei 6008 are more expensive.
There is no price for the eMotion-Hy6 adapter,however I hope that would be included,
when I get my Hy6,as I already use the eMotion-75.
Btw: You should get a medal for the most post ever!
Regards,
Willem.
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The eMotion adapters are mostly the same price.
However the ones for the Rollei 6008 are more expensive.
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Any idea how much more?
Btw: You should get a medal for the most post ever!
Regards,
Willem.
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I guess that's flattering for a woman. However, no medals required but wait until I get the system up and running!
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
I suggest you contact your local Sinar dealer,regarding those adapter plates.
However,their pricing is similar worldwide.
Regards,
Willem.
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Danijela,
I suggest you contact your local Sinar dealer,regarding those adapter plates.
However,their pricing is similar worldwide.
Regards,
Willem.
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Hi William,
I tried to get Thierry to put me in touch with the SINAR representatives, unfortunately it's not that easy as I thought. However, I received one contact today and when I phoned there was a voice mail so I left a Message. We'll see what happens from here.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi William,
I tried to get Thierry to put me in touch with the SINAR representatives, unfortunately it's not that easy as I thought. However, I received one contact today and when I phoned there was a voice mail so I left a Message. We'll see what happens from here.
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
I have forwarded your message to our distributor SBI: Greg King is currently visiting Sinar in Switzerland and might not answer currently.
You can contact him at: gking@sinarbron.com
Or you might contact also Dan Cuny from SBI at dcuny@sinarbron.com
Pls.let me know if you still have problems.
Best regards,
thierry
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Hello everyone
i would like to add some considerations regarding digital back and architectural photography. I am using an emotion 22 for 10 months (with Schneider 24/35/47xl). Everything forks fine, the emotionDNG converter by brumbaer is a realy good tool, i never take an image without a white reference shot. I am very pleased with the results that are possible with this back and the raw converter from Photoshop CS3 Beta.
Two things to consider: There is no PC-Software for the sinar (sometimes I would like to use a tablet pc for tethered shooting...) and there is a limit of usable exposure length.
Exposure times exceeding 20 to 25 seconds are a big problem with the emotion back (the e75 seems to be better in this area). Even upwards from 1 sec exposure time I now alway take a manual black reference to avoid noise blotches (this is no problem with the sinar back).
I decided against a p25 because of the extreme color shift when using the symmetric WA-Lenses. But the workflow for architecture is the same with both backs, because you can't use the emotion without a white reference. And you cant use the emotion back without the brumbaer tool when shooting untethered for architecture.
Today I would go for the p25 because of workflow and long exposures and for the emotion22 because of price and less color cast.
Regards
Dominique Wehrli
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hi Dominique,
The long exposure times are especially an issue with high ISO settings, not so dramatic with low ISO's, IMO.
However, the new coming eMotion 54V will improves this very significantly. An the e22 can be upgraded.
Best regards,
Thierry
Hello everyone
i would like to add some considerations regarding digital back and architectural photography. I am using an emotion 22 for 10 months (with Schneider 24/35/47xl). Everything forks fine, the emotionDNG converter by brumbaer is a realy good tool, i never take an image without a white reference shot. I am very pleased with the results that are capable with this back an the raw converter from Photoshop CS3 Beta.
Two thing to consider: There is no PC-Software for the sinar (sometimes I would like to use a tablet pc for tethered shooting...) and there is a limit of usable exposure length.
Exposure times exceeding 20 to 25 seconds are a big problem with the emotion back (the e75 semms to be better in this area). Even upwards from 1 sec exposure time I now alway take a manual black reference to avoid noise blotches (this is no problem with the sinar).
I decided against a p25 because of the extreme color shift when using the symmetric WA-Lenses. But the workflow for architecture is the same with both backs, because you can't use the emotion without a white reference. And you cant use the emotion back without the brumbaer tool when shooting untethered for architecture.
Today I would go for the p25 because of workflow and long exposures and for the emotion22 because of price and less color cast.
Regards
Dominique Wehrli
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it covers my experiences also. although i would set the exposure -
time limit to 30-40 sec. with both backs, the e22+75.
you gain with the e75 one stop for its base iso50.
long exposure capacity depends also on the temperature, with hot ambient it may decrease.
its very usefull to set black references for longer exposures as you do it also.
the e75 shows more color casts than the e22, which often is (nearly) free of them, but after one time starting with brumbaers white references its no longer possible to work without them....
so big difference in the look of the files.
i agree that the advantage from the phase backs is the long exposure capacity. but i think they have other drawbacks as higher energy consumption, darker display and a faster tendency for backlight fringing and similar unwanted effects.
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Thierry
I always work with ISO25 on a tripod. When I need longer exposures I normally make 2 to 4 captures and stack them in Photoshop to reduce noise, or take a second shot at f 5,6 to 8, so I can use this exposure to reduce shadow noise (highlights and midtones are still good at 25 sec.). I am really looking forward to the upgrade.
Rainer
I know there is always a trade off. Because I know the emotion I also know the limitations of this back (I have also to say I am really very happy with it). I would be glad to use the sinar and phase back side by side for several months. Otherwise the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
Regards
Dominique
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Thierry
I always work with ISO25 on a tripod. When I need longer exposures I normally make 2 to 4 captures and stack them in Photoshop to reduce noise, or take a second shot at f 5,6 to 8, so I can use this exposure to reduce shadow noise (highlights and midtones are still good at 25 sec.). I am really looking forward to the upgrade.
Rainer
I know there is always a trade off. Because I know the emotion I also know the limitations of this back (I have also to say I am really very happy with it). I would be glad to use the sinar and phase back side by side for several months. Otherwise the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
Regards
Dominique
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but you say it,.... it really is nessesary to use these backs for longer time side by side. its so difficult to know to use them well that fast comparations often dont make to much sense.
good to listen that you use brumbaers tools....
but.... i use the HR lenses sometimes with f4 or 5,6 in dark interior. so i rarely come to the exp. limits, but 2 stops less would be sometimes narrow. although i was reading often about that image stacking for nr , i never did that,- will try it out.
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Dear Danijela,
I have forwarded your message to our distributor SBI: Greg King is currently visiting Sinar in Switzerland and might not answer currently.
You can contact him at: gking@sinarbron.com
Or you might contact also Dan Cuny from SBI at dcuny@sinarbron.com
Pls.let me know if you still have problems.
Best regards,
thierry
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Hi Thierry,
I have left a voice mail message to Dan Cuny yesterday, so we will see.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela:
I will soon post some before and after HC28mm images for you.
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That's Great, Thank you!
I will also post our website under my name, although our website is currently a wreck, in my opinion. It is being completely re-done, and that process will likely take about a month or two. In the meantime, bear with us.
Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com
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Not to worry. However, I would like to contact you if everything goes well and I decide to go with H3D HC28mm, so you can send your contact number via PM. if not comfortable here.
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix PPR DIGITAL[/span]
I almost forgot, is HC28mm AF lens?
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix PPR DIGITAL[/span]
I almost forgot, is HC28mm AF lens?
Regards
Danijela
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Yes it is AF.
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
Anybody Respectable/Reliable that you would recommend in Paris, FRANCE?
I am looking for three Respectable / Reliable distributors and so far this is what
I have:
.......... » UK, London » Yaya
.......... » USA, Fotocare » Jeff, I know for sure he is Help Worthy!
.......... » FRANCE, ......Waiting for your reply......
Regards
Danijela
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Yaya[/span]
Anybody Respectable/Reliable that you would recommend in Paris, FRANCE?
Objectif Bastille: http://www.objectif-bastille.com (http://www.objectif-bastille.com)
Guy Frangueil
Or you can contact Leaf's Regional Manager, Mr. Jean-Jacques Karatchian who's responsible for France:
jean-jacques.karatchian@kodak.com
In London you can contact me or go straight to one of my dealers:
Calumet: www.calumetphoto.co.uk
majoraccs@calumetphoto.co.uk
Sue Jacobs, Andy Johnson or Ben Norton +44 20 7380 4508
Peartree: www.peartreerental.com
Info@peartreerental.com
Lawrie Hope or Chris Young +44 20 7251 2044
Many thanks
Yair
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Laser Meter Users[/span]
Anybody with expirience on [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Leica[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Bosch[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Hilti [/span]Laser Meters, I would love to
decide soon.
Regards
Danijela
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Yes it is AF.
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Hi Steve,
Thank you
Any idea when could you have the HC28mm Before & After images ready?
Regards
Danijela
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I would love to
decide soon.
Danijela
I think many of us share that hope
Mark
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Danijela
I think many of us share that hope
Mark
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Lately, I consider inertion and hope to be much related and that’s why I'm not that
excited.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
The difficulty with a laser meter is seeing the little red dot. See if you can try one out first. It depends on what type of conditions you're using it in. They are easy to use for interiors and exterior buildings. But if the surface you are trying to get a read on is irregularly textured (like a tree for example), forget about it!
Will Connor
Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Laser Meter Users[/span]
Anybody with expirience on [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Leica[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Bosch[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Hilti [/span]Laser Meters, I would love to
decide soon.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
The difficulty with a laser meter is seeing the little red dot. See if you can try one out first. It depends on what type of conditions you're using it in. They are easy to use for interiors and exterior buildings. But if the surface you are trying to get a read on is irregularly textured (like a tree for example), forget about it!
Will Connor
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Hi Will,
I heard there is one Laser Meter that comes with the special glasses that will show a guide even in a difficult & extreme weather conditions etc. but I have failed to find one yet, I still have to look.
I think these glasses are Laser Reactive. Perhaps, it doesn't matter which Laser meter we're using as long as we can purchase the glasses.
Regards
Danijela
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Shara,
would you be so kind how the files were processed?
Regards,
Willem.
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Objectif Bastille: http://www.objectif-bastille.com (http://www.objectif-bastille.com)
Guy Frangueil
Or you can contact Leaf's Regional Manager, Mr. Jean-Jacques Karatchian who's responsible for France:
jean-jacques.karatchian@kodak.com
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=102024\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I will contact first Leaf's Regional Manager, Mr. Jean-Jacques Karatchian and then Guy Frangueil.
Thank you
In London you can contact me or go straight to one of my dealers:
Calumet: www.calumetphoto.co.uk
majoraccs@calumetphoto.co.uk
Sue Jacobs, Andy Johnson or Ben Norton +44 20 7380 4508
Peartree: www.peartreerental.com
Info@peartreerental.com
Lawrie Hope or Chris Young +44 20 7251 2044
Many thanks
Yair
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Of course I will contact you first and then the Stores.
Thanks for the info, that was pretty fast.
Regrads
Danijela
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How's that possible? Luminous Landscape is reputable forum after all.
What was the reason?
Regards
Danijela
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I noticed that also, the post listed a test and she said she was going with phaseone p45.
Test read " 1st phase, 2nd Leaf and last place sinar"
How's that possible? Luminous Landscape is reputable forum after all.
What was the reason?
Regards
Danijela
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I noticed that also, the post listed a test and she said she was going with phaseone p45.
Test read " 1st phase, 2nd Leaf and last place sinar"
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Hi John,
I know, but regardless of her choice/test results, I don't think her opinion deserves to be deleted.
I am confused why would that heart the executioner?
Regards
Danijela
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Could it be that she pressed a ghost button or something or perhaps some sort of misunderstanding?
Regards
Danijela
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I was unfortunately out of office, and did not see this "test", only that something had ben deleted.
Now I understand from your post what it was about: you can imagine that I would much be interested to see it, and find it a kind of strange that it has been deleted.
But I am "glad" about the result: Sinar is in 3rd position, one better than in earlier "tests"!
Thierry
I noticed that also, the post listed a test and she said she was going with phaseone p45.
Test read " 1st phase, 2nd Leaf and last place sinar"
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I was unfortunately out of office, and did not see this "test", only that something had ben deleted.
Now I understand from your post what it was about: you can imagine that I would much be interested to see it, and find it a kind of strange that it has been deleted.
But I am "glad" about the result: Sinar is in 3rd position, one better than in earlier "tests"!
Thierry
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Hi Thierry,
Don't you think it's strange that one should be treated as such, especially if it was done on purpose.
Did you experienced this type of behavior during your membership on LL?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Thierry,
Don't you think it's strange that one should be treated as such, especially if it was done on purpose.
Did you experienced this type of behavior during your membership on LL?
Regards
Danijela
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i think the onliest person who can edit his post and therefore delete it is sheself. so shara:
did you edited and deleted your post, cause i am 100% sure that michael has not done it....
this forums has turned out to be free of any censorship behavor,- and michael is working with phase,- which logic it would have to do that ( further he is in the antarctis till sunday ).
w. rettmeier has sent me the post of shara with email, so in case you want to post it again and erased it inconscient i can sent it to you and you can post it again.
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Hi Danijela,
I try to bring a bit humor to an otherwise very long and serious tread, though I would really like to see those tests.
But I can promise one thing: I did not delete it!, and I doubt it could be possible by another member. So may be she pressed the wrong button.
All this being said, I have respected each and any here since I was joining LL, from all brands, although having experienced some heated posts against me or the company I am working for. I can even say that have experienced some "heat" which I did never before in my 17 years with Sinar. But I shall remain respectful of all persons and opinions.
I say it again: it was humor!
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
Don't you think it's strange that one should be treated as such, especially if it was done on purpose.
Did you experienced this type of behavior during your membership on LL?
Regards
Danijela
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i think the onliest person who can edit his post and therefore delete it is sheself. so shara:
did you edited and deleted your post, cause i am 100% sure that michael has not done it....
this forums has turned out to be free of any censorship behavor,- and michael is working with phase,- which logic it would have to do that ( further he is in the antarctis till sunday ).
w. rettmeier has sent me the post of shara with email, so in case you want to post it again and erased it inconscient i can sent it to you and you can post it again.
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Whatever works, it's not a bad idea.
William,
Ranier,
Equally, True Gentlemans!
Regards
Danijela
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Anybody using » [span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Arca-Swiss C1 Cube Geared Head [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']with Arca-Type Flip-Lock Quick Release[/span][/span][span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']?[/span]
Apart from the obvious one `Expensive` All critiques are welcome !!!
Regards
Danijela
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i think the onliest person who can edit his post and therefore delete it is sheself. so shara:
did you edited and deleted your post, cause i am 100% sure that michael has not done it....
this forums has turned out to be free of any censorship behavor,- and michael is working with phase,- which logic it would have to do that ( further he is in the antarctis till sunday ).
w. rettmeier has sent me the post of shara with email, so in case you want to post it again and erased it inconscient i can sent it to you and you can post it again.
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so: shara... whats going on here?
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Not only did her post disappear but she disappeared?
thsinar, I think she said that the sinar back had some type of jagged edge?
I wonder if she had any centerfold on the Leaf back? I still have centerfold and now color cast that I did not have with my other leaf back.
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hi John,
Since this post has been deleted, I won't make any comment on it.
However, I have got this post sent to me offline: still, I don't wish nor can I say something about it, if I dont' know the conditions, the persons who handled the backs, the camera/back settings (same ISO on the backs? if yes, then we have already wrong conditions from the start, without wishing to emphasize on it), the handling and processing of the files, etc ...
Jaggy edges: this happens if one shoots on preview mode. A Low-Res file is then saved (screen Res 72 dpi).
Even when reading "green colour cast", I would say that this can be corrected easily if choosing the right input profile and/or balancing the light with a grey card (was it done?); or "files sharper" is a known fact that "some" are applying a "default USM" in their RAWs (Sinar not and never, purposely and with reasons), etc ....
I prefer here to stay neutral and respect as such what has been done during these tests, without further comments.
Thanks and best regards,
Thierry
Not only did her post disappear but she disappeared?
thsinar, I think she said that the sinar back had some type of jagged edge?
I wonder if she had any centerfold on the Leaf back? I still have centerfold and now color cast that I did not have with my other leaf back.
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Laser Meter Users[/span]
Anybody with expirience on [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Leica[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Bosch[/span]/[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Hilti [/span]Laser Meters, I would love to
decide soon.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
I have used the leica laser measuring device here in the office. I use it for measuring buildings and find the leica device works very nicely. We also just bought some other laser devices, and one has already broken (they are not Bosch, Leica or Hilti, they are some other brand).
Things to keep in mind when using these devices.
1. They work great inside, in shade or overcast days
2. They will only measure upto 20 feet or 6.5 meters in direct sunlight, after that the sun interferes with the device.
3. make sure you set the device to measure from either the front or back, you can choose, just remember.
Aaron Britton
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Anybody using » [span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Arca-Swiss C1 Cube Geared Head [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']with Arca-Type Flip-Lock Quick Release[/span][/span][span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']?[/span]
Apart from the obvious one `Expensive` All critiques are welcome !!!
Regards
Danijela
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Not only did her post disappear but she disappeared?
thsinar, I think she said that the sinar back had some type of jagged edge?
I wonder if she had any centerfold on the Leaf back? I still have centerfold and now color cast that I did not have with my other leaf back.
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Do you feel frustrated or do yo take it as part of the work-flow?
Are you thinking of replacing it with Sinar/Hasselblad/Phase?
Regards
Danijela
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http://www.getdpi.com/cube.html (http://www.getdpi.com/cube.html)
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Hi Mark,
Thanks for the info!
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
I have used the leica laser measuring device here in the office. I use it for measuring buildings and find the leica device works very nicely. We also just bought some other laser devices, and one has already broken (they are not Bosch, Leica or Hilti, they are some other brand).
Things to keep in mind when using these devices.
1. They work great inside, in shade or overcast days
2. They will only measure upto 20 feet or 6.5 meters in direct sunlight, after that the sun interferes with the device.
3. make sure you set the device to measure from either the front or back, you can choose, just remember.
Aaron Britton
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Hi Aaron,
Did you ever see these Laser Reactive Glasses that help in difficult situations?
Apparently they work fine but I failed to find any info on them.
Thanks for making the effort to reply, I appreciate it.
Regards
Danijela
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Anybody using » [span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']LINHOF Multi-Focal Viewfinder on ALPA 12SWA?[/span]
All critiques are welcome !!!
Regards
Danijela
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http://www.fotomancamera.com/accessories_list.asp (http://www.fotomancamera.com/accessories_list.asp)
They make a rangefinder that can be hotshoe mounted..might be of use.
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http://www.fotomancamera.com/accessories_list.asp (http://www.fotomancamera.com/accessories_list.asp)
They make a rangefinder that can be hotshoe mounted..might be of use.
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Hi Marc,
Interesting!
However, I am looking for the model by LINHOF
Thanks for the Link though.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Aaron,
Did you ever see these Laser Reactive Glasses that help in difficult situations?
Apparently they work fine but I failed to find any info on them.
Thanks for making the effort to reply, I appreciate it.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela,
I haven't heard of these glasses, and frankly don't see how they would help. The problem is not seeing where the laser lands, that is very obvious. Also, the device is what is doing the measurements not your own eyes. So, if you can't see the laser, then the device won't either and you will not get a measurement.
Aaron Britton
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Hi Danijela,
I haven't heard of these glasses, and frankly don't see how they would help.
The problem is not seeing where the laser lands, that is very obvious.
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Using these glasses you are able to practically see the Laser Beam and therefore see exactly where it lands and direct accordingly.
Also, the device is what is doing the measurements not your own eyes. So, if you can't see the laser, then the device won't either and you will not get a measurement.
Aaron Britton
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Frankly, your quote defeats you’re your own point in its self, but I will try to answer it anyway. My eyes are there to better assist & guide the Laser Device, obviously not to measure, hence the idea of having these glasses.
Regards
Danijela
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[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Anybody willing to share some info when traveling Air/etc. with LF Digital system?
Bags, tripods, tips to consider, etc.? would be highly appreciated.
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Regards
Danijela
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[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Anybody willing to share some info when traveling Air/etc. with LF Digital system?
Bags, tripods, tips to consider, etc.? would be highly appreciated.
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Regards
Danijela
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i have two amazon rimova alu hardcases in maximum allowed size for handbaggage.
using both i can take all my camera equipement with me which i need on locations,- i take all in handluggage which i could not replace, if the normal luggage would not arrive in the right airport ( happened one time to me ).
further i have a big loewe suitcase with wheels which i take for longer or big jobs with me, i remove here the internal separations and transport a calibrated 19" lacie monitor for hotel-room-editing. i use the loewe suitcase than on location for carryiong around all my equipement on location, hopefully my assistant does that
if i want to travel with little equipement i use one of the rimovas and my laptop bag.
right now at this moment i am sitting in an airport in faro/portugal beeing logged in the airport internet....
i already have checked in and have in my hand-luggage:
1 crumpler bag with g4 laptop and three 100gb harddiscs and also one charged spare battery for having something to do meanwhile waiting.
1 rimova box contains today:
1 contax 645 with 4 lenses ( 35/45/80/140) and mounted e75 back.
1 gottschalt camera with sinar/rodenstock 28/35/60HR lenses and 45mm digital lens
1 e75 back
accessories: 10x10 grey transparent plexi/ 3 batteries for e75 / charger for them / batterie grip for contax / prism + waistlevel finder for contax / sliding back for gottschalt.
the gottschalt becomes 3 centimeters thick, incl. the sliding back, if i remove the back and the lens and the loupe bellow. put the gottschalt at the bottom of the case, over it fits the contax with one lens attached, i can use in this way the space of one camera for taking two.
my experience is as more you take with you as faster the controls at airports .....
never have had problems with too extensive controls, but usually they check if the camera really works as a camera, so better to have a battery in the back and in the camera to switch it on one time.
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Hi Danijela,
I just read this whole thread, and it has been an interesting 'ride'. I hope you have learned from it, and others too.
I recently bought a Sinar e22 back, and was really drawn to this system because of the adapters. I love the fact that I could put the back on a Rollei 6008 one day, and something like a Hasselblad SWC the next. Not to mention various view camera options, or upcoming bodies like the Hy6. I feel quite free to choose my platform.
By comparison, a friend of mine bought a new P30 in Sweden with Mamiya mount and then wanted to change to a Hass H mount only two months later. He was charged around $4k to swap the mount, and now he is still stuck with one mount.
I shoot people mainly, so I can't be of much help with specialised architectural applications. However, I can add a few comments in reply to some of your posts:
The upcoming Hy6 is not a brand new body. The name is new but it is in effect a Rollei 6008 AF 'D'. It is important to realise that this camera is built on a proven platform and should not be regarded as a higher risk than a Hass H3, for example. For some reason people feel secure in the Hass H platform because many others are using it, but that is very flawed logic (think sheep!) You should also be aware that Hass H has some problems with the camera locking up. You need to remove the battery to reset the camera and continue shooting. You will find various threads on this. Also, there are many reports of the 50-110mm zoom lens falling apart. I am not trying to start a brand-war, but just pointing out that the assumption that Hass H is proven and totally reliable and that the Hy6 is a complete unknown is quite FALSE. The Hy6 will also offer a rotating back (great feature which I already enjoy on the 6008), faster lenses, faster flash sync, and a wider array of lenses and accessories, and of course you can start using the system today with a 6008 body, as I do.
As for the Capture One and Brumbaer tools, you are free to download them both and play with some raw files before buying. Both these tools are very simple to use. I had to email Thierry once about an undocumented feature (revealing hidden menus), but apart from that I felt comfortable about the workflow in one hour. I had been using Capture One Pro for years but the transition was pretty painless.
You are also free to use Brumbaer DNG converter and Lightroom, without using Capture Shop. Using a Macbook Pro I was taking about 5 seconds per raw file to convert to DNG. Pretty quick. Would be a little longer for the e75 files, of course.
It will be interesting to see what Exposure bring to the table. It was scheduled to be released by about now, so I hope it's not far away.
The suggestion by someone in this forum of a quick-release system for the Sinarback was inspired. Changing adapters now is doable in a few minutes but it makes me a little nervous. Perhaps Sinar could think about this, and take an already useful feature (back adaptibility) to the next level. We can then leave the adapters permanently on the camera bodies, and move the back around in seconds.
Good luck with your decision!
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Now you have me thinking, Graham, that I might have been too pragmatic in only asking Sinar, through Thierry, to consider quick-release mount adaptors. I say pragmatic, since to-date Sinar alone use adaptors at all.
So, Yair for Leaf, and whoever's lurking for PhaseOne: while your respective current designs don't provide for user-changeable, field-changeable mounts, how about incorporating them in new product?
-H.
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[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Anybody willing to share some info when traveling Air/etc. with LF Digital system?
Bags, tripods, tips to consider, etc.? would be highly appreciated.
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Regards
Danijela
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I like to travel rather light, so mostly I go with this.
Billingham 306 containing H2D 39 35mm 55-110mm zoom charger, cleaning kit, harddrive
G4 powerbook, manfrotto tripod. Everything handluggage
Marc
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Now you have me thinking, Graham, that I might have been too pragmatic in only asking Sinar, through Thierry, to consider quick-release mount adaptors. I say pragmatic, since to-date Sinar alone use adaptors at all.
So, Yair fpr Leaf, and whoever's lurking for PhaseOne: while your respective current designs don't provide for user-changeable, field-changeable mounts, how about incorporating them in new product?
-H.
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Euh. Not sure who had them first but Imacon has the same adapter plate idea (as well as stuff like 4 and 16 shot, where with Imacon this module can be bought seperately for some backs).
Quick releases would be an enormous asset. I certainly hope Phase as well as Leaf (particularly Leaf) will also come with an adapterplate system.
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For information:
Sinar had the adapter system first and since the begining, but it is true that Imacon has introduced it as well a few years ago (4, if I'm right).
Thierry
Euh. Not sure who had them first
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i have two amazon rimova alu hardcases in maximum allowed size for handbaggage.
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Hi Ranier,
Would you provide me with the Model# and perhaps the link? I would appreciate it.
using both i can take all my camera equipement with me which i need on locations,- i take all in handluggage which i could not replace, if the normal luggage would not arrive in the right airport ( happened one time to me ).
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I am not sure how much I can carry in weight but would certainly try my best to avoid delays and damages.
further i have a big loewe suitcase with wheels which i take for longer or big jobs with me, i remove here the internal separations and transport a calibrated 19" lacie monitor for hotel-room-editing. i use the loewe suitcase than on location for carryiong around all my equipement on location, hopefully my assistant does that
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I would highly appreciate if you could let me know the Model#, it will help. With regards to assistants, I usually hire locally. Actually, I rent the equipment/computers also, but now I'm thinking perhaps it would be more convenient and in the same regard cheaper to get a full time assistant and potentially hire extras if required.
if i want to travel with little equipement i use one of the rimovas and my laptop bag.
right now at this moment i am sitting in an airport in faro/portugal beeing logged in the airport internet....
i already have checked in and have in my hand-luggage:
1 crumpler bag with g4 laptop and three 100gb harddiscs and also one charged spare battery for having something to do meanwhile waiting.
1 rimova box contains today:
1 contax 645 with 4 lenses ( 35/45/80/140) and mounted e75 back.
1 gottschalt camera with sinar/rodenstock 28/35/60HR lenses and 45mm digital lens
1 e75 back
accessories: 10x10 grey transparent plexi/ 3 batteries for e75 / charger for them / batterie grip for contax / prism + waistlevel finder for contax / sliding back for gottschalt.
the gottschalt becomes 3 centimeters thick, incl. the sliding back, if i remove the back and the lens and the loupe bellow. put the gottschalt at the bottom of the case, over it fits the contax with one lens attached, i can use in this way the space of one camera for taking two.
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Any idea how heavy is your hand-luggage? Because with that much equipment I better put Schwarzenegger on hold. What about the insurance when traveling?
my experience is as more you take with you as faster the controls at airports .....
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Interesting approach.
never have had problems with too extensive controls, but usually they check if the camera really works as a camera, so better to have a battery in the back and in the camera to switch it on one time.
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Practical, I agree.
Regards
Danijela
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no idea about the exact type number. the rimovas are from their aluminium amazon serial, and they have exactly the allowed size for handluggage. i take them with app. 10 kilo weight with me if full.
the loewe bag is the biggest they have, with wheels.... pretty expensive.
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Hi Danijela,
I just read this whole thread, and it has been an interesting 'ride'. I hope you have learned from it, and others too.
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It certainly build my confidence making the decision about purchasing ALPA Cameras & LF Digital Lenses but as far as Digital Back is concerned, unfortunately it doesn’t lead anywhere but to severe layers of Typhlosis. So, I highly hope that will change.
I recently bought a Sinar e22 back, and was really drawn to this system because of the adapters. I love the fact that I could put the back on a Rollei 6008 one day, and something like a Hasselblad SWC the next. Not to mention various view camera options, or upcoming bodies like the Hy6. I feel quite free to choose my platform.
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Considering that you do Commercial work/Fashion/etc. I am a bit surprised that you purchased e22. However, I must admit, adapters are their good selling point, but as I said before, unless they change the gear and move forward in to the right direction this year 2007, who ever is at the top deciding will turn SINAR in to DINAR, worthless coin these days.
I hope SIANR keeps their eyes & ears open and let’s hope for the best.
By comparison, a friend of mine bought a new P30 in Sweden with Mamiya mount and then wanted to change to a Hass H mount only two months later. He was charged around $4k to swap the mount, and now he is still stuck with one mount.
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I’m surprised he didn’t get the deal they offered me which entitles me to change the mount during the period of 12 months. However, you can’t beat Sinar’s & Hasselblad’s convenience of interchangeable adapters and that alone is a huge +. Therefore, In my opinion Hasselblad along with Sinar are in the best position to balance the market gap between the performance & convenience and ultimately Sinar with multiple systems will lead the market. So far, I can only vote based on their convenience and that alone I’m afraid is not enough.
Will it happen? I’m not sure.
I shoot people mainly, so I can't be of much help with specialised architectural applications. However, I can add a few comments in reply to some of your posts:
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Your comments are more then welcome and highly appreciated.
The upcoming Hy6 is not a brand new body. The name is new but it is in effect a Rollei 6008 AF 'D'. It is important to realise that this camera is built on a proven platform and should not be regarded as a higher risk than a Hass H3, for example. For some reason people feel secure in the Hass H platform because many others are using it, but that is very flawed logic (think sheep!) You should also be aware that Hass H has some problems with the camera locking up. You need to remove the battery to reset the camera and continue shooting. You will find various threads on this. Also, there are many reports of the 50-110mm zoom lens falling apart.
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I am in favor of Rollei and therefore have high hopes for Hy6. Having said that, I simply don’t have any religious interest comparing products like H1/H2/H3 and product like Hy6 that didn’t surf yet.
We can certainly compare Rollei vs. Hasselblad/Mamiya, other then that, let’s wait a while and see what happens.
I am not trying to start a brand-war, but just pointing out that the assumption that Hass H is proven and totally reliable and that the Hy6 is a complete unknown is quite FALSE.
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Hasselblad is of course not proven, but I can’t deny that it is getting better and better. Hy6 is not unknown you are right, but more among the enthusiasts then anywhere else. Majority of working photographers couldn’t care less and I’ll believe that until it gets in action. The question is, will it be proven when it gets on the street? Certainly not. So, how far away is really Hy6 and how good is the Hasselblad/Mamiya Now, Today, This Very Hour? Of course there will always be space for improvement, regardless of platform/model we decide to purchase.
The Hy6 will also offer a rotating back (great feature which I already enjoy on the 6008), faster lenses, faster flash sync, and a wider array of lenses and accessories, and of course you can start using the system today with a 6008 body, as I do.
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I don’t think anybody can complain in that regard. Remember, I like Rollei and with ALPA Cameras I can use their lenses, their Hy6 would be IDEAL as a MF AF platform. So basically, I can’t ask for more. However, the fact remains Hy6 is not to surf next week or next month, etc.
So, let’s wait and see what happens and of course, hope for the BEST.
[span style=\'font-size:13pt;line-height:100%\']To be continued
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Regards
Danijela
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As for the Capture One and Brumbaer tools, you are free to download them both and play with some raw files before buying. Both these tools are very simple to use. I had to email Thierry once about an undocumented feature (revealing hidden menus), but apart from that I felt comfortable about the workflow in one hour. I had been using Capture One Pro for years but the transition was pretty painless.
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Yes, I agree. Ranier and Thierry are very helpful and although Thierry never failed to deliver, I have to give the edge to Ranier, he basically provided requested details in no time.
You are also free to use Brumbaer DNG converter and Lightroom, without using Capture Shop. Using a Macbook Pro I was taking about 5 seconds per raw file to convert to DNG. Pretty quick. Would be a little longer for the e75 files, of course.
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That’s a relief.
It will be interesting to see what Exposure bring to the table. It was scheduled to be released by about now, so I hope it's not far away.
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Yes, I was particularly interested if Brumbear tools are part of Exposure or not?
The suggestion by someone in this forum of a quick-release system for the Sinarback was inspired. Changing adapters now is doable in a few minutes but it makes me a little nervous. Perhaps Sinar could think about this, and take an already useful feature (back adaptibility) to the next level. We can then leave the adapters permanently on the camera bodies, and move the back around in seconds.
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An excellent idea but will Sinar open their eyes & ears and more importantly, will they change the gear and move forward?
Good luck with your decision!
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Thank you,
PS: Deciding on Digital Back is far more difficult then I thought.
Regards
Danijela
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... but as I said before, unless they change the gear and move forward in to the right direction this year 2007, who ever is at the top deciding will turn SINAR in to DINAR, worthless coin these days.
Regards
Danijela
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hi Danijela,
With all due respect, I have to ask you why you keep on saying and repeating the same over and over again: what makes you have such a bad opinion about Sinar and in which way does Sinar not move in the right direction, for you?
I bet if you would vist the factory and speak with its "top deciding" you would change your mind.
Best regards,
Thierry
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Dear Danijela,
what could I improve to be at the same edge as Rainer?
I believe I have answered each and any single of your questions addressed to myself, as well as your PM. If I have forgotten something, kindly let me know and I shall answer you. If I was not fast eough, kindly accept my apology, but I am here because I am passionated by photography, not because being asked by Sinar, thus my work not allows me to be 7/7 & 24/24 online answering and checking. Kindly let me know.
Brumbaer Tools and Exposure: yes, this will be part of it, of course.
Thanks and best regards,
Thierry
Yes, I agree. Ranier and Thierry are very helpful and although Thierry never failed to deliver, I have to give the edge to Ranier, he basically provided requested details in no time.
That’s a relief.
Yes, I was particularly interested if Brumbear tools are part of Exposure or not?
An excellent idea but will Sinar open their eyes & ears and more importantly, will they change the gear and move forward?
Thank you,
PS: Deciding on Digital Back is far more difficult then I thought.
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
Although Hasselblad has promoted the H3D since Photokina '06, it starts to hit the streets only NOW, slowly and NOT in all countries.
You will see the Sinar Hy6 actively promoted when it will be available, not before. But this won't be so far away, since I have informed here and since before Christmas that we shall be ready shipping the first units by June. the "0-Series" with my demo unit is due to me end of March/begin of April. It would not be serious, IMO, to promote something interested photographers cannot see and hold in their hand: it has proven to be wrong to do so.
Yes, as Foto-Z put it rightly, the Hy6 builts-up on the 6008 and 6008 AF, and is fully compatible (lenses and accessories). Those wishing to work now have the 6008 AF, and will be able to use lenses and accessories on the Hy6, if they wish so. Is this possible with other systems? IMO the Hy6 is as proven a camera as the H3D when hitting the streets, not more but also not less.
Best regards,
Thiery
I am in favor of Rollei and therefore have high hopes for Hy6. Having said that, I simply don’t have any religious interest comparing products like H1/H2/H3 and product like Hy6 that didn’t surf yet.
We can certainly compare Rollei vs. Hasselblad/Mamiya, other then that, let’s wait a while and see what happens.
Hasselblad is of course not proven, but I can’t deny that it is getting better and better. Hy6 is not unknown you are right, but more among the enthusiasts then anywhere else. Majority of working photographers couldn’t care less and I’ll believe that until it gets in action. The question is, will it be proven when it gets on the street? Certainly not. So, how far away is really Hy6 and how good is the Hasselblad/Mamiya Now, Today, This Very Hour? Of course there will always be space for improvement, regardless of platform/model we decide to purchase.
I don’t think anybody can complain in that regard. Remember, I like Rollei and with ALPA Cameras I can use their lenses, their Hy6 would be IDEAL as a MF AF platform. So basically, I can’t ask for more. However, the fact remains Hy6 is not to surf next week or next month, etc.
So, let’s wait and see what happens and of course, hope for the BEST.
[span style=\'font-size:13pt;line-height:100%\']To be continued
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Regards
Danijela
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Euh. Not sure who had them first but Imacon has the same adapter plate idea (as well as stuff like 4 and 16 shot, where with Imacon this module can be bought seperately for some backs).
Quick releases would be an enormous asset. I certainly hope Phase as well as Leaf (particularly Leaf) will also come with an adapterplate system.
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Oops. I'm glad you pointed out my oversight.
I extend the question to whomever's lurking here for Hasselblad: how about going to quick-release adaptors?
-H.
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Dear Danijela,
Although Hasselblad has promoted the H3D since Photokina '06, it starts to hit the streets only NOW, slowly and NOT in all countries.
You will see the Sinar Hy6 actively promoted when it will be available, not before. But this won't be so far away, since I have informed here and since before Christmas that we shall be ready shipping the first units by June. the "0-Series" with my demo unit is due to me end of March/begin of April. It would not be serious, IMO, to promote something interested photographers cannot see and hold in their hand: it has proven to be wrong to do so.
Yes, as Foto-Z put it rightly, the Hy6 builts-up on the 6008 and 6008 AF, and is fully compatible (lenses and accessories). Those wishing to work now have the 6008 AF, and will be able to use lenses and accessories on the Hy6, if they wish so. Is this possible with other systems? IMO the Hy6 is as proven a camera as the H3D when hitting the streets, not more but also not less.
Best regards,
Thiery
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Thierry:
In the USA, at least, that is not quite accurate your statement on H3D availability. We have been ordering and selling H3D's for over 3 months now, and have not experienced any particular delays.
But to be sure, in my experience Sinar has generally announced and shipped product that is ready to go fairly simultaneously. Although I did have a customer wait months last year for a 120mm lens for their Sinar M. But that was an exception. I can say that Sinar generally doesn't announce false ship dates.
And we certainly hope that the Hy6 is as ready to go as the H3D currently is. Hasselblad stumbled with their integration path from H1D to H3D. However, in our experience they now have a truly capable product that performs very well. What many people also forget about the H3D, is that Hasselblad CF lenses can also be used on the H3D with the CF Adapter, so yes, it is possible to use additional lenses, as the Hy6 will from the 6008 lineage.
We would not categorize the Hy6 as "proven" however until it actually hits the streets and we see how it does. As an authorized Sinar dealer (for over 20 years), we certainly anticipate it and we hope that it does indeed arrive hitting on all cylinders. We look forward to it.
Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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hi Danijela,
With all due respect, I have to ask you why you keep on saying and repeating the same over and over again:
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If you respect the truth, then there is no other more honest way to put it, possible altered versions are considered but the conversation will last longer I’m sure and it will turn in to never ending discussion/cliché, which as far as I am concerned is counterproductive.
what makes you have such a bad opinion about Sinar
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If you replace in your question two words [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']bad opinion[/span] with one [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']concerns[/span], you will get close to my answer.
and in which way does Sinar not move in the right direction, for you?
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Answer your self few simple questions: What is SINARS most successful selling product.
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Cameras?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Lenses?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Digital Backs?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/etc.?
Ask your self, how would you surpass and at least in this instance compare your,
Annual turnover with regards to Hasselblad?
Annual turnover with regards to Mamiya?
Annual turnover with regards to Phase?
Annual turnover with regards to Leaf?
Annual turnover with regards to etc.?
The right direction for improvement that I am talking about becomes a little more apparent, isn’t it?
Now, answer your self a simple question: What is SINARS future most successful selling product?
Now, based on the numbers above, my answer becomes transparent and more evident. As I always say, [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Let’s hope for the best![/span] I hope it’s OK if I repeat myself in that regard.
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']To be continued…[/span] in time of the official arrival of Hy6
I bet if you would vist the factory and speak with its "top deciding" you would change your mind.
Best regards,
Thierry
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I would love to visit SINAR Factory.
Regards
Danijela
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Alright Steve,
thanks for the precisions about H3D delivery. In this case it seems to be different in my region here in Asia: there are still many countries where it still doesn't deliver yet, or jsu starting slowly.
Thanks for your experience and statement about Sinar's product delivery accuracy: we try in the limit of the possible not to give wrong expectations.
Best regards,
Thierry
Thierry:
In the USA, at least, that is not quite accurate your statement on H3D availability. We have been ordering and selling H3D's for over 3 months now, and have not experienced any particular delays.
But to be sure, in my experience Sinar has generally announced and shipped product that is ready to go fairly simultaneously. Although I did have a customer wait months last year for a 120mm lens for their Sinar M. But that was an exception. I can say that Sinar generally doesn't announce false ship dates.
And we certainly hope that the Hy6 is as ready to go as the H3D currently is. Hasselblad stumbled with their integration path from H1D to H3D. However, in our experience they now have a truly capable product that performs very well. What many people also forget about the H3D, is that Hasselblad CF lenses can also be used on the H3D with the CF Adapter, so yes, it is possible to use additional lenses, as the Hy6 will from the 6008 lineage.
We would not categorize the Hy6 as "proven" however until it actually hits the streets and we see how it does. As an authorized Sinar dealer (for over 20 years), we certainly anticipate it and we hope that it does indeed arrive hitting on all cylinders. We look forward to it.
Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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Alright Danijela, got your CONCERNS. Everything is fine and OK.
You are certainly right and be sure that these are questions we have put on the table long ago, when we jumped into the digital age, 15 years ago, and are still dealing with on a daily basis: it is the essence of survival of a serious company to deal with such constantly.
Do not hesitate to visit us, should you be nearby Switzerland.
All the best,
Thierry
If you respect the truth, then there is no other more honest way to put it, possible altered versions are considered but the conversation will last longer I’m sure and it will turn in to never ending discussion/cliché, which as far as I am concerned is counterproductive.
If you replace in your question two words [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']bad opinion[/span] with one [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']concerns[/span], you will get close to my answer.
Answer your self few simple questions: What is SINARS most successful selling product.
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Cameras?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Lenses?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Digital Backs?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/etc.?
Ask your self, how would you surpass and at least in this instance compare your,
Annual turnover with regards to Hasselblad?
Annual turnover with regards to Mamiya?
Annual turnover with regards to Phase?
Annual turnover with regards to Leaf?
Annual turnover with regards to etc.?
The right direction for improvement that I am talking about becomes a little more apparent, isn’t it?
Now, answer your self a simple question: What is SINARS future most successful selling product?
Now, based on the numbers above, my answer becomes transparent and more evident. As I always say, [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Let’s hope for the best![/span] I hope it’s OK if I repeat myself in that regard.
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']To be continued…[/span] in time of the official arrival of Hy6
I would love to visit SINAR Factory.
Regards
Danijela
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But to be sure, in my experience Sinar has generally announced and shipped product that is ready to go fairly simultaneously. Although I did have a customer wait months last year for a 120mm lens for their Sinar M. But that was an exception. I can say that Sinar generally doesn't announce false ship dates.
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Another VOTE!
[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Way to go SINAR!!![/span]
And we certainly hope that the Hy6 is as ready to go as the H3D currently is. Hasselblad stumbled with their integration path from H1D to H3D. However, in our experience they now have a truly capable product that performs very well. What many people also forget about the H3D, is that Hasselblad CF lenses can also be used on the H3D with the CF Adapter, so yes, it is possible to use additional lenses, as the Hy6 will from the 6008 lineage.
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I didn’t think of that, but it’s nice to hear it is available.
We would not categorize the Hy6 as "proven" however until it actually hits the streets and we see how it does. As an authorized Sinar dealer (for over 20 years), we certainly anticipate it and we hope that it does indeed arrive hitting on all cylinders. We look forward to it.
Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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Wouldn’t that be something. That is exactly how I feel, perhaps I have high hopes for Hy6 because of the integration abilities, so I’m concerned a bit.
ALPA » Hy6 » Beautiful Lenses, I can’t go wrong with that.
Regards
Danijela
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Alright Danijela, got your CONCERNS. Everything is fine and OK.
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This is where we disagree, but we will wait and see what happens and when it happens.
You are certainly right and be sure that these are questions we have put on the table long ago, when we jumped into the digital age, 15 years ago, and are still dealing with on a daily basis: it is the essence of survival of a serious company to deal with such constantly.
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That is exactly my concern. If SINAR uses the same Logic and the same Tempo that they used over a period of 15years, my question is, how would the next 15y look? my intuition tells me, not bright enough.
Do not hesitate to visit us, should you be nearby Switzerland.
All the best,
Thierry
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I will be in Switzerland during the month of May.
Regards
Danijela
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Anybody using » [span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']Arca-Swiss C1 Cube Geared Head [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']with Arca-Type Flip-Lock Quick Release[/span][/span][span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']?[/span]
Apart from the obvious one `Expensive` All critiques are welcome !!!
Regards
Danijela
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D.
I have been using the Arca C1 Cube for a bout 2 years now. Great asset, makes fast work of setting up and is very flexible. One thing did was remove the quick release lever clamp and replace it with a Really Right Suff screw style clamp. The lever clamp is now much more secure. I did this after almost losing my camera and back when the clamp lever failed to positively snap into the locked position.
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If you respect the truth, then there is no other more honest way to put it, possible altered versions are considered but the conversation will last longer I’m sure and it will turn in to never ending discussion/cliché, which as far as I am concerned is counterproductive.
If you replace in your question two words [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']bad opinion[/span] with one [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']concerns[/span], you will get close to my answer.
Answer your self few simple questions: What is SINARS most successful selling product.
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Cameras?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Lenses?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/Digital Backs?
Annual turn over of Sinar products/etc.?
Ask your self, how would you surpass and at least in this instance compare your,
Annual turnover with regards to Hasselblad?
Annual turnover with regards to Mamiya?
Annual turnover with regards to Phase?
Annual turnover with regards to Leaf?
Annual turnover with regards to etc.?
The right direction for improvement that I am talking about becomes a little more apparent, isn’t it?
Now, answer your self a simple question: What is SINARS future most successful selling product?
Now, based on the numbers above, my answer becomes transparent and more evident. As I always say, [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Let’s hope for the best![/span] I hope it’s OK if I repeat myself in that regard.
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']To be continued…[/span] in time of the official arrival of Hy6
I would love to visit SINAR Factory.
Regards
Danijela
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You are not making a lot of sense with these comparisons. Annual turnover just one but certainly not the best indication of a companies well being. If you would have a look at net profit or profitability ratio it would be a different story.
Furthermore when this would be really important to you, there is only one company you should buy your photographic products from:
[span style=\'font-size:30pt;line-height:100%\']CANON[/span]
I have seen you grow more sceptical or concerned towards Sinar during this thread but sofar I have not heard one valid good argument. When you do have concerns other than turnover comparisons I would love to hear them as well and at least you will give Thierry the possibility to address these concerns.
Concerns about turnover, profitability, dividend, ROI, etc.. should be vented on the annual shareholders meeting or during analist updates.
I do not believe the Sinar products suffer, if they do, because of pending insolvability.
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You are not making a lot of sense with these comparisons.
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It is rather obvious that my perception with regards to the present situation makes a lot of sense. However, the truth is never easy to digest. So in that regard, I can’t possibly think that everybody will agree, right?
Annual turnover just one but certainly not the best indication of a companies well being.
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I agree, but ask your accountant if it is related at all, and respectfully see who doesn’t make sense here.
If you would have a look at net profit or profitability ratio it would be a different story.
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Perhaps, but that doesn’t change the fact of the current scenario, that’s all.
Furthermore when this would be really important to you, there is only one company you should buy your photographic products from:
[span style=\'font-size:17pt;line-height:100%\']CANON[/span]
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Yes, you are right and for your information, I do own CANON.
However, to put it politely, we are talking here about the MF with LF Digital Lenses etc. As far as I know, Canon didn’t start shipping MF with LF digital Lenses, but to give you benefit of the doubt, I will try to pretend that you make loads of sense down the road, which is to say perhaps in future Canon may have a solution to our concerns.
I have seen you grow more sceptical or concerned towards Sinar during this thread but sofar I have not heard one valid good argument.
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[span style=\'font-size:10pt;line-height:100%\']You mean, not a single one that you would like to agree/hear.[/span]
Some individuals need more time, some need less. Pure nature if you ask me, nothing to worry about, or is there a rule that fits all?
On the same note, are we allowed to consider the matter of our preference?
When you do have concerns other than turnover comparisons I would love to hear them as well and at least you will give Thierry the possibility to address these concerns.
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Am I under impression that you in fact speak with enough authority like you truly care to help. Thierry has already been helpful as many others have, on several matters. However, I do believe that this thread is not about the SINAR alone or am I wrong in saying that?
Concerns about turnover, profitability, dividend, ROI, etc.. should be vented on the annual shareholders meeting or during analist updates
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I agree, perhaps you would like to bring the details forward when available.
I do not believe the Sinar products suffer, if they do, because of pending insolvability.
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You are more then welcome to believe in your interests. I hope you understand that you can’t deny me the same privilege and for your information, you are talking here with the future owner of SINAR Cameras.
Regards
Danijela
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It is rather obvious that my perception with regards to the present situation makes a lot of sense. However, the truth is never easy to digest. So in that regard,
However, to put it politely, we are talking here about the MF with LF Digital Lenses etc. As far as I know, Canon didn’t start shipping MF with LF digital Lenses, but to give you benefit of the doubt, I will try to pretend that you make loads of sense down the road, which is to say perhaps in future Canon may have a solution to our concerns.
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Apparently you have patented the truth. Maybe you can be so generous as to share it somewhat with us mere mortals. I am not sure what truth you are talking about and why you have to put it underlined in bold and a larger font?
It also looks like you do agree there is more than annual turnover since you suddenly also make a distinction on who produces what.
None of your text is really polite but I will try not to be offended by that. If you feel that there are concerns regarding a MF back than I would love to read them but I have not read it besides the annual turnover thing which indeed I believe to be a non-issue at this moment (who knows what the future brings even companies perceived a lot more stable have gone down). Just point or link me to the phrases I must have overread or otherwise missed.
Are you saying/implying you believe Sinar products are suffering from cashflow crunch or insolvability?
I truly do not care whether you claim to be the future owner of Sinar or Santa Claus.
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Apparently you have patented the truth.
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You have my attention.
Maybe you can be so generous as to share it somewhat with us mere mortals.
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Cliché, but considering your effort, you deserve Standing Ovation for this one!!!
I am not sure what truth you are talking about and why you have to put it underlined in bold and a larger font?
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I guess to you, that will always remain a mystery. » It is underlined in bold, but not in large font, no need to exaggerate.
It also looks like you do agree there is more than annual turnover since you suddenly also make a distinction on who produces what.
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Of course I agree. However, a distinction was not made suddenly as you claim, I just didn’t find them to be less important, but rather short-cut & easy to comprehend without thoroughly going through a number of different aspects.
None of your text is really polite but I will try not to be offended by that.
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Am I to believe I found you offended by my disagreements and react further with respect that you deserve better? I don’t think so.
If you feel that there are concerns regarding a MF back than I would love to read them but I have not read it besides the annual turnover thing which indeed I believe to be a non-issue at this moment (who knows what the future brings even companies perceived a lot more stable have gone down). Just point or link me to the phrases I must have overread or otherwise missed.
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My concerns are not only & especially regarded towards MF back. However, they are approached with enough attention by Rainer, Thierry an many others, so if you have failed to see them, read again, otherwise whatever you decide is just fine by me.
Are you saying/implying you believe Sinar products are suffering from cashflow crunch or insolvability?
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I will let you figure that one on your own, or perhaps don’t waste time thinking, ask somebody you are more likely to trust.
I truly do not care whether you claim to be the future owner of Sinar or Santa Claus.
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I know you don’t care, should I be impressed?
May I encourage you for the future reference, regardless of how devoted or help worthy you believe to be, if we are to talk further using the same frequency I suggest we use PM. and leave this thread more productive.
Your assistance is highly valued and appreciated.
Regards
Danijela
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Lets calm down. A lot of the members remember what had happened when some members of the RG MF forum lost temper.
Regards,
Yevgeny
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Lets calm down. A lot of the members remember what had happened when some members of the RG MF forum lost temper.
Regards,
Yevgeny
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Hi Yevgeny,
[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']I totally agree.[/span]
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela, I must confess that I don't understand some of your recent posts.
However, if you have genuine concerns about Sinar's profitability, please bear in mind that they are basically owned (51% shareholding) by Jenoptik which is a very large and profitable public company, with a market capitalisation of over half a billion dollars, sales of over 2 billion dollars and over 10,000 employees.
You should not have any concerns about Sinar's financial stability.
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Danijela, I must confess that I don't understand some of your recent posts.
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I must admit, it is rather debatable issue. However, considering your recent investment in SINAR DB I can’t expect you to understand, perhaps I would feel the same. We will see when I decide, but I promise you, I will not religiously talk about attributes which ever back I decide to purchase, much less about the product that didn't surf yet. Now, will that make me less genuine to Hasselblad/Phase/Leaf/Sinar I guess that is up to you guys to decide or not? I hope you find a little humor just before the end of this sentence, otherwise use PM .
However, if you have genuine concerns about Sinar's profitability, please bear in mind that they are basically owned (51% shareholding) by Jenoptik which is a very large and profitable public company, with a market capitalisation of over half a billion dollars, sales of over 2 billion dollars and over 10,000 employees.
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Some of you are shifting and labeling my concerns primarily towards financial stability, and if you read the thread you will find it not to be true at all. This is exactly where counterproductive communication begins, and personally I’m not looking forward to it.
You should not have any concerns about Sinar's financial stability.
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Of course not.
Regards
Danijela
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D.
I have been using the Arca C1 Cube for a bout 2 years now. Great asset, makes fast work of setting up and is very flexible. One thing did was remove the quick release lever clamp and replace it with a Really Right Suff screw style clamp.
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Hi Michael K,
Was the quick release lever clamp the one that malfunctioned by Really Right Stuff or
was it the original one by Arca Swiss?
The lever clamp is now much more secure. I did this after almost losing my camera and back when the clamp lever failed to positively snap into the locked position.
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» Replacing it with a Really Right Stuff screw style clamp » Is the RRS screw style clamp something I have to let RRS know and custom order it to fit the Arca C1 Cube, or is the standard RRS screw style clamp going to fit without any alteration.
Wich one? Link [a href=\"http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/clamps/index.html]http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/clamps/index.html[/url]
One more question: Did you personally install the RRS screw style clamp on C1 Cube, or did you have to send the C1 Cube to RRS for them to install it?
Regards
Danijela
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One more question:
Impossible :>))
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Impossible :>))
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I appreciate your honesty, [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Very Civil of you[/span]
For similar contribution, forward your caring efforts using PM,Your effort is highly valued and appreciated, Thank you.
PS: Just for the record, was I asking you?
Regards
Danijela
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Impossible :>))
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Impossible :>))
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[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']You must be proud of your Mentor[/span]
True Patriot
For similar contribution, forward your caring efforts using PM,Your effort is highly valued and appreciated, Thank you.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Michael K,
Was the quick release lever clamp the one that malfunctioned by Really Right Stuff or
was it the original one by Arca Swiss?
» Replacing it with a Really Right Stuff screw style clamp » Is the RRS screw style clamp something I have to let RRS know and custom order it to fit the Arca C1 Cube, or is the standard RRS screw style clamp going to fit without any alteration.
Wich one? Link http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/clamps/index.html (http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/clamps/index.html)
One more question: Did you personally install the RRS screw style clamp on C1 Cube, or did you have to send the C1 Cube to RRS for them to install it?
Regards
Danijela
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The clamp that failed was the Arca clamp that came with the C1. Subsequently I had it replaced by Arca, their customer service is excellnt, but I lost confidence in it's ability to securely hold a $30K camera.
There are two RRS clamps available. Metric and Imperial. Arca uses a metric screw so choose the RRS Clamp with the metric screw.
B2 Pro II with Metric 6 flat head screw,
(for all other heads)
Price: $86
Yes, I personally installed the new clamp. Very easy, all you need is a metric socket wrench and desire. ;-)
Hope this helps.
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The clamp that failed was the Arca clamp that came with the C1. Subsequently I had it replaced by Arca, their customer service is excellnt, but I lost confidence in it's ability to securely hold a $30K camera.
There are two RRS clamps available. Metric and Imperial. Arca uses a metric screw so choose the RRS Clamp with the metric screw.
B2 Pro II with Metric 6 flat head screw,
(for all other heads)
Price: $86
Yes, I personally installed the new clamp. Very easy, all you need is a metric socket wrench and desire. ;-)
Hope this helps.
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Hi Michael K.
It does, thanks for the info. I have ordered today Arca C1 Cube, it will be delivered in two weeks, that sounds a little long but I will wait. B2 Pro II with Metric 6 flat head screw is no problem it arrives in two days.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela:
I will soon post some before and after HC28mm images for you.
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Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']PPR DIGITAL[/span][/span]
I appreciate that. Would it be possiblle along with HC28mm to test the HC50mm also?
I will also post our website under my name, although our website is currently a wreck, in my opinion. It is being completely re-done, and that process will likely take about a month or two. In the meantime, bear with us.
Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com
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Thank you. I'm sure it will help others too.
Regards
Danijela
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I have the arca cube as well and I agree with your concern about the clamp. It is the most horrible design I have ever seen. I hate it. I like your idea of removing and replacing with the RRS screw clamp. It is a crime that such an expensive product have such a faulty attachment clamp. HOwever, I really like your solution. I am going to do the same...
Overall though the cube is a great product.
D.
I have been using the Arca C1 Cube for a bout 2 years now. Great asset, makes fast work of setting up and is very flexible. One thing did was remove the quick release lever clamp and replace it with a Really Right Suff screw style clamp. The lever clamp is now much more secure. I did this after almost losing my camera and back when the clamp lever failed to positively snap into the locked position.
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Arca Swiss: Arca just turn their delivery of two weeks in to 4 weeks, anybody experiencing substantial delays with Arca?
Really right stuff: Excellent Service, they said it will be delivered in two days and it's actually here.
Rodenstock 28HR: I am not sure what to say, I guess I was promised to have one for testing in hope that I will like the 24XL and forget to bother further with 28HR.
So, is there anybody in New York, California/L.A. using 28HR or having one on stock, it would help if it's in ALPA mount, but if not, as long as we can test it, I'm fine.
I would be happy to pay for it, if necessary.
Regards
Danijela